Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

LL is a great physical specimen but he's not a great football player. He's simply not going to be worth the $ he's going to demand. On top of that the guy can't stay healthy. I'd let him walk.

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[quote=skinsfan69;864801]LL is a great physical specimen but he's not a great football player. He's simply not going to be worth the $ he's going to demand. On top of that the guy can't stay healthy. I'd let him walk.[/quote]

Maybe he won't demand that kind of contract though? If he and his agent are smart they'll keep it reasonable because I doubt any franchise will pay him handsomely. Most teams don't wanna put up w/ the nonsense he brings for one thing...

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I really wonder what Shanny thinks of him. My guess is that he doesn't like his style but of course wants him to reach his high potential. I see them tendering him next year & if a crazy offer comes in they'll let him walk. Otherwise he has another year to play for a contract.

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Once again The Goat will have as many tackles and forced fumbles in an NFL game as Laron Landry this Sunday

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great article regarding laron landry.. I love the guy and I think we should resign him yet there are valid points in this article as to why we should't

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/1/daly-laron-landry-walking-isnt-a-bad-idea/]DALY: LaRon Landry walking isn't a bad idea - Washington Times[/url]

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

GTripp, Landry isn't the most important member of our defense. Sorry. We've been dusted with him on the field and without him, which has been quite frequently. He's a solid safety at best when healthy, but not much more. Great athlete, but bad technique and fundamentals.

At this point there's probably more value in keeping him than letting him walk, but either way I don't think it's a deal breaker.

I guess we could parse words --"most important, most valuable"..but that person is Ryan Kerrigan. He not only plays his position well, but he plays every damn snap and frees up others to take advantage of mismatches.

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[quote=The Goat;864809]Maybe he won't demand that kind of contract though? If he and his agent are smart they'll keep it reasonable because I doubt any franchise will pay him handsomely. [B]Most teams don't wanna put up w/ the nonsense he brings for one thing...[/quote][/B]

Which brings me to my next point. Why should we?

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;864786]Yeah but he also decided to pass on having surgery which could have healed his achilles[/quote]

I didn't know about this. What was the motivation to skip surgery?

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[quote=skinsfan69;864885][/B]

Which brings me to my next point. Why should we?[/quote]

It's a valid point/question to be sure. Part of the time I want to see him walk. I was at the Seattle game last Sunday and from our seats could see the play where Landry went for the hit instead of the tackle (didn't even raise his arms btw) and the receiver bounced off him for something like a 20+ yard gain. As a defender that's just...indefensible.

If Landry was actually a consistent big hitter I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on the play from Sunday but the fact is he just doesn't lay the wood like some people want to pretend. I honestly doubt anyone in the league is afraid of Landry apart from late/cheap hits out of bounds.

Flip the coin: he knows the system and I stand by the observation he's neither the sickness or the cure in our secondary woes. If he can be retained for a modest price and won't be a bonehead about it re-sign him IMO...if he even hints at wanting big money or makes a single comment about being dissatisfied show him the door ASAP and (easily) find his replacement in the off-season.

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[quote=The Goat;864897]I didn't know about this. What was the motivation to skip surgery?[/quote]

He chose to do some blood spinning thing instead. Why? I don't know

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[quote=SmootSmack;864851]Once again The Goat will have as many tackles and forced fumbles in an NFL game as Laron Landry this Sunday[/quote]

Well of course he will. He is The GOAT, is he not?

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[quote=mooby;864916]Well of course he will. He is The GOAT, is he not?[/quote]

El oh el! I'm not the greatest of all time...goat is nickname friends gave me long ago for eating everything in sight (and never gaining a pound). Still wanna eat like i did in college but the results are much different now hehe

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[quote=SmootSmack;862997]They can, though I'm not sure it makes sense to do so.[/quote]
Does'nt a transition tag mean a player can go get his best deal and we can match it. I think that Landry's value is probably a lot less than he is worth, if he ever stays healthy again. Also, most teams dont even make an offer because they know all the other team has to do is match the offer.

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The issue with Landry is that he was a top pick and hasn't played poorly. You look at the second contracts guys get, and being a former high pick plays a big role for some reason. Ryan Clark played great for us but no one gave him a contract. Lavaar played like shit his last year here and got offered something like 35 mil. Deangelo Hall hasn't had one good year in his career and has gotten two huge contracts. I'm sure london fletcher's 1st contract from buffalo wasn't anything special. Reggie Bush didnt deserve to be making 5 mil a year. Eli Manning didn't belong anywhere near the 100 mil qb club when he got his offer.

When players get a rookie contract of 30 mil, its hard to tell them (after they have supposedly improved over the past few years) that they now deserve a 15 mil contract (not that I think Landry deserves 15 mil). Of course this phenomenon doesn't hold true even close to 100%, but there does seem to be a strong correlation.

I just think Landry is going to make more money than he's worth, simply because he was picked so high. I hate "potential"

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[quote=The Goat;864917]El oh el! I'm not the greatest of all time...goat is nickname friends gave me long ago for [B]eating everything in sight (and never gaining a pound[/B]). Still wanna eat like i did in college but the results are much different now hehe[/quote]

Damn, that must have been pretty awesome. I wish I had that ability.

[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;865016]Does'nt a transition tag mean a player can go get his best deal and we can match it. I think that Landry's value is probably a lot less than he is worth, if he ever stays healthy again. Also, most teams dont even make an offer because they know all the other team has to do is match the offer.[/QUOTE]

Unless the rules have changed you're not entitled to compensation if you don't match a transition tagged players offer

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;862850]Landry is a bag of upper body muscle.

But he is hot a high caliber safety.
I'm not even sure if he is a medium caliber safety.

He's an athlete but hes not a smart one.

He's not a game changer.

He doesn't make big plays.

He's injury prone.

If his contract is up let him go we can do better.[/quote]


You sure got that right. Good trade bait though for a OL stud.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;865906]You sure got that right. Good trade bait though for a OL stud.[/quote]

Can't trade a guy that's not under contract.

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[quote=Mattyk;865910]Can't trade a guy that's not under contract.[/quote]

Matty:

Always with the details... Why can't you just let folks have their fantasies run wild?

By the way, if you agree that Landry has all those faults, why would ANY team trade an"OL stud" to get him? Did Vinny C. get a GM job somewhere?

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Landry has turned into Malcolm Kelly over the last 12 months. If it's not an achilles, then it's a groin. I would not overpay to keep a guy who seemingly will never give you 16 games again. I really miss #21.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;865954]Matty:

Always with the details... Why can't you just let folks have their fantasies run wild?

By the way, if you agree that Landry has all those faults, why would ANY team trade an"OL stud" to get him? Did Vinny C. get a GM job somewhere?[/quote]

Why would anyone trade for anyone with that mentality. I'm sure all players are thought of as studs by their coaches. Or do teams trade awful players to get the player that want? Vinny is your mentor. Say no to the Vinny. Break free your chains trade specialist.

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[quote=Mattyk;865910]Can't trade a guy that's not under contract.[/quote]

I believe he is under contract with the Redskins as we speak.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;866315]I believe he is under contract with the Redskins as we speak.[/quote]

He is, but the trade deadline for this season has passed. After the season he becomes a restricted free agent.

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[quote=Mattyk;866316]He is, but the trade deadline for this season has passed. After the season he becomes a restricted free agent.[/quote]

So he can't be traded. Didn't know that. I stand corrected. He would have been good trade bait.

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[quote=Mattyk;866316]He is, but the trade deadline for this season has passed. After the season he becomes a restricted free agent.[/quote]

He'll be a restricted free agent? Doesn't that mean compensation from the team who potentially signs him?

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[quote=SkinzzFan;866343]He'll be a restricted free agent? Doesn't that mean compensation from the team who potentially signs him?[/quote]

Restricted free agent means if another team gives him a contract offer, the Skins have the right to match that offer. If they match it, he stays here; if they pass, he moves on.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7336546/laron-landry-washington-redskins-again-groin-injury]LaRon Landry of Washington Redskins out again with groin injury - ESPN[/url]


Landry out again. Shocked I tell ya!

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

i'd rather he sits out and startts getting healthy for next year.

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iseasons done wats the point of him playing, if healthy, i wanna see more of gomes

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[quote=Meks;866645]i'd rather he sits out and startts getting healthy for next year.[/quote]

theres almost NO CHANCE the skins resign Landry next year; this isnt just my speculation, its the same speculation as others here. Additionally, Chris Russell pretty much definitevely said that, based on his conversations with team sources, we're not resigning him, even to a one year prove-it deal. we're ready to move on and so is he.

If thats the case, why on earth would we we rest him so he could get healthy to improve his stock next year for another team. If he's healthy enough to play, he needs to play. thats what we're paying him for.

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Believe it wen I see it

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We need to re-sign him. In order to find good players that fit you all's definition of "character guys" will take forever. Matter of fact you can not build a team of mostly these types of guys. Not that many of them exist. Especially at safety.

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[quote=Meks;866645]i'd rather he sits out and startts getting healthy for next year.[/quote]

That is what he did for much of the 2010 season and it did not work out very well for the 2011 season.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;866685][B]theres almost NO CHANCE the skins resign Landry next year; this isnt just my speculation, its the same speculation as others here. Additionally, Chris Russell pretty much definitevely said that, based on his conversations with team sources, we're not resigning him, even to a one year prove-it deal. we're ready to move on and so is he[/B].

If thats the case, why on earth would we we rest him so he could get healthy to improve his stock next year for another team. If he's healthy enough to play, he needs to play. thats what we're paying him for.[/quote]

I hope this is true. I don't even care if he lights it up elsewhere...I really don't.

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;866685]theres almost NO CHANCE the skins resign Landry next year; this isnt just my speculation, its the same speculation as others here. Additionally, Chris Russell pretty much definitevely said that, based on his conversations with team sources, we're not resigning him, even to a one year prove-it deal. we're ready to move on and so is he.

If thats the case, why on earth would we we rest him so he could get healthy to improve his stock next year for another team. If he's healthy enough to play, he needs to play. thats what we're paying him for.[/quote]

My only concern with this and getting rid of defensive players (like D. Hall), is that I really don't want for the FO to create holes and have to use a lot of resources on the defense. I know this sounds crazy, but I feel that for the past two seasons (except for picking up T. Williams in the draft) we've been spending our resources (high picks/FAs) on defensive players.

I am done with rebuilding the defense. We've gotten Bowen, Carriker, Cofield, Kerrigan, Wilson, Gomes, Jenkins, and Atogwe over the past two seasons. Haslett needs to figure out what to do with those guys and the carryovers from the previous regime (Fletcher, Hall, Barnes, Riley, etc., etc.).

Shanahan needs a franchise QB, and that's going to cost picks; we need a true #1 WR, and that may cost picks or FA money. We are probably going to need a RT, and that may cost a pick or FA money. The point is that I want to see an emphasis on spending resources on the offense as the team has done with the defense over the past two seasons.

I don't want to see some f*cking retread QB or some low round project QB, I want a franchise QB. I want a solid #1 WR, a solid RT, and some good depth for our line. Hell, we may need even need a TE. I am not saying that we shouldn't get new defensive player, but I don't want to see a first or second rounder spent on a defensive player.

If the team can get Landry to stay at a reasonable price, then keep him. If Mike Shanahan is fine with Hall's antics (which I think he is, otherwise he would have given him the Haynesworth/McNabb treatment) then keep him. Haslett has been given a lot of resources, and he needs to make them work. This isn't like the offense, where we have a patchwork o-line, a starting QB that is at best a backup, and a whole bunch of WRs that are past their prime.

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;867290]My only concern with this and getting rid of defensive players (like D. Hall), is that I really don't want for the FO to create holes and have to use a lot of resources on the defense. I know this sounds crazy, but I feel that for the past two seasons (except for picking up T. Williams in the draft) we've been spending our resources (high picks/FAs) on defensive players.

I am done with rebuilding the defense. We've gotten Bowen, Carriker, Cofield, Kerrigan, Wilson, Gomes, Jenkins, and Atogwe over the past two seasons. Haslett needs to figure out what to do with those guys and the carryovers from the previous regime (Fletcher, Hall, Barnes, Riley, etc., etc.).

Shanahan needs a franchise QB, and that's going to cost picks; we need a true #1 WR, and that may cost picks or FA money. We are probably going to need a RT, and that may cost a pick or FA money. The point is that I want to see an emphasis on spending resources on the offense as the team has done with the defense over the past two seasons.

I don't want to see some f*cking retread QB or some low round project QB, I want a franchise QB. I want a solid #1 WR, a solid RT, and some good depth for our line. Hell, we may need even need a TE. I am not saying that we shouldn't get new defensive player, but I don't want to see a first or second rounder spent on a defensive player.

If the team can get Landry to stay at a reasonable price, then keep him. If Mike Shanahan is fine with Hall's antics (which I think he is, otherwise he would have given him the Haynesworth/McNabb treatment) then keep him. Haslett has been given a lot of resources, and he needs to make them work. This isn't like the offense, where we have a patchwork o-line, a starting QB that is at best a backup, and a whole bunch of WRs that are past their prime.[/quote]


TOTALLY agree 1000000% , I hated our f-ckin personal on our offense 5+ years ago, and I still hate it. Offense needs a complete facelift, starting with our QB we draft with our top pick. Im a super die hard fan, and theres probably less then a handful of things that could ever make me walk away from my squad, but not using our top pick on a QB in next years draft is one of them. Our first 3 pix (AT LEAST) should be all offense. And we need to get a STUD WR in FA. Whoever the top WR is going into FA, we need to get him. Im hearing a lot about Dwayne Bowe being available. If he's the top dog, get him. Pay him (or whoever) the big doe they're asking and get em in hear. Any defensive upgrades should be made via FA and later pix in the draft....PLEASE let us get RGIII in next years draft.....

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[quote=Ruhskins;867290]My only concern with this and getting rid of defensive players (like D. Hall), is that I really don't want for the FO to create holes and have to use a lot of resources on the defense. I know this sounds crazy, but I feel that for the past two seasons (except for picking up T. Williams in the draft) we've been spending our resources (high picks/FAs) on defensive players.

I am done with rebuilding the defense. We've gotten Bowen, Carriker, Cofield, Kerrigan, Wilson, Gomes, Jenkins, and Atogwe over the past two seasons. Haslett needs to figure out what to do with those guys and the carryovers from the previous regime (Fletcher, Hall, Barnes, Riley, etc., etc.).

Shanahan needs a franchise QB, and that's going to cost picks; we need a true #1 WR, and that may cost picks or FA money. We are probably going to need a RT, and that may cost a pick or FA money. The point is that I want to see an emphasis on spending resources on the offense as the team has done with the defense over the past two seasons.

I don't want to see some f*cking retread QB or some low round project QB, I want a franchise QB. I want a solid #1 WR, a solid RT, and some good depth for our line. Hell, we may need even need a TE. I am not saying that we shouldn't get new defensive player, but I don't want to see a first or second rounder spent on a defensive player.

If the team can get Landry to stay at a reasonable price, then keep him. If Mike Shanahan is fine with Hall's antics (which I think he is, otherwise he would have given him the Haynesworth/McNabb treatment) then keep him. Haslett has been given a lot of resources, and he needs to make them work. This isn't like the offense, where we have a patchwork o-line, a starting QB that is at best a backup, and a whole bunch of WRs that are past their prime.[/quote]

Good observation. Spot on.

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[quote=Meks;866645]i'd rather he sits out and startts getting healthy for next year.[/quote]

Isnt that what he did at the end of last year??

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[quote=Ruhskins;867290]My only concern with this and getting rid of defensive players (like D. Hall), is that I really don't want for the FO to create holes and have to use a lot of resources on the defense. I know this sounds crazy, but I feel that for the past two seasons (except for picking up T. Williams in the draft) we've been spending our resources (high picks/FAs) on defensive players.

I am done with rebuilding the defense. We've gotten Bowen, Carriker, Cofield, Kerrigan, Wilson, Gomes, Jenkins, and Atogwe over the past two seasons. Haslett needs to figure out what to do with those guys and the carryovers from the previous regime (Fletcher, Hall, Barnes, Riley, etc., etc.).

Shanahan needs a franchise QB, and that's going to cost picks; we need a true #1 WR, and that may cost picks or FA money. We are probably going to need a RT, and that may cost a pick or FA money. The point is that I want to see an emphasis on spending resources on the offense as the team has done with the defense over the past two seasons.

I don't want to see some f*cking retread QB or some low round project QB, I want a franchise QB. I want a solid #1 WR, a solid RT, and some good depth for our line. Hell, we may need even need a TE. I am not saying that we shouldn't get new defensive player, but I don't want to see a first or second rounder spent on a defensive player.

If the team can get Landry to stay at a reasonable price, then keep him. If Mike Shanahan is fine with Hall's antics (which I think he is, otherwise he would have given him the Haynesworth/McNabb treatment) then keep him. Haslett has been given a lot of resources, and he needs to make them work. This isn't like the offense, where we have a patchwork o-line, a starting QB that is at best a backup, and a whole bunch of WRs that are past their prime.[/quote]Good post.

I understand why fans lump DeAngelo Hall and LaRon Landry together. From an intangibles perspective, I think they both represent what we hate about the Washington Redskins. They act immaturely, they talk a whole lot of crap, and they make mistakes on the field that good players don't make. But I also think that if the Redskins let both of them walk because of the obvious flaws that they both share, the Redskins will be letting one of the better starting players at his position in the NFL walk. Because he shares something negative with one of the lesser starting players at his position.

I could give you 40 examples that the current Redskins' front office structure suffers from consistently poor talent evaluation (even though they would have seem to have outdrafted 31 other teams this April), but if they think DeAngelo Hall and LaRon Landry are on-field equals, you really just need that example to understand that the Redskins cannot evaluate talent.

It's my estimation that Josh Wilson and LaRon Landry could be two very good starters in a very good secondary. And I'm starting to become sold on Kevin Barnes too. But I think our secondary needs a talent infusion any way you look at it, even though the focus of the draft should be on the offensive side.

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[quote=GTripp0012;867379]Good post.

I understand why fans lump DeAngelo Hall and LaRon Landry together. From an intangibles perspective, I think they both represent what we hate about the Washington Redskins. They act immaturely, they talk a whole lot of crap, and they make mistakes on the field that good players don't make. But I also think that if the Redskins let both of them walk because of the obvious flaws that they both share, the Redskins will be letting one of the better starting players at his position in the NFL walk. Because he shares something negative with one of the lesser starting players at his position.

I could give you 40 examples that the current Redskins' front office structure suffers from consistently poor talent evaluation (even though they would have seem to have outdrafted 31 other teams this April), but if they think DeAngelo Hall and LaRon Landry are on-field equals, you really just need that example to understand that the Redskins cannot evaluate talent.

It's my estimation that Josh Wilson and LaRon Landry could be two very good starters in a very good secondary. And I'm starting to become sold on Kevin Barnes too. But I think our secondary needs a talent infusion any way you look at it, even though the focus of the draft should be on the offensive side.[/quote]

Not sure what you're really saying about Landry here? He will never be anything more than a poor man's Roy Williams. But I agree with you in the sense he's neither the sickness nor the cure. We need a top 5 free safety to be our brains in the secondary and challenge QBs. Landry btw has neither the intelligence nor the skill to be that guy.

The shut-down corner would be gravy but FS is the bigger need by far.