re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=30gut;892820]I think it would be extremely arrogant and stupid for any team to place the importance of their system over Peyton Manning.

And despite the perception of hubris amoungst our staff namely Mike and Kyle Shanahan; I can't even imagine that they would exult their system over Peyton Manning.[/quote]


We are talking about the shannys, they are arrogant and extremely entrenched in their system. It would be major epiphany for them to alter the system that Mike won 2 trophies with. Lil shanny knows that after the first 15 plays he runs the offense every Sunday and will continue to do so until dad is fired or retires.

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As much as I like Peyton and I know he put any team on his back, I'm just worried about the old guy factor, I still don't think he has more than 2 seasons left in him and that we may just be band-aiding an open wound. I hope some QB gems come out next year.

That said, if we sign him, SUPER BOWL CHAMPS.

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[quote=Mattyk;892824]Does anyone really think the Shanahans would force their offense down PM's throat without any give and take? And does anyone really think PM isn't capable of running a different offense?[/quote]

He could run any Offense. He'll have input on which plays they run just like most QBs do. I'm sure he ran something in high school that was different than what he ran in college that was different than what he ran in Indy. This whole system thing is overblown.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;892827]As much as I like Peyton and I know he put any team on his back, I'm just worried about the old guy factor, I still don't think he has more than 2 seasons left in him and that we may just be band-aiding an open wound. I hope some QB gems come out next year.

That said, if we sign him, SUPER BOWL CHAMPS.[/quote]

Bold prediction? I think that's a bit much...

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[quote=SkinzWin;892831]Bold prediction? I think that's a bit much...[/quote]

You're obviously not familiar with my sarcasm. :D

But the offense will be seriously upgraded.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;892833]You've obviously not familiar with my sarcasm. :D

But the offense will be seriously upgraded.[/quote]

You have to put a smilie.





:)

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

Big fan of Manning's always have been but I do not think this is the place for him. With the age and injury factor I think we stay away.

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[quote=Chico23231;892788]Denver could be the darkhorse. I think they got hella cap space too, a GM who wants another SB tomorrow and clearly doesnt have the patience with Tebow.

I know this might sound crazy, but if Im Baltimore Im on the phone with Manning's agent right now. You know what Ed Reed and Ray Ray are thinking, window is closing.[/quote]

And a GM that won back to back Super Bowls in his late thirties.

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[quote=whistler;892826]We are talking about the shannys, they are arrogant and extremely entrenched in their system. It would be major epiphany for them to alter the system that Mike won 2 trophies with. Lil shanny knows that after the first 15 plays he runs the offense every Sunday and will continue to do so until dad is fired or retires.[/quote]

Man, you showed up here like a huge pimple on prom night. Did you just get banned from Extremeskins?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;892837]Man, you showed up here like a huge pimple on prom night. Did you just get banned from Extremeskins?[/quote]

johnny5dickey

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[quote=whistler;892815]Not saying that. I am saying that the offense that he's been in since he came into the league 14yrs ago, is not and does not resemble a west coast offense, if you want the Manning that you are used to it won't be the same guy. With that said does anyone think that for the 2yrs he would be here the shanny's would alter everything? [B]Also, the Texans ran a similar version of shanny's west coast but they went over the top because of Andre Johnson, there is no Andre Johnson in Washington.[/B][/quote]

Therefore, by your own logic, the Shanny offense CAN be adapted to go "over the top."

Andre Johnson causes adaptation in Houston, Peyton Manning causes adaptation in Washington.

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[quote=SkinzWin;892840]johnny5dickey[/quote]

My man. I just know what I've seen the past two years. Shannahan has 2 trophies, Manning has one. Manning reminds me of Jergensen, great qb not so much a great team. He's a down field kind of guy. The shannys want to win their way so they can say they did it their way. Manning would do something that the shannys think is heiresy, he would audible and check with me, and the shannys would explode on national TV, it would be a spectacle.

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I have to know the backstory

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[quote=whistler;892826]We are talking about the shannys, they are arrogant and extremely entrenched in their system. It would be major epiphany for them to alter the system that Mike won 2 trophies with. Lil shanny knows that after the first 15 plays he runs the offense every Sunday and will continue to do so until dad is fired or retires.[/quote]We also talking about [I][B]Peyton Manning[/B][/I] here.
Peyton Manning.
If Mike and Kyle either can't or aren't willing to accomodate Peyton Manning into their offense then they gotta go.

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IMO he might end up in san fran, why haven't they resigned Alex Smith yet.

[QUOTE=NYCskinfan82;892854]IMO he might end up in san fran, why haven't they resigned Alex Smith yet.[/QUOTE]

Bc Smith isn't any good and they know they have kaep waiting

All I know is Mike has to get our QB now because another 6 win season and he's gone

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I don't get why people think that Shanny is so entrenched in his system that wouldn't allow Manning some say. Do people honestly think he walked into Denver and said to Elway "Hey I know you've been here for years but this is the way it is now. HOF career be dammed." It is no secret that they butted heads but got sh!t done. It would be the same thing here.

[url]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/06/report-dolphins-believe-they-have-good-chance-to-sign-manning/[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;892824]Does anyone really think the Shanahans would force their offense down PM's throat without any give and take? And does anyone really think PM isn't capable of running a different offense?[/quote]

Yes, as hard as it is to imagine, there appears to be quite a number of their posts........here. I have been slogging through them Ad Nauseum.....
I'll be in the drunk thread.

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[quote=whistler;892845]My man. I just know what I've seen the past two years. Shannahan has 2 trophies, Manning has one. Manning reminds me of Jergensen, great qb not so much a great team. He's a down field kind of guy. The shannys want to win their way so they can say they did it their way. Manning would do something that the shannys think is heiresy, he would audible and check with me, and the shannys would explode on national TV, it would be a spectacle.[/quote]

I was just kidding. Do you even know what I am referencing?

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why cant we pick up peyton and trade up to get rg3 as well to sit a few years?

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;892861]why cant we pick up peyton and trade up to get rg3 as well to sit a few years?[/quote]

Because that would be stupid.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;892862]Because that would be stupid.[/quote]

Break it down for me why it would be so.

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Manning isn't going somewhere that isn't committed to Peyton Manning. Trading up for RG3 would be, by definition, not committing to Peyton Manning.

I'm not even sure Manning would give the a-OK to draft Kirk Cousins in the second round.

The guy who would back up Manning, in all likelihood, would be Rex Grossman.

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Here is what a QB who actually played for MS thinks about Peyton to the Skins and particulary Peyton working with MS.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/steve-young-thinks-peyton-manning-to-the-redskins-is-a-fit/2012/02/08/gIQAY0pNzQ_blog.html]Steve Young thinks Peyton Manning to the Redskins is a fit - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

Take it from a player who has played for the guy, rather than an analyst.

I think his take on Mike basically wanting a QB who can protect his judgement is spot on and epitimizes what Peyton can do for him.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;892863]Break it down for me why it would be so.[/quote]

me too

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[quote=skinsfaninok;892858][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/06/report-dolphins-believe-they-have-good-chance-to-sign-manning/]Report: Dolphins believe they have “good chance” to sign Manning | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

So part 1 of the RG3 leverage plan is looking good. Now for part 2. Getting Flynn to Cleveland instead of Seattle.

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[quote=GTripp0012;892864]Manning isn't going somewhere that isn't committed to Peyton Manning. Trading up for RG3 would be, by definition, not committing to Peyton Manning.

I'm not even sure Manning would give the a-OK to draft Kirk Cousins in the second round.

The guy who would back up Manning, in all likelihood, would be Rex Grossman.[/quote]

Edit: Nevermind.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;892752]Pick one of Wayne or Garcon, and let the other go. A case can be made for either, but not both. Wayne does have the U connection though. ;)[/quote]

I guess I would take the younger one, but honestly there has to be better options out there. I for one am not going to pay a premium contract to Wayne and Garcon is often injured.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;892761]My question is if we got Peyton could we afford VJax, a gaurd and others? Plus will we still go after RGIII?[/quote]

Yes, Yes, Yes, ..... probably not but it would be cool. The Rams would have to waver on their offer, or he fall to the Vikes and we make them an offer. No way he goes past the Browns. I'm guessing PM, Saturday, Wayne, VJax, and from the draft Tannehill to learn from PM, and either RT, FS, or WR.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;892867]So part 1 of the RG3 leverage plan is looking good. Now for part 2. Getting Flynn to Cleveland instead of Seattle.[/quote]

well thats if Manning wants to play there

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;892863]Break it down for me why it would be so.[/quote]

You don't sign manning unless you Know he's healthy and think he will start and be productive a minimum of three more years.

you don't sign manning unless you plan to put talent around him so that he can win in that timeframe. Doing so requires your first round picks in the next two drafts to be productive players from day one.

You don't sign manning unless you Pretty much throw your west coast offense out the window to cater to his talents.

So now that you have signed manning, explain to me how it would be anything but stupid to trade your draft picks to move up and acquire a qb you don't anticipate starting for Atleast 4 years... A quarterback who would be ideally suited to run the offense you had in 2010 and 2012, but is the antithesis of the quarterback you catered your 2012 offense for?




Now, what you could do is sign manning to an Mcnabb-esque contract on steroids (really big numbers with no guaranteed money beyond this year), and then trade him Before the draft (and after he's proven his health) for extra ammo to get RG3. It would be devious... But brilliant if you could pull it off

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[quote=NC_Skins;892753]No need to. He's in Durham, NC if I'm correct.[/quote]

I thought over the weekend it was reported PM was in FL working on his throwing and with the latest news he's supposed to be in Indy for the official team press conference with The owner. So firing up Redskins 1 will most likely be in order.

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[quote=whistler;892815]Not saying that. I am saying that the offense that he's been in since he came into the league 14yrs ago, is not and does not resemble a west coast offense, if you want the Manning that you are used to it won't be the same guy. With that said does anyone think that for the 2yrs he would be here the shanny's would alter everything? Also, the Texans ran a similar version of shanny's west coast but they went over the top because of Andre Johnson, there is no Andre Johnson in Washington.[/quote]

Now I'm confused? Are you an RGIII fan? Cause I said the very same thing about RGIII being brought in and would the coaching staff alter their game plan to bring out the best in RGIII and several here said of course the coaching staff would have to. So if they can alter for RGIII then they can alter for a HOFer.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;892865]Here is what a QB who actually played for MS thinks about Peyton to the Skins and particulary Peyton working with MS.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/steve-young-thinks-peyton-manning-to-the-redskins-is-a-fit/2012/02/08/gIQAY0pNzQ_blog.html]Steve Young thinks Peyton Manning to the Redskins is a fit - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

Take it from a player who has played for the guy, rather than an analyst.

I think his take on Mike basically wanting a QB who can protect his judgement is spot on and epitimizes what Peyton can do for him.[/quote]

If not RG3, then definitely Peyton Manning. But will Manning call his own plays? Will Manning clash with Kyle Shanahan? Will Mike Shanahan incorporate the schemes/plays in the west coast offense that Manning called in the huddle and changed at the line of scrimmage in Indy?

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Of course Manning will be Manning where ever he goes, he will be changing things at the line. He reads the Ds and makes changes. That is his game and what he excels at. If you read the article, MS would give the QB multiple plays to run out of a formation or he would allow the QB to make the play call change at the line after the QB has read the defense.

Kyle is the one who really wants PM, so I am sure he would be willing to do whatever it took to make it work.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;892884]You don't sign manning unless you Know he's healthy and think he will start and be productive a minimum of three more years.

you don't sign manning unless you plan to put talent around him so that he can win in that timeframe. Doing so requires your first round picks in the next two drafts to be productive players from day one.

[B]You don't sign manning unless you Pretty much throw your west coast offense out the window to cater to his talents. [/B]

So now that you have signed manning, explain to me how it would be anything but stupid to trade your draft picks to move up and acquire a qb you don't anticipate starting for Atleast 4 years... A quarterback who would be ideally suited to run the offense you had in 2010 and 2012, but is the antithesis of the quarterback you catered your 2012 offense for?




Now, what you could do is sign manning to an Mcnabb-esque contract on steroids (really big numbers with no guaranteed money beyond this year), and then trade him Before the draft (and after he's proven his health) for extra ammo to get RG3. It would be devious... But brilliant if you could pull it off[/quote]

Why does everyone keep saying this? No one runs the true west coast offense anymore. Manning will do just fine in the current offense with some small adjustments.

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[quote=skinsfan69;892890]Why does everyone keep saying this? No one runs the true west coast offense anymore. Manning will do just fine in the current offense with some small adjustments.[/quote]

Exactly, I think this line of thinking is really out of whack.

Well if you bring in Manning you have to change everything and do what Manning wants to do. Really, really? I honestly do not think this is the case. The guy is smart and a great player, he will be able to do what ever he needs to do to win and I cannot think he is going to go into wherever he is and just say ok I am here. Here are your new playbooks.

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Even though we knew this day was coming, it's just so strange to imagine the words Peyton Manning... free agent coming true.