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[quote=BDBohnzie;977690]Thanks for the correction. I will still argue that if a team is willing to trade two 2nd rounders for a 4th round pick, that it could be too rich to turn down.[/quote]

Cousins has shown why he was projected to be a 2nd round pick. I think the Redskins may be able to get a great deal for him. If Philly can get a 1st rounder for a bum like Kevin Kolb, then the Redskins can get a nice draft pick for Cousins.

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This team has way too many needs to hang onto 2 young starting QBs. I wouldn not hesitate to ship Cousins to the Jets for Revis and a 2nd rounder. We need all of the youth on defense we can get, especially a stud middle linebacker to take over for fletcher. Safety and cornerback is a bigger need at this point. If we don't make the playoffs, it will be due to our defense this year which needs serious attention and considering the lost cap money we won't be able to do much in free agency so draft picks are golden.

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[quote=NC_Skins;977683]I would not pay a CB 15 mil/yr which is exactly the type of money he's wanting in a extension. Add that to the fact he just tore a ACL and you can forget it.[/quote]

For real homes!!! WTF

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Having a good backup isn't a luxury, it's practically a requirement these days. Didn't we just see the value of that last week?

I wouldn't consider moving Cousins until he's coming up on his last year here under contract. Until then, let's enjoy having a quality backup QB.

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[quote=Mattyk;977773]Having a good backup isn't a luxury, it's practically a requirement these days. Didn't we just see the value of that last week?

I wouldn't consider moving Cousins until he's coming up on his last year here under contract. Until then, let's enjoy having a quality backup QB.[/quote]

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

For some reason, i had thought that under the new CBA, 4th-7th round picks signed 3 year contracts, but the standard is 4 years for all drafted players. So we can keep Cousins for the next 2 seasons and trade him before the 2015 season. I would recommend drafting another QB in 2014 to be third string to learn from RGIII/cousins before potentially stepping into the primary backup role in 2015.

Of course, the 2013 offseason is somewhat unique. There are no really good QBs in the draft and, like always, lots of NFL teams needing a quarterback. Its possible a team with a GM/coach on the hotseat and desperate for a QB would offer a 1st rounder. It would be very foolish of them to do so for Cousins, but it would be hard to turn down a first.

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No trade unless the offer is insane - I mean, replacement of all we lost for Griffin insane.

He is just too valuable in his current role given Griffin's fearlessness and the state of our offensive line.

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Some people wonder why the Skins were so bad for so long. Often the answer wasn't the high priced players that were brought in, but more so because the value of quality backups was ignored. A fan's eye view sees the top 22, maybe one or two special teamers or value added players and wants to go out and get the best at each position. That is what Danny, and VC did. A fan's eye view sees quality backups and thinks "Trade for a starter or high pick", a winning team's view sees backups as potential starters first (next man up) and trade value only at the backside of his contract (or when an "amazing" offer is thrown up).

From the looks of it, we can go 2-3 years with a very dynamic duo at qb, and use 2-7th rounds picks to fill depth and some starting positions.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;977807]Some people wonder why the Skins were so bad for so long. Often the answer wasn't the high priced players that were brought in, but more so because the value of quality backups was ignored. A fan's eye view sees the top 22, maybe one or two special teamers or value added players and wants to go out and get the best at each position. That is what Danny, and VC did. A fan's eye view sees quality backups and thinks "Trade for a starter or high pick", a winning team's view sees backups as potential starters first (next man up) and trade value only at the backside of his contract (or when an "amazing" offer is thrown up).

From the looks of it, we can go 2-3 years with a very dynamic duo at qb, and use 2-7th rounds picks to fill depth and some starting positions.[/quote]

I don't think that the lack of a 1st round pick the next two years is as damaging as some people think. I would imagine a disproportionate amount of a teams resources is used evaluating players in the first round. what i mean by that is, teams will scout the hell out of the top of the draft class, since the team will be devoting so much to that player in terms of salary/cap/draft value. However, you only really get a shot at one player with a first round grade. Beyond the first round, teams draft grades vary. Whereas a 1st rounder is pretty much garaunteed to be picked within a range of 5-10 spots, the range that players after that could be picked could vary from team to team by 2-3 ROUNDS. If you've got a pick in the first round, you might like alot of guys, but theres only 5 or so that you can justify taking at that spot. However, in the later rounds, you've really got to make sure that you pick guys at the right spots. You might pass on a guy thinking you can get him with your next pick, but then someone swoops him up.

I guess what i'm getting to with all that rambling is this - not having a 1st round pick frees up our scouting department to spend their time evaulating the non-marquee players to look for "hidden gems." Not having the first round pick will force them pay closer attention to how they grade these players in relation to eachother, making it less like that we wiff on some guys and get a bust. I think we'll really get some really good players out of the 2013 draft. I just wish we didnt have that damn cap penalty so we could do more in free agency.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;977816]I don't think that the lack of a 1st round pick the next two years is as damaging as some people think. I would imagine a disproportionate amount of a teams resources is used evaluating players in the first round. what i mean by that is, teams will scout the hell out of the top of the draft class, since the team will be devoting so much to that player in terms of salary/cap/draft value. However, you only really get a shot at one player with a first round grade. Beyond the first round, teams draft grades vary. Whereas a 1st rounder is pretty much garaunteed to be picked within a range of 5-10 spots, the range that players after that could be picked could vary from team to team by 2-3 ROUNDS. If you've got a pick in the first round, you might like alot of guys, but theres only 5 or so that you can justify taking at that spot. However, in the later rounds, you've really got to make sure that you pick guys at the right spots. You might pass on a guy thinking you can get him with your next pick, but then someone swoops him up.

I guess what i'm getting to with all that rambling is this - not having a 1st round pick frees up our scouting department to spend their time evaulating the non-marquee players to look for "hidden gems." Not having the first round pick will force them pay closer attention to how they grade these players in relation to eachother, making it less like that we wiff on some guys and get a bust. I think we'll really get some really good players out of the 2013 draft. I just wish we didnt have that damn cap penalty so we could do more in free agency.[/quote]
I think that is a really good point. I hope we make the most of the picks we have, and maneuver forward and backward as picks allow.

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Yeah, I mean from 1970-1990 we had 3 first round draft picks total...and we didn't do too bad

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[quote=SmootSmack;977834]Yeah, I mean from 1970-1990 we had 3 first round draft picks total...and we didn't do too bad[/quote]

Most of that was before my time....How on earth did that happen?

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[quote=milellie111;977732]This team has way too many needs to hang onto 2 young starting QBs. I wouldn not hesitate to ship Cousins to the Jets for Revis and a 2nd rounder. We need all of the youth on defense we can get, especially [B]a stud middle linebacker[/B] to take over for fletcher. [B]Safety and cornerback[/B] is a bigger need at this point. If we don't make the playoffs, it will be due to our defense this year which needs serious attention and considering the lost cap money we won't be able to do much in free agency so draft picks are golden.[/quote]

We can get all of those things in the off season with out trading Cousins. We have talented S Tanard Jackson, S Brandon Meriweather, and promising young S Jordan Benstein all coming back next year. As well as Orakpo and LB Keenan Robinson coming back. Adam Carriker is also coming back. LB Rob Jackson has stepped up in place of Orakpo potentially making Orakpo trade bait. Cb's rookie Richard Crawford, Chase Minnifield and Cedric Griffin. We are not sisters of the poor on defense where we have to make a desperation trade of Cousins right now. Plus there is Free agency and renegotiation of current deals to free up cap space. I am of the glass half full.

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The Jets need a new Head Coach more than anything else.

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[quote=milellie111;977732]This team has way too many needs to hang onto 2 young starting QBs. I wouldn not hesitate to ship Cousins to the Jets for Revis and a 2nd rounder. We need all of the youth on defense we can get, especially a stud middle linebacker to take over for fletcher. Safety and cornerback is a bigger need at this point. If we don't make the playoffs, it will be due to our defense this year which needs serious attention and considering the lost cap money we won't be able to do much in free agency so draft picks are golden.[/quote]

Is that you, Vinny?

Because of injury, Revis's best days are behind him. We don't want Revis. Might as well bring in Bruce Smith.

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[quote=Lotus;977859]Is that you, Vinny?

Because of injury, Revis's best days are behind him. We don't want Revis. Might as well bring in Bruce Smith.[/quote]

ummmm . . . disagree . . . Revis is only 27 years old . . . after he is back from his ACL, he will still be one of the best CB's in the NFL . . . don't forget, RGIII has already come back from the same injury . . . does he look slow?? . . . i would take (and the offer will never happen anyway) Revis and a 2nd any day of the week for Cousins . . . and i love me some Cousins (and love having a good backup QB) . . . but Revis is a STUD at a position we desperately need help . . .

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The Jets aren't trading Revis for Cousins. Just stop.

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[quote=Mattyk;977871]The Jets aren't trading Revis for Cousins. Just stop.[/quote]

this i agree with :)

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I think in a QB league the Skins are at a huge advantage having 2 young QBs who can play. The old Skins would have traded Cousins, the new Skins arent that stupid.

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[quote=irish;977879]I think in a QB league the Skins are at a huge advantage having 2 young QBs who can play. The old Skins would have traded Cousins, the new Skins arent that stupid.[/quote]

The old Skins wouldn't have drafted Cousins in the first place.

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[quote=Mattyk;977881]The old Skins wouldn't have drafted Cousins in the first place.[/quote]

That's for sure.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;977868]ummmm . . . disagree . . . Revis is only 27 years old . . . after he is back from his ACL, he will still be one of the best CB's in the NFL . . . don't forget, RGIII has already come back from the same injury . . . does he look slow?? . . . i would take (and the offer will never happen anyway) Revis and a 2nd any day of the week for Cousins . . . and i love me some Cousins (and love having a good backup QB) . . . but Revis is a STUD at a position we desperately need help . . .[/quote]

Let's not delude ourselves here. For one, the Jets aren't trading Revis. Two, we don't need Revis. What we need are draft picks. Although Cousins stock has increased with his competitive play, I doubt if this particular offseason is the right time to trade him.

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[quote=Mattyk;977881]The old Skins wouldn't have drafted Cousins in the first place.[/quote]


We'd still have Jimmy Clausen at the helm. :Flush:

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[quote=Lotus;977859]Is that you, Vinny?

Because of injury, Revis's best days are behind him. We don't want Revis. Might as well bring in Bruce Smith.[/quote]

I don't think you know what you are talking about. I'm sure you said the same about Adrian Peterson after he tore his ACL and MCL just last year.

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[quote=milellie111;977907]I don't think you know what you are talking about. I'm sure you said the same about Adrian Peterson after he tore his ACL and MCL just last year.[/quote]

Revis has torn his ACL twice. Many players come back from one ACL tear. Can you please provide a list of players who have torn ACL's twice in the NFL and come back to play as they have before?

Your list will be short.

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[quote=Lotus;977909]Revis has torn his ACL twice. Many players come back from one ACL tear. Can you please provide a list of players who have torn ACL's twice in the NFL and come back to play as they have before?

Your list will be short.[/quote]

Terry Allen?

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[quote=SmootSmack;977918]Terry Allen?[/quote]that was the name that came to my mind. was it the same acl multiple times or both acls?

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[quote=Lotus;977909]Revis has torn his ACL twice. Many players come back from one ACL tear. Can you please provide a list of players who have torn ACL's twice in the NFL and come back to play as they have before?

Your list will be short.[/quote]

Credric Griffin... BOOM!

Oh wait, maybe that proves your point...

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[quote=Mattyk;977871]The Jets aren't trading Revis for Cousins. Just stop.[/quote]

No, they're trading Revis, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, and their next two first rounders for Cousins. Supah Bowww here we come!

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[quote=mooby;978043]No, they're trading Revis, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, and their next two first rounders for Cousins. Supah Bowww here we come![/quote]and a framed 8 x 10 photograph of kerry rhodes autographed by kris jenkins

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At this point Jet fans are so desperate for a QB that Josh McCown is probably starting to look good. Believe me as a Redskin fan I've been there. Ironically though it's not really Sanchez's fault. Granted no NFL QB should struggle weak in and weak out to break the 200 yard mark but the personel has gotten significantly worse around him. Aging O-Line, weak running game, no real good receiving threats. Either way I'm glad we lost our bid to trade up for him.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;978048]At this point Jet fans are so desperate for a QB that Josh McCown is probably starting to look good. Believe me as a Redskin fan I've been there. Ironically though it's not really Sanchez's fault. Granted no NFL QB should struggle weak in and weak out to break the 200 yard mark but the personel has gotten significantly worse around him. Aging O-Line, weak running game, no real good receiving threats. Either way I'm glad we lost our bid to trade up for him.[/quote]

I had no idea we bid for Sanchez...geez.

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This knee-jerk let's trade Cousins thinking reminds me of when we let Ryan Clark go (still pissed about this). This is Vinny-think. I know it's not the same situation but c'mon, we [I]want[/I] these guys on our team.

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The only real answer is to wait until we get an offer we cant refuse. Cousins is going to leave as soon he can, he wants to start, not back up. That means we have three total years to get what we can for him and train a replacement. This is year one. Once we get an offer that is too rich for us to turn down he will be gone.

That is the only way to play this. If he leaves via FA after year 4 - I think we miss a huge opportunity.

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I know this makes some mad but here goes,,,,,, KC1 stays put, he has skills and will be a great backup for RGIII and when the time comes and it will be sooner than later if the galloping gazelle doesn't watch himself on the field Capain Kirk will step in and take the reigns quite nicely I believe.

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[quote=tmandoug1;978079]I know this makes some mad but here goes,,,,,, KC1 stays put, he has skills and will be a great backup for RGIII and when the time comes and it will be sooner than later if the galloping gazelle doesn't watch himself on the field Capain Kirk will step in and take the reigns quite nicely I believe.[/quote]

YEAAAHH !! EXACTLY !! ... Wait ? ... Didn't that kinda just happen last week ???

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[quote=irish;977847]The Jets need a new Head Coach more than anything else.[/quote]

Can you provide tangible evidence to support this claim?

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[quote=Angry;978141]Can you provide tangible evidence to support this claim?[/quote]

Rex Ryan inherited a team that went 9-7 the year before him, and goes 9-7 again but just got lucky that he made the playoffs. He has no leadership in that locker room, his team looks completely lost, for some reason the drafts before he was there were solid even with the GM they had (with the exception Gholston of course) and then when he arrives they start picking players like... Mark Sanchez. A bunch of questionable off season moves like giving Scott 48 million when he was on the decline, looked good a couple of games and everyone thought he was a beast. This year he is showing that one season is not worth what they signed him for.

Rex Ryan is a defensive coordinator he has shown lack of leadership in that locker room, he does not evaluate talent well at all seeing as all his good players were there before he arrived, he inherited a good/talented team and then messed it up and you can see just by watching the jets they are leaderless.

^^ Yeah. What he said.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

Keep Cousins as long as you can.

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[quote=donofriose;978147]Rex Ryan inherited a team that went 9-7 the year before him, and goes 9-7 again but just got lucky that he made the playoffs. He has no leadership in that locker room, his team looks completely lost, for some reason the drafts before he was there were solid even with the GM they had (with the exception Gholston of course) and then when he arrives they start picking players like... Mark Sanchez. A bunch of questionable off season moves like giving Scott 48 million when he was on the decline, looked good a couple of games and everyone thought he was a beast. This year he is showing that one season is not worth what they signed him for.

Rex Ryan is a defensive coordinator he has shown lack of leadership in that locker room, he does not evaluate talent well at all seeing as all his good players were there before he arrived, he inherited a good/talented team and then messed it up and you can see just by watching the jets they are leaderless.[/quote]

Boil it down to the simple fact that the Jets have no ability to select quality, or even mediocre players in the draft or via Free Agency. They have NO ONE around Sanchez. Defense is average, no run game, no receivers to throw to. NOTHING. The GM and Rexy's personnel selections ain't so sexy. Poopoo talent=bye bye job.