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[quote=GTripp0012;886837]Try to get RG3, but if that doesn't work, go pluck around the other 32 teams for players that teams have soured on after pouring considerable resources into.

My preference is Henne, but this would defend Orton coming here as well.[/quote]Orton is only a stopgap at best in my eyes.
Although he's clearly better then Rex, I view him as a player that's peaked and has a clearly defined ceiling.
(never mind that he was available twice last year and signing him now would be admitting that last year was a needlessly wasted season)


I think our main threats for acquiring RGIII are the same places I would look to find an interim starter for a rookie QB while still providing the upside to develop into a bona fide starter themself.

If the Browns or Dolphins acquire RGIII I would happily see their former QBs on our roster (behind Peyton Manning ;)) or under center next year.

But I wonder if the Shanahan's have enough cache left with the fanbase to make that type of move without placing themselves firmly on the hotseat?

I would love to have Colt McCoy for a 4th round pick.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886800]Figured it was time for a new QB thread. Here are 8 FA QBs (including restricted) and 8 non-Redskins teams they've been associated with

Peyton Manning-Arizona Cardinals

Matt Flynn-Cleveland Browns

Drew Brees-New Orleans Saints

Brian Hoyer-New England Patriots

Chad Henne-New York Jets

Josh Johnson-Seattle Seahawks

Kyle Orton-St. Louis Rams

Jason Campbell-Chicago Bears[/quote]



I can see most of those scenarios, but Orton and Campbell?? I believe with the way they played last year, they will get a shot to start somewhere. Orton to back up Bradford, and Campbell to Cutler, that isn't a competition that is pretty much saying they are the backups.

Campbell and Orton will get a shot to start somewhere, or at least compete for the job.

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[quote=skinsfan69;886864]It still amazes that people think Manning is going anywhere but to retirement. He can't even throw the ball.[/quote]


....and you know this how becuase what I hear is his short game is very good but he still needs alot of work in his long throws.

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[quote=SBXVII;886929]
Unless he takes chump change to go to the Giants to be with his brother.

.[/quote]


...huh???:confused:

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If Cleveland wants RGIII, we have no chance. The deal that St. Louis could make with them is just too perfect for the Rams to be refused.

Here's why I say that. When I watch the Rams play, the overwhelming impression I get is that Sam Bradford gets no pass protection whatsoever. Pass protection is by far their greatest need. They must get a Left OT in this draft.

If the Rams deal with Cleveland, picking up two first round selections (#4 and #22), they'll get a LT and more.

Possible scenarios for the Rams after a trade with Cleveland:

1. Vikes take Blackmon. Rams take Kalil. Rams trade up from #22 to get OG DeCastro or stay at #22 and pick OC Konz. Rams pick best available WR in 2nd Round.

2. Vikes take Kalil. Rams take Blackmon. Rams trade up from #22 to get Martin. Rams pick OG Zeitler in Round 2.

There are many other possible scenarios, but I think you all get my point; with the #4 pick, the #22 pick, and more from Cleveland, plus their own high 2nd Round pick, the Rams could go a long way towards solving their OL problems and improving their WR corps. They would still get either Kalil or Blackmon (or they could draft Reiff) at #4.

That's not counting what they might be able to do in FA. For example, what if they signed Carl Nicks in FA and then drafted Kalil and DeCastro? That OL might become the best in the league after a couple of seasons.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886892]Prediction for QBs on roster heading into training camp:

Brandon Weeden, Rex Grossman, John Beck, Nate Davis, G.J. Kinne[/quote]

Hopefully there will be someone there to talk me in off the ledge if this happens...

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;886951]If Cleveland wants RGIII, we have no chance. The deal that St. Louis could make with them is just too perfect for the Rams to be refused.

Here's why I say that. When I watch the Rams play, the overwhelming impression I get is that Sam Bradford gets no pass protection whatsoever. Pass protection is by far their greatest need. They must get a Left OT in this draft.

If the Rams deal with Cleveland, picking up two first round selections (#4 and #22), they'll get a LT and more.[/quote]

If the Rams are that interested in QB protection, then they probably want to stay put and draft Kalil, since the Vikings are also on the market for a tackle. If this happens, then the price for trading up for RG3 may come down a bit. I agree though, if Cleveland really wants RG3, we are pretty much screwed on that end. Although I would rather have to trade for the #3 pick instead of the #2.

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[quote=celts32;886953]Hopefully there will be someone there to talk me in off the ledge if this happens...[/quote]


I will jump with you!

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[quote=SBXVII;886929][B]I swear I just love how fans seem to think they know what the other teams will do. [/B]

Browns getting Flynn? why? he'd be better served to go to Miami where his former coach went to.

PM to Miami? I doubt it. Seattle? I doubt it. Browns? their a hexed franchise. Redskins are about the only team who can out bid everyone and still pick up other FA's. Plus look closer to the playoffs vs. some of the other teams needing a QB. Unless he takes chump change to go to the Giants to be with his brother.

Hoyer will cost a draft pick. I'd make the trade if it was a late round pick like a 4th or later. Other wise keep the draft picks.

Orton, please don't get me started. Orton couldn't beat out Grossman in Chicago. We'd be better off keeping Grossman due to him already having knowledge of the scheme.[/quote]

And yet you're doing the same thing.

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[quote=diehard;886925]Vinny? Is that you?[/quote]

I'm not even talking about the Skins picking him up, just saying if I had to bet, my money would be on PM making a return... somewhere.

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[quote=redskin29633;886912]I would certainly not propose to tell you what or how to think, but surely you can understand that some of us may see the situation differently. Four surgeries, uncertainty about recovery, his age, and playing out of his comfort zone in Indy would be factors that might be considered when evaluating the wisdom of adding him to the Redskins roster.[/quote]

Noone is even remotely saying this, but there is also the chance that if he comes to the Skins, with our coaching staff and our dual tight ends, along with adding another talented receiver via free agency, that he could do BETTER here than he did with Indy. Our defense, albeit young, is much more talented than ANYTHING that has come out of Indy the past 10 years, and if Peyton can make Austin Collie and Pierre GarCon valid threats, why in the world couldnt he do that with say a Dwayne Bowe, Hankerson, Gaffney, both our tight ends and a pass catching and explosive young RB in Helu? The more I think of it, the more I like the idea of him here, grooming a Foles or Tannehill for 3 or 4 years. Who better to teach how to play the position to a young talented QB, than the best QB to ever play the game, motivated, and with a chip on his shoulder, ready to prove the doubters wrong.

Also, lets think of the situation this way. Washington won 5 games this past year with arguably, well, ok, with definitely the WORST QB play in the league. We beat the super bowl champs twice, all while the NFCE champion took the division with only 9 wins. You think that with an additional year in the system, our defense cannot perform better? You think that given a competent offense, the burden wouldn't be taken off the defense to keep us in games, and that wouldn't translate into a MUCH better squad than last year???? Peyton Manning would transform this team instantly, and we could contend for the title THIS year, all while perserving our youth, and grooming the squad the correct way, without giving draft picks to other teams.

In conclusion, all I am saying is this.

Peyton Manning, along with a smart draft and a couple solid free agency acquisitions will turn this team around alot faster than people might think possible. Other teams do it, why not the Skins with a healthy Peyton Manning? Im 99% sure that Peyton Manning will be healthy enough to play if he signs a deal with a team, I believe that he will make sure he is ready to go, as will his doctors and new team. He will only improve whatever team snags him, and hopefully the skins FO signs him, instantly giving us credibility at the position, and as a true contending team. I dunno if I can change any of the peoples thoughts around here regarding him, along with all of the PM negativity, but I think that even if we do sign him, the people that are doubting him will be very excited deep down inside, just knowing what he is capable of doing. His uncanny ability to make even average players play at their best, turning them into ferocious competitors, and just the way he leads his squad. He is definitely worth his weight in gold, or burgandy and gold for that matter.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;886962]And yet you're doing the same thing.[/QUOTE]

He did say he loved it.

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[quote=Mattyk;886962]And yet you're doing the same thing.[/quote]

Somewhat guilty. My point is I'm putting what I think will happen, and also trying to point out rumors of what other teams are interested in doing. I'm not looking at others and because I don't like their opinion or rumor turning around and calling them names......Vinny.

I once said I wouldn't put it past the Rams, Vikes, Bucks, and Browns to want RGIII and want to make a play for him along with the Skins, Dolphins, and others. I got laughed at but now we are starting to see reports of what I suggested. I said there will probably be a bidding war for the #2 pick and got laughed at and told RGIII will fall to #6. When I say "yea good luck with that" its because I feel hes wishfully thinking. Too many teams are interested in RGIII with all the media talk about him.people would be better served finding a flaw in RGIII and or something he's done wrong so his stock falls and he drops to the Skins or playing up Tannehill so interest turns to some other QB.

But in any event for those who simply think all we have to do is go up and get him go out and spend a little time on other teams message boards and you will see the same talk there as here. They want the RGIII also and feel hes the only QB worth drafting and they should drop their whole draft to get him.

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A guy decides to bring his new blonde girlfriend to a football game. After the game is over, he asks her if she liked the game.

She replies: "Oh it was great, I loved watching those men in tight clothes, but there is one thing I don't understand."

"What did you not understand ?"

And the blonde says: "Well, at the beginning of the game, both teams flipped a quarter to see who would kick off first. Then the rest of the game everybody was yelling get the quarter back, get the quarter back, get the quarter back. So I thought to myself, gosh it's just a quarter!"

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[quote=GTripp0012;886892]Prediction for QBs on roster heading into training camp:

[B]Brandon Weeden[/B], Rex Grossman, John Beck, Nate Davis, G.J. Kinne[/quote]

This guy gets alot of hate, but he's pretty damn good. He can really throw the ball around. There are better QBs for our scheme fit in the draft, but not many better QB coming out. I think he transitions to the NFL much easier than some. I wouldnt mind him being here, but it still allows for the same problem.

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[quote=Chico23231;886975]This guy gets alot of hate, but he's pretty damn good. He can really throw the ball around. There are better QBs for our scheme fit in the draft, but not many better QB coming out. I think he transitions to the NFL much easier than some. I wouldnt mind him being here, but it still allows for the same problem.[/quote]I have a fourth round grade on it (which is actually up from where I had him at the end of the season), but unless you ask the question, "what are the Redskins looking for at this pick?" you would not have been able to predict the Jarvis Jenkins pick either.

When I was evaluating the Jenkins pick, I noticed two things:
1) The Redskins may have been able to get Jenkins a round later
2) They did not pass up anyone else that could do what Jenkins could in order to take him

I kind of think that Weeden in the second round would be the same thing. The Redskins probably could get him in the third round. But what are they looking for? Someone who fits both what Mike and Kyle like in a QB? Someone with advanced mechanics? A guy who will not limit the offense with physical limitations? Brandon Weeden offers all that. The only thing he doesn't offer is a good value pick at a need position.

I think that FANS should be skeptical of Weeden because fans want the best long-term solution possible. Weeden won't even be the best value pick at QB on the board whenever he is drafted. Kellen Moore and Kirk Cousins have MUCH better long term projections, in my estimation. But why on God's Green Earth would the Shanahans care who the QB of the Redskins is in 2016? They aren't going to base ANY of their draft decisions on long-term projection, which is why Weeden makes more sense for them than for another team.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886800]Figured it was time for a new QB thread. Here are 8 FA QBs (including restricted) and 8 non-Redskins teams they've been associated with

Peyton Manning-Arizona Cardinals

Matt Flynn-Cleveland Browns

Drew Brees-New Orleans Saints

Brian Hoyer-New England Patriots

Chad Henne-New York Jets

Josh Johnson-Seattle Seahawks

Kyle Orton-St. Louis Rams

Jason Campbell-Chicago Bears[/quote]

hmm.. Matt Flynn to Browns? Then I wonder what happens to their current QB

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[quote=iamsrk;886982]hmm.. Matt Flynn to Browns? Then I wonder what happens to their current QB[/quote]

I would assume he takes a backup position or asks for his release.

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[quote=Mechanix544;886966]Noone is even remotely saying this, but there is also the chance that if he comes to the Skins, with our coaching staff and our dual tight ends, along with adding another talented receiver via free agency, that he could do BETTER here than he did with Indy. Our defense, albeit young, is much more talented than ANYTHING that has come out of Indy the past 10 years, and if Peyton can make Austin Collie and Pierre GarCon valid threats, why in the world couldnt he do that with say a Dwayne Bowe, Hankerson, Gaffney, both our tight ends and a pass catching and explosive young RB in Helu? The more I think of it, the more I like the idea of him here, grooming a Foles or Tannehill for 3 or 4 years. Who better to teach how to play the position to a young talented QB, than the best QB to ever play the game, motivated, and with a chip on his shoulder, ready to prove the doubters wrong.

Also, lets think of the situation this way. Washington won 5 games this past year with arguably, well, ok, with definitely the WORST QB play in the league. We beat the super bowl champs twice, all while the NFCE champion took the division with only 9 wins. You think that with an additional year in the system, our defense cannot perform better? You think that given a competent offense, the burden wouldn't be taken off the defense to keep us in games, and that wouldn't translate into a MUCH better squad than last year???? Peyton Manning would transform this team instantly, and we could contend for the title THIS year, all while perserving our youth, and grooming the squad the correct way, without giving draft picks to other teams.

In conclusion, all I am saying is this.

Peyton Manning, along with a smart draft and a couple solid free agency acquisitions will turn this team around alot faster than people might think possible. Other teams do it, why not the Skins with a healthy Peyton Manning? Im 99% sure that Peyton Manning will be healthy enough to play if he signs a deal with a team, I believe that he will make sure he is ready to go, as will his doctors and new team. He will only improve whatever team snags him, and hopefully the skins FO signs him, instantly giving us credibility at the position, and as a true contending team. I dunno if I can change any of the peoples thoughts around here regarding him, along with all of the PM negativity, but I think that even if we do sign him, the people that are doubting him will be very excited deep down inside, just knowing what he is capable of doing. His uncanny ability to make even average players play at their best, turning them into ferocious competitors, and just the way he leads his squad. He is definitely worth his weight in gold, or burgandy and gold for that matter.[/quote]

What I like about the possibility of getting a healthy Peyton Manning is if the Colts release him, we get him without giving up valuable draft picks. The #6 pick then becomes a more flexible bargaining chip.
Trading down five or so spots for more picks in this deep draft makes sense. I keep hearing there will be 1st round talent near the top of the second round, like last year where we nabbed Jarvis Jenkins. He was one our best D-lineman in camp and preseason before he got hurt. He will be a bonus in 2012.
If we can get Tannehill and still fill our huge need at OL and CB with talented, young and inexpensive draft picks, this would be a banner offseason.

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[quote=iamsrk;886982]hmm.. Matt Flynn to Browns? Then I wonder what happens to their current QB[/quote]

lol

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[quote=iamsrk;886982]hmm.. Matt Flynn to Browns? Then I wonder what happens to their current QB[/quote]

Holmgren has already said he was bringing in competition at the QB position. Bringing in Flynn doesn't change the status of McCoy, it would be competition for the starting position. Also, bringing in Flynn wouldn't make him the unquestioned starter, and that would probably be the case anywhere he went.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886980]I have a fourth round grade on it (which is actually up from where I had him at the end of the season), but unless you ask the question, "what are the Redskins looking for at this pick?" you would not have been able to predict the Jarvis Jenkins pick either.

When I was evaluating the Jenkins pick, I noticed two things:
1) The Redskins may have been able to get Jenkins a round later
2) They did not pass up anyone else that could do what Jenkins could in order to take him

I kind of think that Weeden in the second round would be the same thing. The Redskins probably could get him in the third round. But what are they looking for? Someone who fits both what Mike and Kyle like in a QB? Someone with advanced mechanics? A guy who will not limit the offense with physical limitations? Brandon Weeden offers all that. The only thing he doesn't offer is a good value pick at a need position.

[B]I think that FANS should be skeptical of Weeden because fans want the best long-term solution possible. [/B]Weeden won't even be the best value pick at QB on the board whenever he is drafted. Kellen Moore and Kirk Cousins have MUCH better long term projections, in my estimation. But why on God's Green Earth would the Shanahans care who the QB of the Redskins is in 2016? They aren't going to base ANY of their draft decisions on long-term projection, which is why Weeden makes more sense for them than for another team.[/quote]

A lot of fans act like the guy is 38 years old. He can play until his late 30's. He could easily have a 8-10 year career if he's good enough. Everyone needs to remember that Weeden isn't a running back. If the front office thinks he's good enough then being 29 shouldn't really matter. I'd have no problem taking him in the 2nd round.

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[quote=skinsfan69;887005]A lot of fans act like the guy is 38 years old. He can play until his late 30's. He could easily have a 8-10 year career if he's good enough. Everyone needs to remember that Weeden isn't a running back. If the front office thinks he's good enough then being 29 shouldn't really matter. I'd have no problem taking him in the 2nd round.[/quote]

Still age is a big difference for a QB-starved team. Plus, with him there is no "let's develop him" because of his age. If you want him as a back up, then age is not an issue. If you want him as a starter, then he better start from day one.

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[quote=Ruhskins;887013]Still age is a big difference for a QB-starved team. Plus, with him there is no "let's develop him" because of his age. If you want him as a back up, then age is not an issue. If you want him as a starter, then he better start from day one.[/quote]

He's probably more pro ready than anyone besides Luck.

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My gut tells me that the simplest way for us to end up with RGIII is for the Browns to get Flynn. However by the same token I've been seeing the Browns looking at trading up 2 spots for a QB to be a waste of time where as the Dolphins and Seahawks might look at trading up with a nothing to loose attitude and thereby easily outbid us for the number 2 pick.

Best case scenario, the Dolphins get Manning, the Browns get Flynn, and the Seahawks fall in love with a random QB from the second or third tier. Seahawks actually might make me more uneasy then any of the other contenders seeing as how they are very unpredictable on draft day under Pete Carroll. They go back and fourth between making good picks and making head scratchers.

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I just wanted to drop this in here for all the folks so excited about Luck and/or RGIII. Oden was the biggest thing since sliced bread when he was coming out.

Look at his career:

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/02/20/greg.oden.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a8&eref=sihp]Trail Blazers' Greg Oden undergoes fifth knee surgery - NBA - SI.com[/url]

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UPDATE: Gary Horton of Scouts, Inc. checked in on the Dolphins' offseason QB situation in a column Monday (find his thoughts at the bottom of the post).

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Having hired Ryan Tannehill's former head coach as its new offensive coordinator, the Miami Dolphins stand uniquely positioned to make a decision on whether or not he's the right choice to lead them into the future at QB, as Omar Kelly of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel explored in a post this weekend. Ultimately, Kelly concludes that it's too early in the process to say whether the Dolphins would consider him with their first-rounder -- either No. 8 or No. 9, depending on a coin flip with the Carolina Panthers -- but that Tannehill can't be ruled out as an option.

A lot can change between now and the draft, given that teams will be signing veteran free agents in the interim. For the Dolphins, the potential addition of such a player -- be it Peyton Manning or Matt Flynn -- would likely mean that they would not target a QB with their first-rounder. It's using that as a hypothetical possibility that Mel Kiper, Jr. sent a player at another position to Miami at No. 9 in his most recent mock draft:

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[quote=mredskins;887026]I just wanted to drop this in here for all the folks so excited about Luck and/or RGIII. Oden was the biggest thing since sliced bread when he was coming out.

Look at his career:

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/02/20/greg.oden.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a8&eref=sihp]Trail Blazers' Greg*Oden undergoes fifth knee surgery - NBA - SI.com[/url][/quote]

Theres obviously no such thing as a sure thing in the draft. However what would we really giving up? We have two playoff appearences and one playoff victory in the last decade and have picked in the top 15 more times then I care to count. Look at all the teams picking in the bottom of the first round. Almost all of those teams have QB's that they can rely on to win games.

I'll give up 3 potential starters for a game changing QB any day of the week. Especially one with off the chart intangibles and physical ability.

And keep in mind another top 10 draft pick type year means that theres a good chance Shanahan could be fired which means a ton of roster turnover (think of the Broncos roster after Shanahan left). So in the end a lot of this building through the draft would end up being an exercise in futility.

We keep ordering new parts for the same broken down car. It's time to get a new car.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886892]Prediction for QBs on roster heading into training camp:

Brandon Weeden, Rex Grossman, John Beck, Nate Davis, G.J. Kinne[/quote]

Got to hell with that prediction!!

Haha. Kill me if that is the case. Kill me dead.

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[quote=FRPLG;887031]Got to hell with that prediction!!

Haha. Kill me if that is the case. Kill me dead.[/quote]


yUk......thats like a 14.6 % upgrade from last year

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[quote=mredskins;887026]I just wanted to drop this in here for all the folks so excited about Luck and/or RGIII. Oden was the biggest thing since sliced bread when he was coming out.

Look at his career:

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/02/20/greg.oden.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a8&eref=sihp]Trail Blazers' Greg*Oden undergoes fifth knee surgery - NBA - SI.com[/url][/quote]


Hardly relevant.
Apples and oranges.....venus and mars.

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[quote=FRPLG;887031]Got to hell with that prediction!!

Haha. Kill me if that is the case. Kill me dead.[/quote]

I could live with Weeden. If you discount his age he's easily the third best QB in the draft. To me he's the closest thing you'll find to an Andy Dalton in this years draft.

WEEEEEEDEN! OKUNGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;887030]Theres obviously no such thing as a sure thing in the draft. However what would we really giving up? We have two playoff appearences and one playoff victory in the last decade and have picked in the top 15 more times then I care to count. Look at all the teams picking in the bottom of the first round. Almost all of those teams have QB's that they can rely on to win games.



I'll give up 3 potential starters for a game changing QB any day of the week. Especially one with off the chart intangibles and physical ability.



And keep in mind another top 10 draft pick type year means that theres a good chance Shanahan could be fired which means a ton of roster turnover (think of the Broncos roster after Shanahan left). So in the end a lot of this building through the draft would end up being an exercise in futility.



We keep ordering new parts for the same broken down car. It's time to get a new car.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;887036]I could live with Weeden. If you discount his age he's easily the third best QB in the draft. To me he's the closest thing you'll find to an Andy Dalton in this years draft.

WEEEEEEDEN! OKUNGGGGGGGGGGGGG![/quote]

Because of his age, the best situation for Weeden is with the Skins. If he was as talented as Luck, he would be considered a late first or second rounder. But, he isn't so I imagine the Skins will have a chance to nab him in the third, possibly later. That's value.

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Id get Matt Flynn or PM over weeded, age is a huge factor, I want a long term solution, injuries rack up as you get higher in age

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;887041]Couldn't have said it better myself.[/quote]

Thanks. I personally love the idea of this franchise being held back if they miss after trading up for RGIII. Like we were going anywhere to begin with. Besides unless RGIII gets hurt again he won't bust. In the words of one Omar Little "even if I miss I can't miss."

I want to point this out again. When Vick was playing in Atlanta under Mora Jr their offense was designed around zone stretch plays that featured Vick rolling out off the handoff.

The fear Vick created by rolling out opened running lanes wide open for the likes of Warrick Dunn, TJ Duckett, and Jarius Norwood. The Falcons finished first in rushing 3 years in a row from 2004 to 2007 and averaged no less then 4.8 ypc in those three years (5.1, 4.8, 5.5 respectively).

Now imagine that same type of threat in RGIII running Shanahan's offense off the bootleg, and unlike a young Michael Vick he's an accurate passer. So teams not only have to respect his legs but his arm as well.

My point is, worst case scenario, if RGIII fails as a passer we will still have an explosive offense. And even though the worst case scenario likely means we would probably never win a Super Bowl we would at least be winning games again.

One more thing to keep in mind. The top QB's in this league have an uncanny ability to improvise on the fly, weather it's in the middle of a play or before the snap (Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Brees, Vick). This is something that RGIII possess in spades.

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[QUOTE=Pigskins;887048]Id get Matt Flynn or PM over weeded, age is a huge factor, I want a long term solution, injuries rack up as you get higher in age[/QUOTE]

Wheeden?, weeded? Come on people if you really want him at least spell his name right.

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Wait Dirtbag, so we shouldn't draft 5 all-pro offensive lineman, 2 1,000 yard receivers, a 1,000 yard rusher, and a 1,000 yard tight end before drafting a qb in the ALWAYS better class of next year?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;887053]Wait Dirtbag, so we shouldn't draft 5 all-pro offensive lineman, 2 1,000 yard receivers, a 1,000 yard rusher, and a 1,000 yard tight end before drafting a qb in the ALWAYS better class of next year?[/quote]

Wait, I'm sorry I don't know what I was thinking. The nerve to believe that a QB with game breaking ability would help this team win games.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;887055]Wait, I'm sorry I don't know what I was thinking. The nerve to believe that a QB with game breaking ability would help this team win games.[/QUOTE]

The audacity. Doctors. PSSSSH. Never liked them.