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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;598014]I was thinking the same thing but I didn't want to take #21 down :([/quote]I think we should be allowed honorary mutineer status with our avatars.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;598011]Was working earlier, so I'm a little slow on the uptake, can I still be part of the avatar mutiny with my avatar as it is? :)[/quote]

Nope!

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Unlike my previous post stated, the Avatar Mutiny is voluntary. LOL. Although if you have an attachment to your avatars, that's understandable.

So back to the goaline play....didn't Zorn realize that the Lions would KNOW that they were going to run to the left???!!! I mean come on, you have freaking Chris Cooley on your team, let Campbell throw it to him!!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;598018]I think we should be allowed honorary mutineer status with our avatars.[/quote]

Well I do have #21 in my sig. Avatar is changing...

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;598026]Well I do have #21 in my sig. Avatar is changing...[/quote]

That's the spirit!

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Even a moron like myself, who only played high school football and worked at Mcdonalds can see that our Defensive schemes this year are Vanilla Pudding! Soft and extra sweet!

Man we look horrendous out there today! We made the Rookie look like Payton Manning.

Blache hates to be criticized and get very sensitive when anyone questions his scheme.

They guys is full of himself and boy do I miss Gregg Williams and His fire and Attack defense. It's disappeared. We can't get a pass rush and every time we blitz, it seems like everyone gets picked up!

We are in trouble as a whole!

Where is Jimmy Johnson? How about them Redskins!!! LOL.

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Watching the video of Blache on Redskins.com. :doh:

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Just saw the video myself and the one that really stood out was the one with Kelly Johnson and the players in the locker room. They are throwing themselves under the bus. Specially are two AWESOME CORNERS!!! (sarcasm)
Toast 1 and Toast 2 said that we have players thinking they are better than they are! Could they be talking of themselves? Cause they sure stunk the place up today as they have the first 2 games.

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Even a McDonald's worker knows how bad losing to the 0-19 lions is.

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After what a jackass Blache was on a perfectly reasonable question from Trevor Matich a few weeks back, I want to see him assume a good share of blame for this fiasco. His defense is LOUSY on 3rd down after three games.

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Blache is still trying to coach you line up across from the man in front of you and you block him. That crap doesn't work any more with the blocking schemes that the offense has now and the way they can spread your defense out. The NFL game has change to help the offense put up more points. Oh but so far it's not helping our offense because we don't take many shots down the field.

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Watching this display of "let me sit back and let a rookie dismantle us" defense, I couldn't help but wonder when Greg Blache starts getting on the hot seat attention. He has taken a once very aggressive, pressure built defense into a cover 2 bend not break kind of defense. Its absolutely incredible to have a rookie QB in his 3rd game pick us apart on 3rd down. They were something like 8 for 10 on 3rd down, that is unheard of. GW would have never let that happen. It would have been a constant diet of
blitz packages to confuse the kid and force him to make quick reads and get rid of the ball. I would be ashamed if I was him. He is also going to piss off his corners with remarks like "I didn't want to leave anyone by them selves against him" (referring to Calvin Johnson). what kind of confidence booster is that! freaking amazing they would rather have a rookie QB sit back in the pocket and pick apart a once proud D, than leave
Calvin one on one against a corner.

Blache...if you pressure the quarterback, they, especially rookies, with crap Oline and not so good receivers, you may get a turnover, a sack, an incomplete on 3rd down. I can't believe this shit, I am still steaming this morning.

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The only surprising thing is that it took a loss against the Lions to blow up the "we've got a great defense" myth. I can't even count the number of times someone in the media or on the team spouted off that the Redskins were the 4th rated defense in 2008, as if that made them elite. It is as if people do not have eyes in their head. Hell, even last week people were talking about how they "only" gave up 7 points to the Rams.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;597970]Well if you are a good coach you bring the best out of average players and make good players better. We were stopping teams on 3rd down a few years ago with the same players and we supposedly upgraded this year. Come again!![/quote]

You are assuming as Redskins have for the last decade, that we have quality talent instead of over paid players. That is a big assumption. Good players make good plays. Good players stop receivers. Good players don't play 10 yards off because they are afraid they will get beat. Good players make tackles.

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[quote=#56fanatic;598147]Watching this display of "let me sit back and let a rookie dismantle us" defense, I couldn't help but wonder when Greg Blache starts getting on the hot seat attention. He has taken a once very aggressive, pressure built defense into a cover 2 bend not break kind of defense. Its absolutely incredible to have a rookie QB in his 3rd game pick us apart on 3rd down. They were something like 8 for 10 on 3rd down, that is unheard of. GW would have never let that happen. It would have been a constant diet of
blitz packages to confuse the kid and force him to make quick reads and get rid of the ball. I would be ashamed if I was him. He is also going to piss off his corners with remarks like "I didn't want to leave anyone by them selves against him" (referring to Calvin Johnson). what kind of confidence booster is that! freaking amazing they would rather have a rookie QB sit back in the pocket and pick apart a once proud D, than leave
Calvin one on one against a corner.

Blache...if you pressure the quarterback, they, especially rookies, with crap Oline and not so good receivers, you may get a turnover, a sack, an incomplete on 3rd down. I can't believe this shit, I am still steaming this morning.[/quote]

I agree...sort of. There should have been more blitzing. But he's in a tough position of coaching a defense where he has to try and keep the score down cause of an offense that has no ability to score points. My guess is that he ( and the rest of the defensive coaches) don't want to take chances because of this.

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Since the defense has been the only thing we could hang our hat on for years, I will give them a pass.

Also, at the end of the day, they only gave up 19 points and 4 of those were given to Detroit by the head coach.

The long drives are troubling but honestly, if you hold the Lions to 19 points, you should be able to win that game.

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I think it's time to forget about what the defense has done in the past and focus on what they're doing now, and that's not much.

They can't get off the field right now on 3rd downs, they've given up 100 yard rushers in back to back weeks, and the overall effort seems uninspired and lazy. There's a lot of blame to go around right now, nobody gets a pass in my book.

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[quote=Mattyk72;598270]I think it's time to forget about what the defense has done in the past and focus on what they're doing now, and that's not much.

They can't get off the field right now on 3rd downs, they've given up 100 yard rushers in back to back weeks, and the overall effort seems uninspired and lazy. There's a lot of blame to go around right now, nobody gets a pass in my book.[/quote]

Flashy free agent signings and predominantly drafting skill positions are no way to build a team. I think the Skins have proven that by now. The next 3 drafts should be dedicated to drafting O-Line, D-Line, Linebackers and a franchise QB. Get a new coach and new GM and come up with a 3 year plan to restore this team to greatness... or at least to being respectable.

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[quote=Mattyk72;598270]I think it's time to forget about what the defense has done in the past and focus on what they're doing now, and that's not much.

They can't get off the field right now on 3rd downs, they've given up 100 yard rushers in back to back weeks, and the overall effort seems uninspired and lazy. There's a lot of blame to go around right now, nobody gets a pass in my book.[/quote]


Ok that is fair. So let's start with the top. Send a message and fire the head coach. He is incompetent and when you want to change a culture, you get rid of the leader. Blache can go to, I really don't care, but at least he has proven over several years that he can effectively lead a defensive group.

Zorn, had never led jacksh-- before he was handed the job last year and we are paying for it every week. Once the league got some tape on him and figured out his tendencies, his offense has been castrated by good and bad teams.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;598283]Ok that is fair. So let's start with the top. Send a message and fire the head coach. He is incompetent and when you want to change a culture, you get rid of the leader. Blache can go to, I really don't care, but at least he has proven over several years that he can effectively lead a defensive group.

Zorn, had never led jacksh-- before he was handed the job last year and we are paying for it every week. Once the league got some tape on him and figured out his tendencies, his offense has been castrated by good and bad teams.[/quote]

Send a message and start at the real top. Fire Vonny Cerrato for putting this team together. I vaguely remember him saying two years ago that he was accountable. Pay back is a bitch.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;598283]Ok that is fair. So let's start with the top. Send a message and fire the head coach. He is incompetent and when you want to change a culture, you get rid of the leader. Blache can go to, I really don't care, but at least he has proven over several years that he can effectively lead a defensive group.

Zorn, had never led jacksh-- before he was handed the job last year and we are paying for it every week. Once the league got some tape on him and figured out his tendencies, his offense has been castrated by good and bad teams.[/quote]

Firing anyone right now is a little too reactionary and knee-jerk for my taste.

If we're sitting at 1-6 at the bye, ok, I might understand firing someone. But even then, it's not going to help us this year.

The best thing we can hope for is Zorn gets this ship righted, somehow. If not you clean house the day after the season ends and go from there.

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[quote=Mattyk72;598286]Firing anyone right now is a little too reactionary and knee-jerk for my taste.

If we're sitting at 1-6 at the bye, ok, I might understand firing someone. But even then, it's not going to help us this year.

The best thing we can hope for is Zorn gets this ship righted, somehow. If not you clean house the day after the season ends and go from there.[/quote]


I just don't see it happening. Zorn is getting worse at game management. He makes Jerry Glanville look like Joe Gibbs version 2.

He isn't coaching the games like they are his last, he is coaching every play like it is his last.

He is crumbling under the pressure right before our eyes and I do not believe in just throwing away a season, not when it could be saved.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;598284]Send a message and start at the real top. Fire Vonny Cerrato for putting this team together. I vaguely remember him saying two years ago that he was accountable. Pay back is a bitch.[/quote]

I may be in the minority but I am not that unhappy with Vinny's moves since Gibbs left.

I think he has assembled a lot of talented players and the coaches are not effectively using them.

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[quote=Mattyk72;598270][B]I think it's time to forget about what the defense has done in the past and focus on what they're doing now, and that's not much[/B].

They can't get off the field right now on 3rd downs, they've given up 100 yard rushers in back to back weeks, and the overall effort seems uninspired and lazy. There's a lot of blame to go around right now, nobody gets a pass in my book.[/quote]

Exactly. I think the "D" gets a pass from some people because

#1 They've been good in the past
#2 The offense is having trouble scoring

Neither one is an excuse for giving up so many first downs and not being able to get off the field. Our defense doesn't worry anyone. Not even the Lions. They had scoring drives of 99-74-86, and 85 yards. That is pathetic.

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[quote=Patfisher37;598048]Just saw the video myself and the one that really stood out was the one with Kelly Johnson and the players in the locker room. They are throwing themselves under the bus. [B]Specially are two AWESOME CORNERS!!! (sarcasm)[/B]
Toast 1 and Toast 2 said that we have players thinking they are better than they are! Could they be talking of themselves? Cause they sure stunk the place up today as they have the first 2 games.[/quote]

Our corners played well. Look at how long Stafford had to throw on so many plays, including his 21 yrd. run. The coverage on the td was tight too. Sure, they got beat on some plays but they held C. Johnson under 50 yards. We need a pass rush!

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Blanche is definitely partially to blame for this unacceptable loss to the Lions. A so-called top defense does not allow the hapless Lions these types of long scoring drives. There is no excuse for not being able to get off the field when necessary. The Lions had long sustained drives and that cannot be explained. If you can't get off the field against the Lions, what about the Cowboys, Eagles, Giants...

1st QTR
99 yards, 12 plays, possession 5:50, 21 yd touchdown pass

2nd QTR
74 yards, 11 plays, possession 5:26, 39 yd field goal
86 yards, 18 plays, possession 6:53, 26 yd field goal

4th QTR
85 yards, 8 plays, possession 3:44, 2 yd touchdown run

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;598284]Send a message and start at the real top. Fire Vonny Cerrato for putting this team together. I vaguely remember him saying two years ago that he was accountable. Pay back is a bitch.[/quote]

Not to mention that, by all accounts, Zorn was a Vinny hire. He made a strong push for the guy. Failure by Zorn is failure by Vinny, even apart from his personnel decisions.

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We need to tackle a helluva lot better!

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I said several times this summer that I expected this defense to fall in statistical categories, give up more yards, but also get more turnovers. So far, everything but the turnovers is coming to fruition.

By the end of last year, this defense wasn't that good. I know they were often on the field a long time, but they couldn't stop below avg. offenses like Baltimore & S.F. when it counted. Statistically, last year they were overachievers, but there were several games when the team needed a big stop & they couldn't do it.

I think Blache has a decent fundamental system, but his blitzing is so obvious; watch the safefites & LBs before a play; 90% of the time whoever creeps up to the line is the one blitzing! There's no element of confusion that GW's defenses had, when QBs didn't know which guys were coming. That is coaching & is all on Blache.

Another problem in all 3 games this year; the D plays so much better in the 2nd half. It's as if it takes a whole half for them to warm up & make adjustments. They gave up 275 yards (terrible) in the 1st half yesterday, 106 (great) in the second. That's not a sign of a well coached, well prepared team.

I'm not saying Blache should be replaced, but I think it's obvious that at times like this the HC needs to assert himself on the DC & let him know that he's got to make some changes, even if they're minor. Can Zorn do that? I'm not sure.

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[quote=GTripp0012;597993]Rogers has always struggled with the biggest, most physical of wide receivers, but Bryant Johnson now qualifies? Really?

Something has to be wrong with him. He's just not winning his jams at the line of scrimmage and even when he's running step for step down the field he's not in good position. He's not right.[/quote]

How can we he jam someone when Blache has him 10 yards off the line of scrimmage?

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;597478]I questioned whether the defense would take a step back after Greg Williams left. The first year not so much. Blache stuck with most of the schemes Greg Williams used and our defense played decent. Greg used to rush the CBs and the safeties. It seems like he is doing less of that this year. We go with older lineman over more talented youth. Our Dbs play 10 yards off the ball. We only rush 4 D lineman. We put Orakpo at LB where is he a liability in coverage instead of using him on the D line.

We aren't good at tackling. Our secondary scheme sucks and we get no pressure on the QB so it makes the job even harder for the secondary. Has Blache not realized that "The Orakpo Experiment" is not working. You only hear his name during the game when he lines up as a rushers. I just feel like Blache is stubborn and has moved away from the Greg Williams scheme because he has become full of himself.

Someone commented and said that Greg Blache said that sacks are overrated. That tells of him being so full of himself that he thinks his schemes are better than common sense when it comes to football. At one point in the first half the Lions were 9-11 on 3rd down conversions. We can stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We have our issues on offense. But our D has underachieved by a long shot.

If your players are having problems tackling you make them work on it. If what you are doing is not working adapt and try something else. You can't keep doing the same things and expect different results. We go out and sign AH, draft Orakpo and pay D Hall all this money and our defense gets worse. Go figure!![/quote]


Can't blame Blache for the FO paying out gobs of dough for our FAs. Can't blame Blache when our DBs are getting beat. The poor bastard only can be effective as the talent on the field allows him to be. As for Zorn, the guy can't coach period. Lousy playcalling for sure, but let's face it, the WCO is archaic, a fossil, from the 80's-early 90's. Not only that but he is working with Gibbs personnel that was brought in here for a long ball air game. Can't put square blocks into round holes. Thomas, Kelly, and even Mitchell will be wastes of space with the WCO. Could you imagine this trio if Gibbs offense or even Norv's was still in place? Bottom line is I agree with Matty, everyone is at fault, even JC. Sure the system sucks, but players still need to execute. JC had a big game, but watching him in person, he was a lot less poised than Stafford, still threw dangerous passes(lucky he didn't get picked 3-4 times), and looked like he was out of it at times(3-4 lost snaps). All in all the team from top to bottom is mediocre and I hate to say it although I laughed at the Sporting News preseason 4-12 prediction, unless the ship is righted soon that is going to be a reality!!!!

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;598323]Blanche is definitely partially to blame for this unacceptable loss to the Lions. A so-called top defense does not allow the hapless Lions these types of long scoring drives. There is no excuse for not being able to get off the field when necessary. The Lions had long sustained drives and that cannot be explained. If you can't get off the field against the Lions, what about the Cowboys, Eagles, Giants...

1st QTR
99 yards, 12 plays, possession 5:50, 21 yd touchdown pass

2nd QTR
74 yards, 11 plays, possession 5:26, 39 yd field goal
86 yards, 18 plays, possession 6:53, 26 yd field goal

4th QTR
85 yards, 8 plays, possession 3:44, 2 yd touchdown run[/quote]

I think the first drive ending in a touchdown needs an asterisk because the defense had stopped them.

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[quote=freddyg12;598319]Our corners played well. Look at how long Stafford had to throw on so many plays, including his 21 yrd. run. The coverage on the td was tight too. Sure, they got beat on some plays but they held C. Johnson under 50 yards. We need a pass rush![/quote]Well, the one thing that Blache's scheme did well yesterday was that it marginalized Calvin Johnson, who is their best weapon. But he also gambled that his run defense could make the Lions force Stafford to put it up, and he lost that one badly.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;598361]I think the first drive ending in a touchdown needs an asterisk because the defense had stopped them.[/quote]Pretty sure we didn't stop anyone yesterday.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;598187]You are assuming as Redskins have for the last decade, that we have quality talent instead of over paid players. That is a big assumption. Good players make good plays. Good players stop receivers. Good players don't play 10 yards off because they are afraid they will get beat. Good players make tackles.[/quote]

Does a coach just implement scheme? Should they teach technique? Do they just draw up X's and O's and say go out there and execute. No you put your players in a position to suceed. My comment was this. A good coach makes average players better. Makes a good player excel. You know your players weaknesses and put them in a posiiton where they are not exploited. IF they aren't tackling well you teach them the proper technique. If they are a defensive lineman you teach them moves to get pass offensive lineman. You try to make your players better. They still have to go out there and make plays. I am not saying that all our players are pro bowl caliber. Coach Gibbs used to make players better. That's why he won 3 superbowls. That's what you do when you are a [B]good[/B] coach on defense or otherwise. If you are a coach you tell your players to play closer to the line of scrimmage. Or do the players call all the shots on defense and call their own plays and coach themselves on how to get better? If so why do we need Blache?

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[quote=GTripp0012;598367]Well, the one thing that Blache's scheme did well yesterday was that it marginalized Calvin Johnson, who is their best weapon. But he also gambled that his run defense could make the Lions force Stafford to put it up, and he lost that one badly.[/quote]

GT, what's your take on the difference between halves, 1st half: Lions 275 yrs, 2nd half: 106. 3rd downs: 1st half: 8 of 10 ? 2nd: 1 of 6

Was there any significant adjustment, did they play harder?

This is a trend so far this year.

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[quote=freddyg12;598422]GT, what's your take on the difference between halves, 1st half: Lions 275 yrs, 2nd half: 106. 3rd downs: 1st half: 8 of 10 ? 2nd: 1 of 6

Was there any significant adjustment, did they play harder?

This is a trend so far this year.[/quote]Kevin Smith's injury made the third downs a much longer proposition. That was the biggest difference.

Redskins got to Stafford a few times in the second half, virtually nothing on him all of the first half.

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[quote=GTripp0012;598429]Kevin Smith's injury made the third downs a much longer proposition. That was the biggest difference.

Redskins got to Stafford a few times in the second half, virtually nothing on him all of the first half.[/quote]

Smith definitely found cutback lanes that Morris & the rook didn't. When you do your game review I'll be interested to see if you notice any adjustments. I thought it looked like they were just bringing Horton & Doughty up more, but overall it just seems like they play harder in the 2nd half after they've dug a whole for themselves.

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Not sure why blach is taking so much heat. After 3 games our O has scored 30 points which is 10 per game. 14 of those points came after the game was pretty much over and teams where playing prevent which with our O does not make much sense. So if we take off those 14 points we have scored 16 points at a little over 5 per game. That works out to be a little over 1 point per qtr. but some how our problem are on Blach.

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I definitely agree that if Kevin Smith didn't get hurt the game would not have been as close because they would have chewed up more of the time on the clock when they were already dominating the clock.