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Trade that^ and all of next years picks for Luck.

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All of them.

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[quote=musicmaster45;854396]I think that we should pick a corner near the third round though. maybe the fourth. We need some life in our secondary.[/quote]

I agree completely! I wouldn't mind seeing Brandon Thompson starting the rest of this season then keeping him and doing a complete overall in the offseason with younger players. I'm over D. Hall and his famed 10 yard cushion defense.

But I think we need to draft a Qb first and three straight offensive linemen for depth before we make any other choices.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;854411]So lets see if I'm reading right our draft looks like the following.

1st
2nd
3rd
4th
4th (from Oakland)
5th
6th
6th (From Minnesota)
6th (From New England)
7th

And a likely comp pick for Carlos Rogers.[/quote]

Its weird to be a Redskins fan and ever have to talk about having extra picks. Normally we are talking about what we should do with our 4 selections total that we have.

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[quote=Chico23231;854306]Sucks having still a need for CB, after Carlos leaving and now going to his first probowl. I guess Barnes, PB and Wilson were better options[/quote]

People bashed Carlos for his brick hands but I always said if he is missing ints then he is doing his job.

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[quote=firstdown;854427]People bashed Carlos for his brick hands but I always said if he is missing ints then he is doing his job.[/quote]

He didn't want to be here so F him. I could be wrong, but I don't think SF gave him that much more money.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854430]He didn't want to be here so F him. I could be wrong, but I don't think SF gave him that much more money.[/quote]

Your wrong. Actually got a steal, something like 1 year 4 mil..? Ruhskins, Ill mark you down as for signing Los in the offseason movement. :oink:

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[quote=firstdown;854427]People bashed Carlos for his brick hands but I always said [B]if he is missing ints then he is doing his job[/B].[/quote]

Yeah to a degree, but causing turnovers is also part of his job description.

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[quote=hooskins;854415]Trade that^ and all of next years picks for Luck.[/quote]

Thank you, Mike Ditka.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;854411]So lets see if I'm reading right our draft looks like the following.

1st
2nd
3rd
4th
4th (from Oakland)
5th
6th
6th (From Minnesota)
6th (From New England)
7th

And a likely comp pick for Carlos Rogers.[/quote]

That is nearly correct. The 6th round pick from NE is a 2013 pick. Also, the Skins owe the Cards an unspecified late round pick as part of the trade for Tim Hightower. I assume that we won't have one of either our 7th round or our 6th round pick. That leaves us with 8 picks as things now stand.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854242]I don't understand how any defensive position can be among the top three needs on this team. I think we could always find depth on defense, but as a unit they just need to improve on somethings. I think having a competent offense will cure any defensive ailments. As much as I've criticized the defense, they constantly have to play the short field, spend a lot time on the field, and they rarely get to play with the lead.[/quote]
Agree that any Defensive position is not a top three need , but we do not have a defense good enough to win a title , too soft up front and poor coverage in the back 7 . I do believe that a qb would go a long ways towards us being very competetive .

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[quote=GMScud;854373]Well, agree to disagree on Luck then.

As far as Landry Jones vs RG3... RG3 padded his stats early against the Rice's and Stephen F. Austins of the world. He hasn't been great the past 3 weeks with only 5tds and 4ints. Landry Jones has been torching it lately with 10 tds in the past two games against quality opponents like K-State and Texas Tech. I'm no QB expert, I just like Barkley and Jones better as pro-prospects than I do RG3. I never said I didn't like RG3 btw.

Anyway, I'm not a pro scout so it doesn't really matter, and I'm also not really in the mood to get into a RG3 argument for the sake of satisfying your man-crush on him.[/quote] I'm not sure if we're going to win another game this year. Based on the way the Miami played the Giants yesterday I'm sure they will pull out some wins. Andrew Luck is not off the table yet.

I know you're not qb expert. You didn't dispute not one thing I've said. If you did try it would be baseless. RG3 is a more accurate passer than Landry Jones. He has way more moblity than Landry Jones. Who can dispute that?

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[quote=hooskins;854195]Regardless of how we do it (free agency or draft) the roster is weak and needs to be revamped before next year. What are the positions the Skins need to address during the offseason? (I hate talking next season so early, but I think it is a better way to analyze the situation instead of calling for blood). These are my positions of focus, in order of importance:

[LIST=1][*]QB[*]OL (I guess G and RT first)[*]CB[*]ILB[*]S[*]WR (I actually think we are pretty good in terms of WR, we just need to give them some more time)[/LIST][/quote]

In other words, just about everything we have needed to address for the past 10 years. We have a GM, now we need better or just more of a scouting dept.

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[quote=Landry44;854531]I'm not sure if we're going to win another game this year. Based on the way the Miami played the Giants yesterday I'm sure they will pull out some wins. Andrew Luck is not off the table yet.

[B]I know you're not qb expert[/B]. You didn't dispute not one thing I've said. If you did try it would be baseless. RG3 is a more accurate passer than Landry Jones. He has way more moblity than Landry Jones. Who can dispute that?[/quote]

And I know you're not either. You throw out absolutisms based on a stat sheet. It's boring. And tiring.

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The BIGGEST problem is easily the corners. Easily.

Other than that, we need more size in the middle of our line, they seem to get out muscled way too easily.

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really ? you think we won't win another game ? come on guys .. it's been a rough few weeks no doubt about it .. are we a playoff team, NO .. did injuries play a bigger part than I personally thought pre-buffalo .. YES .. Moss was a big blow to this team along with Cooley ... as far as depth is concerned .. we tried to get depth .. Stallworth (was not a bad signing at the time) .. AA had an amazing season last year, REMEMBER ... Hankerson WE ALL LOVED THAT DRAFT PICK .. Niles Paul will be solid .. Fred Davis is a probowler for the next 5 years ... we had depth we just ran into a buzz saw with all this craziness mixed in with a QB change when we clearly don't have a QB. Blaine Gabbert ? Jake Locker ? Andy Dalton & Cam Newton are bad ass but we didn't have a shot at them ... there were no free agents or trades available except for Kolb, how's that working out ? Shanny/Allen get 5 years plain and simple ... we don't have a choice ... let them do there thing, live with crappy days like Sunday and live with good days that will come .. I still believe we end up 8-8 and end up in the right direction ... all that being said we are 3-4 and tied for 2nd in the NFC East with the division leader facing an absolute brutal schedule. Oh BTW we beat them and get to play Eagles and Cowboys again ... I firmly believe that this team is going to come out strong this week vs SF. Get back to running rock especially with Helu. Hang in there for a few more weeks play .500 ball, hopefully get Moss back for final 5 games and let the chips fall where they may ... Games like the Bills game usually either turn a season around or just dump the entire season into the trash can .. i tend to think that we will turn it around .. Shanny doesn't deserve all the bashing, this roster was a nightmare when they got it and they have been BUILDING a team and it takes time .. 2 years from now we will look back at this season and say wow they went from 6-10 to 8-8, drafted a QB in 2012 loaded with QB's and went 10-6 .... now we are in the Super Bowl .. ahh my vision is money

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[quote=GMScud;854540]And I know you're not either. You throw out absolutisms based on a stat sheet. It's boring. And tiring.[/quote] It's obvious that I know a lot more about qbs than you do. The reason i say that RG3 is more accurate than Landry Jones and Matt Barkley is because of his great touch and ball placement. I'm not suggesting that Jones and Barkley are not accurate passers. They just are not as accurate as RG3. I actually watch college football. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Here is an example.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xURPOglz7hQ]Robert Griffin III vs TCU 2011 - YouTube[/ame]

Matt Barkley vs ASU

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxu0etXIhQ]Matt Barkley vs ASU 2011 - YouTube[/ame]

Landry Jones

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qac9H0SbZf4[/ame]

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[quote=IrMitchell;854541]The BIGGEST problem is easily the corners. Easily.

Other than that, we need more size in the middle of our line, they seem to get out muscled way too easily.[/quote]

QB first, CB second, then the OL. This team needs a Brandon Flowers type CB, someone who can play not pretend to play.

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[quote=Landry44;854543]It's obvious that I know a lot more about qbs than you do. The reason i say that RG3 is more accurate than Landry Jones and Matt Barkley is because of his great touch and ball placement. I'm not suggesting that Jones and Barkley are not accurate passers. They just are not as accurate as RG3. I actually watch college football. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Here is an example.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xURPOglz7hQ]Robert Griffin III vs TCU 2011 - YouTube[/url]

Matt Barkley vs ASU

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxu0etXIhQ]Matt Barkley vs ASU 2011 - YouTube[/url]

Landry Jones

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxu0etXIhQ]Matt Barkley vs ASU 2011 - YouTube[/url][/quote]


Lol. See my post in the 2012 draft class thread. You talk loud and say nothing.

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[quote=GMScud;854545]Lol. See my post in the 2012 draft class thread. You talk loud and say nothing.[/quote]
What exactly are you saying? You haven't made not one valid point. I'm showing what talking about. Is Landry Jones more accurate than RG3? Just say yes or no. Is he more mobile than RG3? Just say yes or no. If you don't disagree with me then what is your argument? If you do, I'll be more than happy to prove you wrong.

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If you had a choice of a Michael Vick type QB or a Tom Brady, who would you take? Brady of course. How many athletic type QB's have won a SB? I can only think of one, Steve Young. Give me a traditional type: Manning, Rothlisberger, Brady, Rogers.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;854551]If you had a choice of a Michael Vick type QB or a Tom Brady, who would you take? Brady of course. How many athletic type QB's have won a SB? I can only think of one, Steve Young. Give me a traditional type: Manning, Rothlisberger, Brady, Rogers.[/quote]

Do you even watch college football? Because it's obvious you don't if you look at RG3 as a Michael Vick type qb. He's one of the best passers in this draft. Go look at his games instead of his skin color, because that's the only thing he got in common with Vick.

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[quote=Landry44;854552]Do you even watch college football? Because it's obvious you don't if you look at RG3 as a Michael Vick type qb. He's one of the best passers in this draft. Go look at his games instead of his skin color, because that's the only thing he got in common with Vick.[/quote]

Have you seen Barkley play? He plays against Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Cal, etc. All big programs and has proven himself too. Race has nothing to do with this.

[url=http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/prospects/qb.html]2012 NFL Draft Prospect Rankings: QB[/url]

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[quote=IrMitchell;854541]The BIGGEST problem is easily the corners. Easily.

Other than that, we need more size in the middle of our line, they seem to get out muscled way too easily.[/quote]

Really? We have a terrible offense, but this is the biggest problem? I really hope ur being sarcastic.

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With the below average QB play so far this season, the Redskins would have been better off keeping Donovan McNabb, and McNabb would have probably played better in his second year in this offense. So Mike Shanahan deserves a ton a criticism for one, trading for McNabb and giving up a second and fourth rounder, and two, not retaining McNabb because neither Grossman or Beck can fill McNabb's shoes.

So, the priority next offseason is definitely a quarterback. Mike Shanahan also deserves even more criticism because he should have known that John Beck or Rex Grossman were average QB, far below the Tom Brady's, Peyton Mannings, and Matt Schuabs of the world.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;854500][B]That is nearly correct[/B]. The 6th round pick from NE is a 2013 pick. Also, the Skins owe the Cards an unspecified late round pick as part of the trade for Tim Hightower. I assume that we won't have one of either our 7th round or our 6th round pick. That leaves us with 8 picks as things now stand.[/quote]

.....................f**k you

:D

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;854551]If you had a choice of a Michael Vick type QB or a Tom Brady, who would you take? Brady of course. How many athletic type QB's have won a SB? I can only think of one, Steve Young. Give me a traditional type: Manning, Rothlisberger, Brady, Rogers.[/quote]

Roethlisberger is not a "traditional" QB.

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[quote=Landry44;854550]What exactly are you saying? You haven't made not one valid point. I'm showing what talking about. Is Landry Jones more accurate than RG3? Just say yes or no. Is he more mobile than RG3? Just say yes or no. If you don't disagree with me then what is your argument? If you do, I'll be more than happy to prove you wrong.[/quote]

So you're like a self-proclaimed college football watching qb guru, huh? RG3 has a better completion percentage, thanks in large part to an early season schedule of cupcakes. Like I said earlier, his last three games have been pretty underwhelming. And yes, he runs better than Jones. And like I said all along (and you agreed so I really don't see what your deal is) Jones is the better pro prospect. You're excruciating.

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[quote=IrMitchell;854541]The BIGGEST problem is easily the corners. Easily.

Other than that, we need more size in the middle of our line, they seem to get out muscled way too easily.[/quote]

We get shut out and you blame it on the corners?

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;854558]With the below average QB play so far this season, the Redskins would have been better off keeping Donovan McNabb, and McNabb would have probably played better in his second year in this offense. So Mike Shanahan deserves a ton a criticism for one, trading for McNabb and giving up a second and fourth rounder, and two, not retaining McNabb because neither Grossman or Beck can fill McNabb's shoes.

So, the priority next offseason is definitely a quarterback. Mike Shanahan also deserves even more criticism because he should have known that John Beck or Rex Grossman were average QB, far below the Tom Brady's, Peyton Mannings, and Matt Schuabs of the world.[/quote]

The man got his ass benched for a rookie who has the same amount of time and experience to learn a new offense. The bitch even tried to hype up the new relationship with Musgrave as much better than his with Kyle's because Musgrave supposedly tailored the offense to his strengths. And he still got his ass benched...

And actually, Musgrave probably ran a WCO, so he should have been comfy in that offense.

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It starts in the trenches.....solidify the lines. We are getting dominated on both sides of the ball on the lines.
We have the picks and the $$ under the cap to address this and other needs in the off-season.

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Our biggest and most important upgrade we need is without a doubt:


1) [U][B]The Fans[/B][/U] - I keep hearing how Redskins fans are some of the most intelligent out of the NFL, but I simply don't see it. (probably same throughout the league) I see a good many who are just as knee jerk reactionary about this team as our lousy owner is. What kills me the most is these same people are probably the same ones bashing Snyder for doing exactly what they are doing. /facepalm



2) [U][B]QB[/B][/U]- The most important position on the field. QB play can make lesser talent look better and make better talent look worse. It hasn't been all of our QBs fault, but it certainly needs to be upgraded big time.


3)[B][U]OL[/U][/B] - We are seeing what happens when injuries occur on the OL front. The line had been playing well for most of the year, but we seriously need some more depth and upgrades in the OL. I do think people are overlooking the injuries.

4) [U][B]WR[/B][/U]- Hard to tell if our receivers are part of the problem or it's QB play. We are in dire need of a big time play maker though. If it's a QB problem, then you can move this down the list.

5) [B][U]CBs[/U][/B]- Time to trade D. Hall in for somebody with less mouth and more action.



This team really has so many needs. I think people's expectations went too high with the early wins and great off-season. This team still lacks a ton of talent from top to bottom. We are however getting there.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;854247]QB
WR
OL

Are our top 3 BY Far.. We have no talent at WR it's crazy to think we can win games with these guys we have now[/quote]

Exactly. ... Qb is obv.... And WR isn't too far behind. ZERO talent other than Moss

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[quote=NC_Skins;854612]Our biggest and most important upgrade we need is without a doubt:


1) [U][B]The Fans[/B][/U] - I keep hearing how Redskins fans are some of the most intelligent out of the NFL, but I simply don't see it. (probably same throughout the league) I see a good many who are just as knee jerk reactionary about this team as our lousy owner is. What kills me the most is these same people are probably the same ones bashing Snyder for doing exactly what they are doing. /facepalm



2) [U][B]QB[/B][/U]- The most important position on the field. QB play can make lesser talent look better and make better talent look worse. It hasn't been all of our QBs fault, but it certainly needs to be upgraded big time.


3)[B][U]OL[/U][/B] - We are seeing what happens when injuries occur on the OL front. The line had been playing well for most of the year, but we seriously need some more depth and upgrades in the OL. I do think people are overlooking the injuries.

4) [U][B]WR[/B][/U]- Hard to tell if our receivers are part of the problem or it's QB play. We are in dire need of a big time play maker though. If it's a QB problem, then you can move this down the list.

5) [B][U]CBs[/U][/B]- Time to trade D. Hall in for somebody with less mouth and more action.



This team really has so many needs. I think people's expectations went too high with the early wins and great off-season. This team still lacks a ton of talent from top to bottom. We are however getting there.[/quote]

I agree CB is an issue. But Wilson and Barnes are having bad game after bad game. PB hasnt seen the field and has proven to be a waste of roster space so far. But yet we need to trade D. Hall? He's not having a bad year. Im more frustrated we let Carlos go, gave Wilson money and drafted this POS Barnes in the first place.

Also funny are these ideas that trades are just easily made.

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This team needs a Brandon Flowers type CB, not the pretend CB's we have.

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Yep, trade all the fans to the Colorado Rockies.

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[quote=Chico23231;854617]I agree CB is an issue. But Wilson and Barnes are having bad game after bad game. PB hasnt seen the field and has proven to be a waste of roster space so far. But yet we need to trade D. Hall? He's not having a bad year. Im more frustrated we let Carlos go, gave Wilson money and drafted this POS Barnes in the first place.

Also funny are these ideas that trades are just easily made.[/quote]


I wasn't insinuating we "trade" him. I said "trade him in". As in, get rid of the bad part and pick up a newer better part(whether we cut/trade/draft/etc). I agree, it's not just D. Hall stinking up the joint in the secondary, but he gets the most emphasis because he runs his mouth the most. If you want the limelight, be prepared to get burned by as well.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;854619]This team needs a [B]Brandon Flowers [/B]type CB, not the pretend CB's we have.[/quote]

I mentioned him last week. he was really showing his ass last night in front of a national audience. Guy has turned into a very solid player.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;854560].....................f**k you

:D[/quote]

Are you the sensitive type? OK, then how about this: You did very, very well my little Dirt dude! You got almost everything right, so I gave you a B+ which is nearly an A! Keep working hard and I just know you'll get an A+ next time.

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I don't think we have the best secondary and it needs improvement, especially in depth, but it is not anywhere near the top of our problem areas. Any changes in defense this offseason should focus on depth and bringing in young players that could be starters in the near future (such as replacements for Atogwe, Hall).

Shanahan needs to focus on building up the offense first and foremost. We probably would have few complaints about the defense if the offense could put together a decent game.