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I am happy RG3 had a game like this. He needed to see that defenses are alot faster in the NFL and running will not always work. He adjusted as the game moved forward. He has a quick release and he needs to learn to adjust in the pocket then get the ball out of there.

Niles Paul has shown me nothing to warrant him replacing Cooley or Paulsen. I hope he is really the TE we are trying to trade, behind the scences.

Alfred Morris Looks great. he gashed the Bears 1st team defense in the start until the line started to falter.

Hopefully Cousins continues to look good and earns the Number 2 spot. I don't want Grossman to see the field this year during the regular season.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;931911]A. I agree on everything u said about both griffins.. Cedric is a scrub.. our secondary plain out sucks! Hall is our only decent db.. Wilson sucks to imo.

[B]Kirk cousins is a very good QB, I liked the pick when we drafted him just because he is trade bait. Anyone who thinks he's in our plans to start is crazy unless Griffin goes down. [/B]

I love kerrigan dude is a baller, and yes I will agree I'm starting to think he's better than rak.


Oline is bad other than Trent Williams whom again showed y he's so good, he pushed Peppers around at times last night.

Running backs are all avg guys imo, none will scare anyone this year. Maybe helu maybe

Overall this team will be better much better but not a playoff team just yet[/quote]

I think the situation will play itself out. It's just too early to tell if either is going to be elite, good, average or busts. I will say this, in pro sports, and especially in the NFL, we see guys that were drafted in lower positions, and end up outplaying the more highly drafted guy. It happens all the time. Next week I want to see RG3 get 20-25 throws. He's a rookie and needs the reps.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;931917][B]I am happy RG3 had a game like this. He needed to see that defenses are alot faster in the NFL and running will not always work. He adjusted as the game moved forward. He has a quick release and he needs to learn to adjust in the pocket then get the ball out of there. [/B]

Niles Paul has shown me nothing to warrant him replacing Cooley or Paulsen. I hope he is really the TE we are trying to trade, behind the scences.

Alfred Morris Looks great. he gashed the Bears 1st team defense in the start until the line started to falter.

Hopefully Cousins continues to look good and earns the Number 2 spot. I don't want Grossman to see the field this year during the regular season.[/quote]
Personally I don't think that was nearly as bad as some of the struggles he'll have in the regular season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;931918]Next week I want to see RG3 get 20-25 throws. He's a rookie and needs the reps.[/quote]Agree 100%.
I feel 2 different sentiments coming out of the Ashburn:

o Griff will not be treated like a rookie QB in pre-season, he'll be treated like the true starter

then there's

o Griff is a rookie that needs a lot of reps

Imo Griffin hasn't had the chance to get into a good rhythm because he hasn't thrown enough passes.
He's thrown fewer passes then some veteran starting QBs.

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[quote=30gut;931921]Agree 100%.
I feel 2 different sentiments coming out of the Ashburn:

o[B] Griff will not be treated like a rookie QB in pre-season, he'll be treated like the true starter[/B]

then there's

o Griff is a rookie that needs a lot of reps

Imo Griffin hasn't had the chance to get into a good rhythm because he hasn't thrown enough passes.
He's thrown fewer passes then some veteran starting QBs.[/quote]

And I think that's a mistake that the coaches are making.

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[quote=skinsfan69;931923]And I think that's a mistake that the coaches are making.[/quote]

Meaning what.. Could you elaborate?

My take on last night is that we looked exactly how we should have been expected to look.. The Bears defense is going to make a lot of teams look bad this year, even with their starting lines healthy. We came in starting 3 backups (Polumbus, Hurt and Gettis) and a dinged up Williams not to mention 2 rookies in the backfield in Griffin and Morris.. Not making excuses at all for the performance but we need perspective about the status of things. We did some things on offense good, but left lots of room for improvement.

On defense, I'm HOPING we were experimenting with some things in coverage, if not then YIKES it's going to be a long season. Cedric Griffin looked S L O W! Not only on the Marshall completion to start the game but on the play on the sidelines as well. I'd rather see Jones or even Barnes (I never thought I'd say that) out there. No Fletcher surely didn't help..

End of the day, it's the preseason, hope Rak and Merriweather are back soon and looking forward to the RG3 home debut.

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Orakpo and Merriwether should be the biggest concerns. Brian probably will be Ok, but Merriweather might be done. Did they get MRIs yet?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;931827]heath meet bob
gus meet kirk
gus stop telling kirk to head butt the wall[/quote]


I will never be able to downplay that!!!!!!!!

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;931901][B]For anyone saying that RGIII looked like a rookie, can you specify?[/B] Not being a dick, just curious because he was fairly accurate on almost everything. Not only that, we haven't had someone with that type of scrambling ability ever. I think if there was anything "rookie like" was him potentially underestimating how fast NFL players are. The guys in the booth noticed it and I agree. Still, so refreshing to see someone that young keep his eyes down-field trying to make a play.

Now, next week if we lay an egg for the game teams supposedly game-plan for, then I'll be getting a little nervous.[/quote]

I said he looked like a rookie because of a couple of plays.

First, when he fumbled I thought he should have secured the ball in traffic and taken the sack. I think that showed some lack of awareness of the pass rush in that instance. Also, his fumble occurred deep in Redskins territory where he should be extra careful with the ball.

Second, on another pass play he ran around like Fran Tarkenton and didn't seem to have any idea what to do when nobody was open and he was cornered. A veteran probably would have simply thrown the ball out of bounds.

I think he needs to learn when he can make a play and when he probably can't make one in the NFL. Even a player with his ability needs to play smart and manage the game.

I also said that I wasn't worried about his development. He will learn but he [U]is[/U] a rookie. We need to remember that.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;931911]A. I agree on everything u said about both griffins.. Cedric is a scrub.. our secondary plain out sucks! Hall is our only decent db.. Wilson sucks to imo.

Kirk cousins is a very good QB, I liked the pick when we drafted him just because he is trade bait. Anyone who thinks he's in our plans to start is crazy unless Griffin goes down.

I love kerrigan dude is a baller, and yes I will agree I'm starting to think he's better than rak.


Oline is bad other than Trent Williams whom again showed y he's so good, he pushed Peppers around at times last night.

Running backs are all avg guys imo, none will scare anyone this year. Maybe helu maybe

Overall this team will be better much better but not a playoff team just yet[/quote]


We won't be getting rid of Cousins. Grossman will go before Cousins. Cousins shows promise, while we know what we get with Rex. Why go down a whole 2 notches at QB if Robert gets killed due to the ad hoc o line we have. Can you imagine what could happen if Andre Ware or any of the Giants D linemen get a blindside hit on Robert? He might be a goner, and then you are stuck with Grossman? Shoot you would be better throwing Gus back there. Gus threw too mant INTs during his stint here, but he knew how to get into the endzone as well. Grossman is just well... plain gross!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;931929]We won't be getting rid of Cousins. Grossman will go before Cousins. Cousins shows promise, while we know what we get with Rex. Why go down a whole 2 notches at QB if Robert gets killed due to the ad hoc o line we have. Can you imagine what could happen if [B][U]Andre Ware[/U][/B] or any of the Giants D linemen get a blindside hit on Robert? He might be a goner, and then you are stuck with Grossman? Shoot you would be better throwing Gus back there. Gus threw too mant INTs during his stint here, but he knew how to get into the endzone as well. Grossman is just well... plain gross![/quote]


If former Heisman Trophy winner Andre Ware gets a blindside shot on RGIII this whole organization should be imploded.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;931929]We won't be getting rid of Cousins. Grossman will go before Cousins. Cousins shows promise, while we know what we get with Rex. Why go down a whole 2 notches at QB if Robert gets killed due to the ad hoc o line we have. Can you imagine what could happen if Andre Ware or any of the Giants D linemen get a blindside hit on Robert? He might be a goner, and then you are stuck with Grossman? Shoot you would be better throwing Gus back there. Gus threw too mant INTs during his stint here, but he knew how to get into the endzone as well. Grossman is just well... plain gross![/quote]

It's never too late for Gus, is it, Gus?

I thought I read that both 98 and 31 were OK

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[quote=diehardskin2982;931917]I am happy RG3 had a game like this. He needed to see that defenses are alot faster in the NFL and running will not always work. He adjusted as the game moved forward. He has a quick release and he needs to learn to adjust in the pocket then get the ball out of there.

[B]Niles Paul has shown me nothing to warrant him replacing Cooley or Paulsen. I hope he is really the TE we are trying to trade, behind the scences.[/B]

Alfred Morris Looks great. he gashed the Bears 1st team defense in the start until the line started to falter.

Hopefully Cousins continues to look good and earns the Number 2 spot. I don't want Grossman to see the field this year during the regular season.[/quote]

I doubt it he has not proven anything.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;931929]We won't be getting rid of Cousins. Grossman will go before Cousins. Cousins shows promise, while we know what we get with Rex. Why go down a whole 2 notches at QB if Robert gets killed due to the ad hoc o line we have. Can you imagine what could happen if Andre Ware or any of the Giants D linemen get a blindside hit on Robert? He might be a goner, and then you are stuck with Grossman? Shoot you would be better throwing Gus back there. Gus threw too mant INTs during his stint here, but he knew how to get into the endzone as well. Grossman is just well... plain gross![/quote]

I dunno about this. Cousins is going to develop into a starter QB and I doubt he's going to be happy playing second fiddle for more than a few years.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;931917]I am happy RG3 had a game like this. He needed to see that defenses are alot faster in the NFL and running will not always work. He adjusted as the game moved forward. He has a quick release and he needs to learn to adjust in the pocket then get the ball out of there.

[B]Niles Paul has shown me nothing to warrant him replacing Cooley or Paulsen. I hope he is really the TE we are trying to trade, behind the scences.[/B]

Alfred Morris Looks great. he gashed the Bears 1st team defense in the start until the line started to falter.

Hopefully Cousins continues to look good and earns the Number 2 spot. I don't want Grossman to see the field this year during the regular season.[/quote]

Cooley is gone, its pretty evident. Its sad, but Cooley will not be making the team.

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This was my first opportunity to watch the Skins this year or RG3 as a Skin at all. No surprises he made some rookie mistakes, but his athleticism was fun to watch. Felt both lines were overmatched in the first couple of drives.

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How many YEARS does it take most QBs to learn the NFL? 2-3?

It's RGIII's second pre-season game.

Comments by the D after the game suggest that they we're trying some things, leaving people in tough situations to see how they'd react, etc. Can anyone verify this? I guess the "experiment" failed...

Maybe what we learned from the second half is that we have more depth on the roster than last season?

I am excited to see if Hightower can get some of his mojo back. I am worried that Helu is too fragile for the NFL.

The O-line, obviously, is the biggest concern. Could have used 18 mil more in the offseason there...

(Nothing so nutty as an NFL message board after a preseason game!!! Glad to be a part of the madness!)

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Positive Redskins-related thought: I thought LaRon Landry played a pretty good game.

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[quote=GTripp0012;931940]Positive Redskins-related thought: I thought LaRon Landry played a pretty good game.[/quote]

He didn't have his name called at all. He must've been doing something right.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;931941]He didn't have his name called at all. He must've been doing something right.[/quote]

I thought he had an INT??

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Least sacked QB’s since 69 with at least 2,500 passing attempts
Manning 1 per 31.2 att.
Marino 1 per 31 att
D. Williams 1 per 29.8 att
Rypien 1 per 26.9 att
Two with great olines and two with a quick release and mediocore olines. Id rather have a beefed up oline.

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LL had a good game for the Jets.

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[quote=Paintrain;931924]Meaning what.. Could you elaborate?

My take on last night is that we looked exactly how we should have been expected to look.. The Bears defense is going to make a lot of teams look bad this year, even with their starting lines healthy. We came in starting 3 backups (Polumbus, Hurt and Gettis) and a dinged up Williams not to mention 2 rookies in the backfield in Griffin and Morris.. Not making excuses at all for the performance but we need perspective about the status of things. We did some things on offense good, but left lots of room for improvement.

On defense, I'm HOPING we were experimenting with some things in coverage, if not then YIKES it's going to be a long season. Cedric Griffin looked S L O W! Not only on the Marshall completion to start the game but on the play on the sidelines as well. I'd rather see Jones or even Barnes (I never thought I'd say that) out there. No Fletcher surely didn't help..

End of the day, it's the preseason, hope Rak and Merriweather are back soon and looking forward to the RG3 home debut.[/quote]

I was expecting a little better performance from some of the o-linemen, since some of them will probably see a lot action this year. That wasn't the 85 Bears defesne I saw out there.

The secondary is in trouble. Outside of Wilson no one can cover.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;931906]Griff got hit which is a great thing imo, especially on the sack fumble , he won't be saying the bears d was easy I can assured u that lol.. I love the kid he's going to be an ELITE qb in 3 years.. [B]cousins is trade bait after this season[/B] .[/quote]

You may be right. [B]IF [/B]Griff stays healthy...

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;931891]If I'd have posted last night, I would have been like OMGZZZ!111, but after a good night's sleep and some perspective, I was actually pleased with the play of all our depth guys with the exception of the offensive line.

You never know what you're going to get when it comes to preseason game plans. Did the Bears plan a little more? Maybe so. I thought RG3 looked pretty good as far as QBs go. Didn't get a lot of opportunities when he was running for his life. The passes he did complete I was very happy with.

Cousins looked great against backups, but you can only play the people in the game at that time and I thought he owned them. Good to see he was decisive and good to see Robinson and Briscoe step up.

In the end, Cedric Griffin is not a starting corner. Cutler just picked his ass apart. It was either a quick drop or max protect so that's part of the reason we didn't get there for pressure. I was STILL super pissed we lost over a freaking 57 yard field goal after how well Cousins did in the 2 minute drill.[/quote]

Also, I noted that in the third quarter I think it was the announcers pointed out that Haslett must have gotten tired of only rushing 3 player from the line and started rushing 4 or 5 rushers which made the defense get their sacks. I'm thinking Haslett used only 3 DL cause he wanted to see how those three would play. Maybe trying to see if they could get a decent rush with just 3DL, maybe trying to decide who played the best to keep on the roster.

There is a lot of behind the scene stuff we fans don't know about, putting the defense in specific situations just to see how specific players will do. Preseason isn't all about wins.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;931934]I dunno about this. Cousins is going to develop into a starter QB and I doubt he's going to be happy playing second fiddle for more than a few years.[/quote]Cousins is locked in for 3 years. I don't want to annoint him yet based on pre=season (see Pineapple Jesus), but he is showing some ability and I agree there's a good chance he develops into a capable starter. If we are able to trade him for a 2nd or better in the off-season after his yr. 3 it's a great win for the FO. If he does develop as you say, you're 100% correct we won't be able to pay him what he'll get on the market.

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They tried experimenting a bit with Hall at safety yesterday, to not much success.

And, barring injury, there is zero chance of Paul not making the team

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[quote=los panda;931898]our first team defense looked like trash. offensive line looked like trash (again)[/quote]

I'm not saying our OL will be awesome, but as I already said with the DL and Haslett only rushing 3 people the whole first half, maybe the OL was only playing man to man instead of zone blocking? Maybe the coaching staff sent in plays that wouldn't completely stop the Bears cause they wanted to see if RG3 would change to the right play call or if he would pick up the blitz and look for his hot WR? There is a lot we don't know.

They were even talking about how the coaching staff was using some of Baylor's spread offense.....maybe they were trying some of those plays out?

When the runs not working ya gotta go to the pass to get the defense to back off the line, but the Bears stacked the line and I didn't see as many roll outs this week which might have backed a defense off a little.

Lastly if the Bears are a SB contender why give them any decent film to watch later if we happen to make it into the play offs?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931954]Cousins is locked in for 3 years. I don't want to annoint him yet based on pre=season (see Pineapple Jesus), but he is showing some ability and I agree there's a good chance he develops into a capable starter. If we are able to trade him for a 2nd or better in the off-season after his yr. 3 it's a great win for the FO. If he does develop as you say, you're 100% correct we won't be able to pay him what he'll get on the market.[/quote]


I'm not sure why people have the idea of fixing Cousins up prim and propper then trading him away for picks? I mean I get the idea but who is supposed to start if RG3 is out a game or two? I'd rather have him then Grossman as backup. And the only reason teams like the Patriots get away with it is cause they already have a #1 and #2 QB so they develope a third and trade them away for picks.

We don't have that luxery.

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[quote=SmootSmack;931955]They tried experimenting a bit with Hall at safety yesterday, to not much success.

And, barring injury, there is zero chance of Paul not making the team[/quote]

So does that mean we keep Paulsen or Cooley? Cause at this point, I would lean towards Paulsen.

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[quote=SBXVII;931957]I'm not sure why people have the idea of fixing Cousins up prim and propper then trading him away for picks? I mean I get the idea but who is supposed to start if RG3 is out a game or two? I'd rather have him then Grossman as backup. And the only reason teams like the Patriots get away with it is cause they already have a #1 and #2 QB so they develope a third and trade them away for picks.

We don't have that luxery.[/quote]If he develops into a starter (and God willing he won't see any game action), unfortunately there's a salary cap. We won't be able to sign him to a reasonable contract as a back-up. We can hold him for his 4th yr., but after that he'll surely leave and we'll get nothing.

Grossman should only be here as long as Shanny Jr, to mentor the young QBs in his system, if he sees the field....we're F'd.

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[quote=SmootSmack;931955]They tried experimenting a bit with Hall at safety yesterday, to not much success.

And, barring injury, there is zero chance of Paul not making the team[/quote]
Yep and it's questionable because he just isn't very good.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;931958]So does that mean we keep Paulsen or Cooley? Cause at this point, I would lean towards Paulsen.[/quote]

I expect the TEs to be Davis, Paul, and Paulsen

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[quote=SmootSmack;931975]I expect the TEs to be Davis, Paul, and Paulsen[/quote]

Are you expecting a Cooley trade or an outright cut?

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Barring injury, cut

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it sucks that one knee injury turns you into a crappy TE :/ I think cooley can probably play pretty well still, but since i haven't seen him on the field at all really, it's hard to tell.


that said, the zone scheme requires a good blocking TE since the RB reads inside/outside cuts based off of his ability to stop his guy, so paul and paulsen wouldn't surprise me at all.

next offseason imagine we'll be grabbing a good RT and OG and switching out hall with someone that can play better coverage. i think we got spoiled by champ and DG and springs (when healthy) and ST and all them. we've had great #1 DBs for a long time, but the defensive philosophy's changed.

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Here's an idea at TE.
Davis cant/wont block...that is essential for us.
Why not keep Cooley, Paulsen, Niles Paul, and trade Davis.
I know he has amazing upside...but he sucks at blocking which is critical for us.
He has trade value now, and paulsen can block, cooley is ok and niles paul is developing and loves to hit. We have serious needs at RT and corner and safety.
Why not replace Davis with a blocking TE like Paulsen, and add a far better RT acquired through a trade?
I would much rather give RG3 1 more second to pass and a better running game that one more great pass catcher?

Imagine a legit blocking TE and RT on the edges with developing young interior draft pick talent to shore up our Oline?...we can live without a top TE...we cant live with crappy blocking, not with a rookie QB. Cooley has hands, apparantly so does Paulsen..let the trade Davis talk begin!

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;931949]LL had a good game for the Jets.[/QUOTE]

He's a stud... Until he gets hurt again

[QUOTE=skinsnut;931983]Here's an idea at TE.
Davis cant/wont block...that is essential for us.
Why not keep Cooley, Paulsen, Niles Paul, and trade Davis.
I know he has amazing upside...but he sucks at blocking which is critical for us.
He has trade value now, and paulsen can block, cooley is ok and niles paul is developing and loves to hit. We have serious needs at RT and corner and safety.
Why not replace Davis with a blocking TE like Paulsen, and add a far better RT acquired through a trade?
I would much rather give RG3 1 more second to pass and a better running game that one more great pass catcher?

Imagine a legit blocking TE and RT on the edges with developing young interior draft pick talent to shore up our Oline?...we can live without a top TE...we cant live with crappy blocking, not with a rookie QB. Cooley has hands, apparantly so does Paulsen..let the trade Davis talk begin![/QUOTE]

Problem is Davis is a stud in the redzone and obviously we needs more options down there. Also I don't see anyone giving too much for a suspended TE from a year ago.