Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;851526]It's been 2 seasons tripp, this team was one of the worst talent wise 3 years ago.. Hey I'm w you I hate losing and shit is getting old but even though I rant and rave and say F the skins during the game I love em like a family member and I'll be patient as I've been for 20 years.. It'll pay off[/quote]Forget three years ago, this team is one of the worst talented now.

I don't mind losing if losing is productive in the big picture. Losing isn't fun but watching young guys do well is. We have one young guy playing at a high level: Kerrigan. With pretty much the whole roster being in it's prime, the results are as good as they will get under this leadership. Adding a quarterback in the draft wouldn't have changed the result of today's game unless we could have jumped on them early. No matter what the gameplan ultimately is, you have to be able to throw the ball early to get a lead.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;851531]You are 100% wrong on Cooley and Moss bro[/quote]

yeah you going to tell me cooley is going to start over davis? no

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;851392]Goat, I wouldn't say Plax is "killing it" Great game today, but before today he was doing no better than Gaffney[/quote]

Word I was being unclear. On the bigger picture tho, I think anyone would argue Plax has the bigger upside than Gaffney or Stallworth, and if the Shanaplan was to give veterans plenty of action anyway why not get the big dog?

With Moss out are we gonna give the young guys more reps to develop? Or just see Gaffney and Stallworth on the field together more? It's back to the rebuild vs win now uncertainty. And I realize I'm painting this picture too black and white because certainly we can try for "balance" and play rookies alongside vets, but then let's get the best damn vets out there.

T Owens would be the best active WR on the roster (assuming his knee is basically healed) if we signed him tomorrow...just saying.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;851532]Forget three years ago, this team is one of the worst talented now.

I don't mind losing if losing is productive in the big picture. Losing isn't fun but watching young guys do well is. We have one young guy playing at a high level: Kerrigan. With pretty much the whole roster being in it's prime, the results are as good as they will get under this leadership. Adding a quarterback in the draft wouldn't have changed the result of today's game unless we could have jumped on them early. No matter what the gameplan ultimately is, you have to be able to throw the ball early to get a lead.[/quote]

That's what I'm saying, MS had John Beck god bless him but John Beck to lead the team, lets be real he won't be the guy next season unless he goes Crazy and takes us to the playoffs. I wouldn't say we r that bad off talent wise..

Orakpo
Kerrigan
Fletch OLD BUT STILL
Hall- Solid player
Landry
Atogwe
F Davis
Hightower
T Williams
Coefield
j Brown

Are all starters for many teams in the NFL.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;851531]You are 100% wrong on Cooley and Moss bro[/quote]

You can switch Davis for Cooley, I like both and both will for sure have a spot on the roster next year. Thats one position I like our depth.

Moss wont start next year? Who else could possibly replace him, no one else on our roster. Doubt the Skins are going to draft two more receivers.

I also said those would be MY picks. Didnt say everyone else had to agree.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;851541]That's what I'm saying, MS had John Beck god bless him but John Beck to lead the team, lets be real he won't be the guy next season unless he goes Crazy and takes us to the playoffs. I wouldn't say we r that bad off talent wise..

Orakpo
Kerrigan
Fletch OLD BUT STILL
Hall- Solid player
Landry
Atogwe
F Davis
Hightower
T Williams
Coefield
j Brown

Are all starters for many teams in the NFL.[/quote]I think you could go 11 deep in NFL names for any team in the NFL. To prove this point, I will try to do this for the Jaguars.

Jones-Drew
Mike Thomas
Monroe
M. Lewis
Pozluszny
Clint Session
Daryl Smith
Alualu
Knighton
Rashean Mathis
Dawan Landry
and Gabbert

My point is the Jags aren't good at all, but they have a core of talent just as strong as ours.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;851527]My Smackdown goes to the lack of overall talent on the team.

Here are my locks for the 2012 starting lineup if I was coach/gm. All the spots that are left blank I feel like are open to having new starters. Plus we still need depth across the board. I like our LG too, but the injury he had was pretty serious.

DE - BOWEN
NT - COFIELD
DE - JENKINS
OLB - ORAKPO
MLB - FLETCHER
MLB -
OLB - KERRIGAN
CB -
SS - LANDRY
FS - OTOGWE
CB -

WR - MOSS
WR -
LT - WILLIAMS
LG -
C - MONTGOMERY
RG - CHRIS CHESTER
RT -
TE - COOLEY
RB -
FB - YOUNG
QB -[/quote]

Keep Cofield and bench Fred Davis? Have you watched any of our games?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;851545]I think you could go 11 deep in NFL names for any team in the NFL. To prove this point, I will try to do this for the Jaguars.

Jones-Drew
Mike Thomas
Monroe
M. Lewis
Pozluszny
Clint Session
Daryl Smith
Alualu
Knighton
Rashean Mathis
Dawan Landry
and Gabbert

My point is the Jags aren't good at all, but they have a core of talent just as strong as ours.[/quote]


I agree bro we are what our record says we r 3-3 avg at best and prob a 7-8 win team

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=The Goat;851546]Keep Cofield and bench Fred Davis? Have you watched any of our games?[/quote]

I already said in a previous post:

You can switch Davis for Cooley, I like both and both will for sure have a spot on the roster next year. Thats one position I like our depth.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;851531]You are 100% wrong on Cooley and Moss bro[/quote]

Thank you..... Cooley, sad stop riding that horse..... Cooley fans are so sad

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

Smootsmack, any word on whether or not shanahan gets fired at years end if we don't do well this year? I'm hoping he sticks it out for our full rebuild. But I'm getting nervous with the media starting to grumble for his head...

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

I can't imagine Mike getting axed. Kyle on the other hand could be reassigned, but as GTtripp has pointed out this all-in-the-family coaching situation is dicey.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;851471]How many Belichick have without Tom Brady? How many did Bill Walsh have without Montana and Young? How many did Tony Dungy have without Peyton Manning?[/quote]

Seriously. Or Noll without Bradshaw? Jimmy Johnson without Aikman? Does Marv Levy win 4 straight AFC Championships without Jim Kelly?

It's actually one of the most impressive things about Gibbs 1.0- 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QB's, none of whom were all that great overall.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

Guys please stop the Fire MS talk

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[quote=The Goat;851558]I can't imagine Mike getting axed. Kyle on the other hand could be reassigned, but as GTtripp has pointed out this all-in-the-family coaching situation is dicey.[/quote]

Snyder has fired people for 8-8 seasons. You don't think he would?

I think Kyle is actual a really good coordinator, but his play calling is suspect and will be suspect up until we draft and sign players that fit his system.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;851560]Guys please stop the Fire MS talk[/quote]

When do [I]you[/I] think he'll get canned? ;)

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=mbedner3420;851562]Snyder has fired people for 8-8 seasons. You don't think he would?

I think Kyle is actual a really good coordinator, but his play calling is suspect and will be suspect up until we draft and sign players that fit his system.[/quote]


No bcuz DS wanted MS for years

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;851560]Guys please stop the Fire MS talk[/quote]

Trust me, I want hm to stay, but D. Snyder has fired coaches with better records... You have to wonder.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=mbedner3420;851562]Snyder has fired people for 8-8 seasons. You don't think he would?

I think Kyle is actual a really good coordinator, but [B]his play calling is suspect and will be suspect up until we draft and sign players that fit his system[/B].[/quote]

At this rate...he'll build a winner sometime after 2020 hehe

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

I've got my watch set. That seems roughly in time for a bad labor dispute.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

You guys are tripping...this team is as good as it was last year and it can only get better. Plus now we have a real coach and a real GM. We are building for the future though so is everyone else and no one knows what it will look like.

HTTR but be sure to not invest too much.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=mbedner3420;851565]Trust me, I want hm to stay, but D. Snyder has fired coaches with better records... You have to wonder.[/quote]


If we would have kept Marty this team would be SD east, I'm still mad about that

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=saden1;851569]You guys are tripping...this team is as good as it was last year and it can only get better. Plus now we have a real coach and a real GM. We are building for the future though so is everyone else and no one knows that it will look like.

HTTR but be sure to not invest too much.[/quote]Your definitions of building and of future are a lot looser than mine. I'm sure were doing something that justifies the last two weeks. Right?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;851568]I've got my watch set. That seems roughly in time for a bad labor dispute.[/quote]


Why didn't we offer Brees 100M 5 years ago?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

We are making steps at becoming a solid, sound football team. Last year's draft was the best I have ever witnessed in my entire life as a Redskins fan. We looked like a bunch of clowns this week and last week but look at the big picture. We are a better team than we were last year. We will continue to improve if we just keep a g**damned coaching staff longer than 3 years. I have been saying this since Shottenheimer! Bruce Allen is doing great. The Shannys arent going anywhere. If for some reason you are on a bandwagon get off right now because we need to be in this for the long haul. I want to see all of our coaches fufill their contracts for just once! Sound drafting, continuity, and moving forward wins super bowls.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

Snyder/Redskins better keep MS for the remainder of his contract. The talent level on this team when he was hired was severely lacking. It takes years to build a team. And KS's system worked in Houston very well so its about getting the players that have the talent to succeed in that system. We get a QB and a big time receiver and we are in business.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;851572]Why didn't we offer Brees 100M 5 years ago?[/quote]Salary Cap would have prevented that. We also wanted to see what we had in Campbell. Plus, I don't know if our doctors would have signed off on him. We were a playoff team at the time.

The Saints had nothing to lose.

I don't know if the Drew Brees of the Schottenheimer era would have turned this offense around anyway. Payton and Brees are a fantastic duo, but I don't know if it would have worked here.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=Stuck in TX;851573]We are making steps at becoming a solid, sound football team. Last year's draft was the best I have ever witnessed in my entire life as a Redskins fan. We looked like a bunch of clowns this week and last week but look at the big picture. We are a better team than we were last year. We will continue to improve if we just keep a g**damned coaching staff longer than 3 years. I have been saying this since Shottenheimer! Bruce Allen is doing great. The Shannys arent going anywhere. If for some reason you are on a bandwagon get off right now because we need to be in this for the long haul. I want to see all of our coaches fufill their contracts for just once! Sound drafting, continuity, and moving forward wins super bowls.[/quote]

God, I hope you are right! I want a perrenial winner in DC again. Keep Shanahan!

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;851575]Salary Cap would have prevented that. We also wanted to see what we had in Campbell. Plus, I don't know if our doctors would have signed off on him. We were a playoff team at the time.

The Saints had nothing to lose.

I don't know if the Drew Brees of the Schottenheimer era would have turned this offense around anyway. Payton and Brees are a fantastic duo, but I don't know if it would have worked here.[/quote]


I know but damn I hate missing out on QBs

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=mbedner3420;851576]God, I hope you are right! I want a perrenial winner in DC again. Keep Shanahan![/quote]


Packers, Steelers, Colts, and even the Lions are products of continuity.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

There's always Favre.

/nihlism.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=mbedner3420;851557]Smootsmack, any word on whether or not shanahan gets fired at years end if we don't do well this year? I'm hoping he sticks it out for our full rebuild. But I'm getting nervous with the media starting to grumble for his head...[/quote]

Let me answer for Smootsmack- Hell no. I'll be the first to admit, MS has bungled the QB situation to an extent. However, look at the steamy pile of ish of a football team he was handed. An old, crappy roster bereft of speed and talent. You can't turn that around in 22 regular season games. We're getting younger and faster, but this team was so badly in the toilet when the current coaching staff took over. You don't hire a 2x Super Bowl champ only to fire him so quickly.

Things take time. And for god's sake, he's 3-3 not 0-6.

Also, who in the media is calling for Shanny's head?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GMScud;851587]Let me answer for Smootsmack- Hell no. I'll be the first to admit, MS has bungled the QB situation to an extent. However, look at the steamy pile of ish of a football team he was handed. An old, crappy roster bereft of speed and talent. You can't turn that around in 22 regular season games. We're getting younger and faster, but this team was so badly in the toilet when the current coaching staff took over. You don't hire a 2x Super Bowl champ only to fire him so quickly.

Things take time. And for god's sake, he's 3-3 not 0-6.

Also, who in the media is calling for Shanny's head?[/quote]

Jason Reid will be tomorrow in the WaPo you can bet. And most of the DJs on 106.7 (not they really matter). But when you hear so many voices saying the same thing, you get concerned...

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GMScud;851587]Let me answer for Smootsmack- Hell no. I'll be the first to admit, MS has bungled the QB situation to an extent. However, look at the steamy pile of ish of a football team he was handed. An old, crappy roster bereft of speed and talent. You can't turn that around in 22 regular season games. We're getting younger and faster, but this team was so badly in the toilet when the current coaching staff took over. You don't hire a 2x Super Bowl champ only to fire him so quickly.

Things take time. And for god's sake, he's 3-3 not 0-6.

Also, who in the media is calling for Shanny's head?[/quote]

Thank you.

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[quote=mbedner3420;851594]Jason Reid will be tomorrow in the WaPo you can bet. And most of the DJs on 106.7 (not they really matter). But when you hear so many voices saying the same thing, you get concerned...[/quote]

First of all, The Junkies are a bunch of losers. They aren't sports media. They're local crap. And Jason Reid? Really? The same guy who SWORE the fix was in all summer long and that there was absolutely no question John Beck was going to be the opening day starter? LOL. That guy isn't even worth reading. He's absolutely terrible.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GMScud;851596]First of all, The Junkies are a bunch of losers. They aren't sports media. They're local crap. And Jason Reid? Really? The same guy who SWORE the fix was in all summer long and that there was absolutely no question John Beck was going to be the opening day starter? LOL. That guy isn't even worth reading. He's absolutely terrible.[/quote]

Oh trust me, I know, but like I said, I get worried given the way coaches are so easily cut loose in this town. I just desperately want continuity and get nervous we won't have that if we have a bad season.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;851487]I do think Kyle runs the ball to keep the defense honest. And that style of offense works in the NFL. Except when John Beck and Rex Grossman are your quarterbacks, and Santana Moss and Jabar Gaffney are your receivers. Then you just look dumb out there every week.[/quote]

I've never agreed with you more than on the last two posts of yours

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;851487]I do think Kyle runs the ball to keep the defense honest. And that style of offense works in the NFL. Except when John Beck and Rex Grossman are your quarterbacks, and Santana Moss and Jabar Gaffney are your receivers. Then you just look dumb out there every week.[/quote]


Talk about QB's whens the last time we had a true go to WR???? WESTBROOK? lol

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

You asked me this same question last spring. Answer is still no. In a previous life I worked with those 106.7 guys. Totally unprofessional group of people. The stories I could tell you...are not for a family site like this one

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[quote=skinsfaninok;851599]Talk about QB's whens the last time we had a true go to WR???? WESTBROOK? lol[/quote]

When was wesbrook considered a go to receiv... Oh I see what you did there.