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[quote=Lotus;848682]Yes, brutal call. What really got me was that Vick intentionally grounded. So even if Rak got flagged for his hit, it still should have been offsetting penalties.

It should have been a safety but instead Philly got a free first down. Ugh.[/quote]


IMO that was the turning point, they went on to roll us up after that drive

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[quote=skinsfaninok;848685]IMO that was the turning point, they went on to roll us up after that drive[/quote]

I felt that way at first, but sorry, the D has to step up, that's not an excuse for them to then rattle of a long TD drive. At some point you have to stop them on that drive.

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Rex - I was in the "if it ain't broke" camp with Rex. But this game was the last straw, I'm done with this guy for good. It's not even the picks per se. It's the fact that Rex has zero game management skills. It's like he's playing Madden from his couch.. against the computer!! That pick in the 3rd right after we intercepted Vince was UNACCEPTABLE. If Rex was a gunslinging rookie I'd cut him some slack. But to see that from a veteran QB tells me there's no hope with this guy. I'm done with his care-free out-of-shape attitude. I can't think of a single scenario where I want to see Rex start again. I'd rather watch Beck throw 7 picks.

D - better in the 2nd half but we got steamrolled in the first half. It was a mini version of last year. And how do we not stop McCoy in the last 2 minutes??? Everyone knows he's getting the ball but we're still powerless. Weak. Eagles deserve some credit they ran a good game plan but still... our D is not there yet.

McIntosh - very bad game right after one of his best games. See chicken pic above.

Secondary - sucks. Can't understand why we're giving 15-yard cushions on 30-yard passes. I like Josh Wilson but he took a step back yesterday. Landry is the best cover guy in our secondary and that's a scary thought.

Refs - won't blame the refs for this loss but that call on Orakpo sucked ass. Changed the whole momentum of the game too.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;848321]This is no surprise anymore.....and I've got a HUGE problem with that. I don't know what the hell he's getting paid, but it's too much. If you aren't evaluating the opponent's weaknesses and preparing your gameplan to exploit those weaknesses you should be fired immediately.

This piss-poor playcalling/gameplanning is becoming a trend. If it doesn't improve before mid-season, MS needs to either take the OC reigns and minimize KS's role or get rid of him. This is not difficult to fix, I could fix it tomorrow.[/quote]

I agree totally. Kyle seems not to do much homework. Maybe I was spoiled by Joe Gibbs and his work ethic but this is ridiculous. If it's the Eagles you smash mouth them, period. He think he is in the AFC South and preparing his offense to keep up with Peyton Manning every week. No wonder houston never won a playoff game while Kyle was OC. Kyle is lacking on credentials.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;848680]Agreed. He reminded me of this:

[IMG]http://ayllax.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/rocky-chicken-150x150.jpg[/IMG]

Just replace McIntosh with Balboa and chicken with McCoy.[/quote]

lolololololol

If you could get a skins jersey on Balboa, that pic could be avatar-worthy.

That represents the entire team trying to catch McCoy after yesterday's performance.


I think its hilarious that Reid has the second best RB in the league behind Peterson and I dont think he realizes it.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;848695]Rex - I was in the "if it ain't broke" camp with Rex. But this game was the last straw, I'm done with this guy for good. It's not even the picks per se. It's the fact that Rex has zero game management skills. It's like he's playing Madden from his couch.. against the computer!! That pick in the 3rd right after we intercepted Vince was UNACCEPTABLE. If Rex was a gunslinging rookie I'd cut him some slack. But to see that from a veteran QB tells me there's no hope with this guy. I'm done with his care-free out-of-shape attitude. I can't think of a single scenario where I want to see Rex start again. I'd rather watch Beck throw 7 picks.

D - better in the 2nd half but we got steamrolled in the first half. It was a mini version of last year. And how do we not stop McCoy in the last 2 minutes??? Everyone knows he's getting the ball but we're still powerless. Weak. Eagles deserve some credit they ran a good game plan but still... our D is not there yet.

McIntosh - very bad game right after one of his best games. See chicken pic above.

Secondary - sucks. Can't understand why we're giving 15-yard cushions on 30-yard passes. I like Josh Wilson but he took a step back yesterday. Landry is the best cover guy in our secondary and that's a scary thought.

Refs - won't blame the refs for this loss but that call on Orakpo sucked ass. Changed the whole momentum of the game too.[/quote]

Personally I'm not done with Rex yet. He is a solid option at QB and you can't underestimate experience with an offensive system. With that said Beck will hopefully give us not only the mobility and options off playaction but he will cut down on mistakes. If I recall correctly Rex was turning the ball over a little under twice a game since last year.

Still this was the upside of having Rex and Beck at QB. You can yank one without causing a huge distraction. I have barely heard anything on ESPN or NFLN about who will start for the Redskins next week. Compare that to last year when we benched McNabb for a series.

Anyway here's to hoping that Beck is a late bloomer. Until Silverback comes back we're going to need more from our starting QB.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;848756] Until Silverback comes back we're going to need more from our starting QB.[/quote]

Really good point that no one is really discussing with the OL injuries. Grossman is a statue and Beck is very mobile. With Kory L. done for the year and Trent out potentially a few weeks, you have to take that into consideration regarding the QB.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;848692]I felt that way at first, but sorry, the D has to step up, that's not an excuse for them to then rattle of a long TD drive. At some point you have to stop them on that drive.[/quote]

kinda hard wen they are holding on every single play and not getting.called.for.it..... like we were all game ...

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[quote=GTripp0012;848317]The biggest issue here is that the Redskins really shouldn't have been gearing up to compete in the NFC East and trying to convince people that they could do so with John Beck and Rex Grossman. 3-2 puts this team ahead of schedule, all things considered. And if the Redskins themselves hadn't allowed expectations to get unreasonable, we'd be talking about this team the same way as the Cincinnati Bengals, as an overachiever.

But while 3-2 is a decent start, it's not a good enough start to overcome the total lack of an offense. The Shanahan's should come out and explicitly say that they are building an offense that they can count on for next year. [B]Play Austin. Play Hankerson. Play Davis. We're wasting time with veterans who are hurting us in the short term and have no long term value. And I just don't understand it.[/B]

Half of the wins by the Eagles and Cowboys have come against the Redskins. The Cardinals and Rams have combined for one win. The Giants win is still the clear outlier, but this team isn't good. It's a product of it's schedule.[/quote]

They're trying to win now. That's why we're seeing Stallworth and Gaffney. I don't agree with it either. Glad to at least see Austin and Paul get in there. But it's very clear that MS wants the younger guys to earn it in practice and right now now they're not.

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Nice break down Smoot. I honeslty saw two passes of Grossmans that the WR's failed to make a play on. Davis is the biggie for me. Why? cause of all the "I love Davis" fans who were ready to ship Cooley out, Davis is a big guy who does have nice hands but apparently not in traffic. I was sooo pissed the didn't run over the defender and take the ball out of the air.

My second issue is Beck was not 100x better then Grossman. He definitly didn't practice all week with the WRs but the defense didn't game plan around him either. He had a few dirt balls and a few over throws, and not different then Grossman the WR's were not helping either QB out very much with the dropped balls.

For whatever reason the run was not there this week even when we had all the starters in. This is what I was afraid of.... is why I said we need to get the ball beyond their DL with either screen passes or slants. I didn't see a screen pass until the 4th quarter and it worked for a 1st down. I don't recall any slants.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;848670]Rex Grossman had a terrible game yesterday - - he deserved to be pulled.

The defense as a whole was "less than fully satisfactory" yesterday.

Here is something that bothered the Hell out of me in the 4th quarter...

The Skins had the ball with less than 9 minutes to play down 2 TDs. Last year - - and during training camp this year - - we all got to listen to lectures from the coaching staff about the importance of "offensive tempo".

OK, go watch yesterday's late 4th quarter and point out to me two plays where the "offensive tempo" was anything more than sleepwalking. Smoot lays down Smack; I am calling bulls[p]it on Mike Shanahan's lectures on "offensive tempo".[INDENT][B]Memo to Coach Shanahan:[/B] If tempo means anything at all, you will be demoting a few guys from the offensive unit this week and delivering a few 10-EEE suppositories to several other guys.
[/INDENT][/quote]

Yeah. I'm not a Beck finatic but I was glad he came in and was able to do a little something. But was pissed me off more then anything was he came in with 12 min. to go of the game ..... and only musterd 2 drives? Where was the 2 min. drill? I'm expecting Payton Manning from either Grossman or Beck in the second yr of their tenure, no huddle offense drive the ball and we get more McNabb...... huddle up.... huddle up...... huddle up. Fail on the 2 min. drill.

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[quote=skinsfan69;848785]They're trying to win now. That's why we're seeing Stallworth and Gaffney. I don't agree with it either. Glad to at least see Austin and Paul get in there. But it's very clear that MS wants the younger guys to earn it in practice and right now now they're not.[/quote]

In the long run this will make the younger guys better players.

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Although the defense played well in the 2nd half,we needed a stop at the end and they ran it down our throat! We didnt even make them work for it,10 yards on first down when were stacking the line to stop the run is pretty bad

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[quote=SBXVII;848788]Yeah. I'm not a Beck finatic but I was glad he came in and was able to do a little something. But was pissed me off more then anything was he came in with 12 min. to go of the game ..... and only musterd 2 drives? [B]Where was the 2 min. drill?[/B] I'm expecting Payton Manning from either Grossman or Beck in the second yr of their tenure, no huddle offense drive the ball and we get more McNabb...... huddle up.... huddle up...... huddle up. Fail on the 2 min. drill.[/quote]

The offense should've been in two-minute drill mode since Beck took over (a quarter too late IMO).

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Well, one thing is definitely certain. If Shanahan rolls with rex grossman this upcoming week, we can throw that story of Jake the Snakes saying that Mike Shanahan is unreasonable, is a perfectionist and demands perfection from his quarterbacks right out the fvcking window, lol.

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[quote=Ruhskins;848792]The offense should've been in two-minute drill mode since Beck took over (a quarter too late IMO).[/quote]

Totally agree with you. But in other games I have not seen a decent 2 min drill out of this team. I was screaming at the TV watching the OL slowly get up, slowly walk to the huddle, slowly walk to the line, and not hike the ball for like 10 seconds. Or they didn't huddle and would slowly walk to the line and stand there looking around, the WR would trott back to the LOC, slowly set up and again waist 10 seconds with out hiking the ball.

I just didn't get it. Maybe they just are not there yet as a team, maybe it will come next year, but what I'm afraid is this is just not the coaching staffs style. I'd like to see a team put on this field that acts like the Colts when they are down and run a no huddle and win a game but for whatever reason the Skins never have this. It's always slow and methodical.

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[quote=SBXVII;848798]Totally agree with you. But in other games I have not seen a decent 2 min drill out of this team. I was screaming at the TV watching the OL slowly get up, slowly walk to the huddle, slowly walk to the line, and not hike the ball for like 10 seconds. Or they didn't huddle and would slowly walk to the line and stand there looking around, the WR would trott back to the LOC, slowly set up and again waist 10 seconds with out hiking the ball.

I just didn't get it. Maybe they just are not there yet as a team, maybe it will come next year, but what I'm afraid is this is just not the coaching staffs style. I'd like to see a team put on this field that acts like the Colts when they are down and run a no huddle and win a game but for whatever reason the Skins never have this. It's always slow and methodical.[/quote]

Shanahan should show the team the 4th quarter of the Pats/Cowturds game. Brady was running a semi-no-huddle the whole quarter, and was running a straight up no-huddle at the end. The Cowgirls defense was gasping for air at the end.

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[quote=htownskinfan;848791]Although the defense played well in the 2nd half,we needed a stop at the end and they ran it down our throat! We didnt even make them work for it,10 yards on first down when were stacking the line to stop the run is pretty bad[/quote]

Definitely true. As a whole though, if you can hold that offense to 20 or less, you've got to win that game. Especially if it's the second half you shut them down in. Unacceptable to not score 21 against that Defensive. I said before the game that if we did 3 specific things that we would win 21-17. We only did 1 of them and the big one was Rex playing mistake free. The definitely did not happen and we still had a shot their at the end. Not to impressed by the Eagles Dream Team. We should beat them next time.

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[quote=Mechanix544;848794]Well, one thing is definitely certain. If Shanahan rolls with rex grossman this upcoming week, we can throw that story of Jake the Snakes saying that Mike Shanahan is unreasonable, is a perfectionist and demands perfection from his quarterbacks right out the fvcking window, lol.[/quote]


I hope for everyones sake Beck comes and lights it up if they decide to go with him because half of you are not happy with Grossman and are Beck lovers and if he lets you all down..... your going to be very dissapointed/ dipressed and the rest of us will hear how this team sucks and the coaching staff needs to go. Instead of trying something different like continuity.

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[quote=Ruhskins;848799]Shanahan should show the team the 4th quarter of the Pats/Cowturds game. Brady was running a semi-no-huddle the whole quarter, and was running a straight up no-huddle at the end. The Cowgirls defense was gasping for air at the end.[/quote]

and this might be what the Skins will have to do in order to keep the cowboys off balance. I know the quick score puts your defense right back on the field but if we can get up by a couple scores then maybe we can slow the system down and run, run, run to eat up clock and give the defense a break. Especially since this is supposed to be a pass first offense.

[QUOTE=Lotus;848682]Yes, brutal call. What really got me was that Vick intentionally grounded. So even if Rak got flagged for his hit, it still should have been offsetting penalties.

It should have been a safety but instead Philly got a free first down. Ugh.[/QUOTE]

Changed the game ...

[QUOTE=Meks;848780]kinda hard wen they are holding on every single play and not getting.called.for.it..... like we were all game ...[/QUOTE]

Yes, thank you. I was yelling at the TV the entire game.

I want to send a thank you letter to Jim Harbaugh for acting like he just lost his virginity after the 49ers beat Detroit. Even though it's was a minor altercation, the media eats that stuff up and it dominated headlines. I was prepared for the usual 30 minutes of Mike Vick praise and oral favors given by Tom and Boomer. Thank god for over zealous hand shakes.

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[quote=hooskins;848894]Yes, thank you. I was yelling at the TV the entire game.[/quote]

yea it was really hard to watch in person... refs performing felacio to eagles was disgusting.

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[quote=Bucket;848790]In the long run this will make the younger guys better players.[/quote]

I'll leave that up to the coaches. But at some point they have to get these guys on the field. Maybe when we're out of playoff contention.

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[quote=SBXVII;848788]Yeah. I'm not a Beck finatic but I was glad he came in and was able to do a little something. But was pissed me off more then anything was he came in with 12 min. to go of the game ..... and only musterd 2 drives? Where was the 2 min. drill? I'm expecting Payton Manning from either Grossman or Beck in the second yr of their tenure, no huddle offense drive the ball and we get more McNabb...... huddle up.... huddle up...... huddle up. Fail on the 2 min. drill.[/quote]

I was annoyed by that too, and Fox's commentators noted it as well. Gotta figure that it was largely due to Beck not having regular reps w/the 1st team. Still, your backup should be able to come in & run the 2 minute offense. I wonder if Shanny was trying to give the D more rest & figured that Beck would be more successful at the regular pace.

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"The other three interceptions, I'd have to go back and watch them again, but from what I saw it was all on Rex. All on him trying to make a play. And why was he trying to make a play? Because of...."


I would point out on the one to FD in the redzone was his fault as well. I noticed watching the game he stopped and let the safety move up. He needed to keep his route going and cross the safety, which is where Rex threw the ball. I know he threw 4 picks, two of which should not have been. THe last one on the side line, I haven't seen from the angle he had, but it looked pretty bad.

Saying that, I wouldn't make a change in QB this week. I still think Rex is the starting QB. There were SEVERAL drops as well that would have kept drives alive. Unfortunately Rex and all other QB's take the heat most of the time. I'd say give him a half, see how he plays and if its not good or he is still pressing and making bad decisions, then you put Beck in for the entire 2nd half.

By not switching him now, it may give him a little needed confidence. If he believes the coach has his back, and isn't benching him then maybe he'll have a hell of week and play really well. Time will tell. Who knows what the Shanny's have in mind.

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A QB that needs a benching to get motivated is not worth it. He may bounce back the following game but will eventually fall right back into his natural rhythm. Blaming the loss to the Eagles on the receivers is really stretching it to protect Grossman and the coach who started him. Its not like all those picks bounced out of our hands.

It makes very good sense to start Beck at Carolina. IMO.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvJZcIy9_hw]Grossman Four Interceptions 10/16/11[/url]

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[quote=44ever;848987][B]A QB that needs a benching to get motivated is not worth it.[/B] He may bounce back the following game but will eventually fall right back into his natural rhythm. Blaming the loss to the Eagles on the receivers is really stretching it to protect Grossman and the coach who started him. Its not like all those picks bounced out of our hands.

It makes very good sense to start Beck at Carolina. IMO.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvJZcIy9_hw"]Grossman Four Interceptions 10/16/11[/URL][/quote]

Don't tell Joe Theismann.......

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The first INT.. If you watch, he has Moss 1 on 1 underneath and it looked like Moss was going to be wide open.

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[quote=Bucket;849073]The first INT.. If you watch, he has Moss 1 on 1 underneath and it looked like Moss was going to be wide open.[/quote]

True. But it is also true that on the first INT, if Davis had just fought for the ball at its highest point, he likely would have had a touchdown.

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the loss? .

1/4 Rex
1/4 first half d
1/4 drops/receivers, o-line,
1/4 piss poor officiating..

Kyle's piss poor play calling is the salt that sprinkles on the whole dish just add that taste of shit.

simple as that honestly

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[quote=Meks;849104]the loss? .

1/4 Rex
1/4 first half d
1/4 drops/receivers, o-line,
1/4 piss poor officiating

simple as that honestly[/quote]

Add the playcalling by Kyle to that list.

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Absolutley ... how could that slip my mind. piss poor.

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Funny with everyone focused on who's in at QB we fail to put the attention on who's going to be at what spot on the OL? Especially LT.

Lickensteiger(SP) is out for the season now and Hurt is being brought up from the practice squad. I'll assume Montgomery is back at Center and possibly Hurt is LG, but who fills in for TW while he's out with the high ankle?

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[quote=SBXVII;849164]Funny with everyone focused on who's in at QB we fail to put the attention on who's going to be at what spot on the OL? Especially LT.

Lickensteiger(SP) is out for the season now and Hurt is being brought up from the practice squad. I'll assume Montgomery is back at Center and possibly Hurt is LG, but who fills in for TW while he's out with the high ankle?[/quote]

Look for Cook to stay at center and Monty at LG.

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Locklear will play left tackle. As far as the LG and C, it will be montgomery and cook i guessing. I doubt they move Brown over to left since he hasn't played there in a year and half.

Willie Smith could get activated. And then let's just hope no mo get hurt...see what I did there?

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The play calling was horrible. The execution was horrendous Rex and Kyle are my goats.

Someone posted stats of other good quarterbacks (Brady, Brees, Manning, ...) that throw a lot of interceptions but statistics alone don't describe the horrible interceptions T-Rex throws. You watch the replay and you wonder what is he looking at or if he is looking at all. It seems as though at pre-snap, he predetermines where he is throwing. Just like the throw that ended Cooley's season. Didn't he see the linebacker right there. He threw it anyway. Get the receiver killed pass. One time Santana had slipped on his cut and was on the ground. T-Rex threw it anyway. Didn't he see that the receiver had slipped. What the hell is he looking at. I don't know if Beck is the answer but T-Rex body of work is enough for the team to go in a different direction.

The Redskins play calling is become very predictable. I thought the Eagles out-coached the Skins on both sides of the ball. The Eagles obviously had an offensive game plan to counteract the Redskin tendency to over-pursue on defense. They ran misdirection running plays, play-action passes, misdirection screen plays and shuttle passes to counter the Skins aggressiveness. On defense, the Eagles were forcing the Skins to pass. They knew that T-Rex was not going to beat them. Meanwhile, they maintained gap control on the Skins only running play. Come'on Kyle, show some imagination on offense.

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[quote=Lotus;849100]True. But it is also true that on the first INT, if Davis had just fought for the ball at its highest point, he likely would have had a touchdown.[/quote]

Sometimes it is the interceptions that are the worse, its the lack of field vision and the incredible cockiness to force the ball into double and triple coverage, repeatedly. On the first interception, there were three defenders around Davis, Santana had single coverage underneath and was breaking wide open. T-Rex has been doing this his whole career. He isn't changing.