Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=FRPLG;578670]I think Mitchell is making it real hard or coaches. I am pretty sure they felt DJ would snatch the 5 spot and it would be done but [B]Mitchell is showing not just "pre-season scrub" goodness but he actually looks like he could help us out this year.[/B] His route on the TD was outstanding and that is a hard route to perfect. He has size and speed. Unless he craps the bed I don't see how we can't keep him on the roster.[/quote]

Absolutely agree. This guy could add a lot to our receiving corps and could be a force in the redzone. Plus the combinations on 4 WR sets blows ones mind.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

The more I think about it he more amazed I am. We haven't had a WR who could run that fade route like that since when?

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

We did offer Hackett contracts before which he turned down.

Nonetheless I'm with Smootsmack. Hackett is not just going to be handed the job. On that note, he didn't help himself a lot tonight.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=FRPLG;578692]The more I think about it he more amazed I am. We haven't had a WR who could run that fade route like that since when?[/quote]

It seems like forever. I didn't think we still had it in the playbook. :)

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=53Fan;578702]It seems like forever. I didn't think we still had it in the playbook. :)[/quote]

Yeah I couldn't remember the last time we actually worked a fade route for a touchdown with a tall wideout like that. And I agree, he ran a good route, he was patient at the beginning to give Daniels a little more time and it was a great leaping catch. He definitely impressed me tonight. I actually wouldn't be that concerned if he wasn't that good on special teams because so far he's looked like a dependable guy with reliable hands who runs decent routes. We could use another guy like that. Plus he's 6'4 which doesn't hurt either, especially down by the end zone.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=mooby;578708]Yeah [B]I couldn't remember the last time we actually worked a fade route for a touchdown with a tall wideout like that.[/B] And I agree, he ran a good route, he was patient at the beginning to give Daniels a little more time and it was a great leaping catch. He definitely impressed me tonight. I actually wouldn't be that concerned if he wasn't that good on special teams because so far he's looked like a dependable guy with reliable hands who runs decent routes. We could use another guy like that. Plus he's 6'4 which doesn't hurt either, especially down by the end zone.[/quote]

Me too! If Mitchell continues to excel next two games, then I would have hard time not to believe that Mitchell will take the #5 spot..

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

Mitchell looked good I think he really helped his cause tonight

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

thought he looked great

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

someone, other then Moss, that made some plays. isn't that what football is all about? he might have won himself a job last night

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

Anyone think that Devin Thomas has looked better then MM yet? You hear nothing but great things about both of them in practice, but Mitchell has looked better in both games, imo. How funny would it be if MM was the 5th and didnt play on teams, and DT was 3rd or 4th and did?

Right now i think its:
Moss
Kelly
El
Thomas
Mitchell

The other problem with keeping Mitchell if he cant contribute on special teams is that the only other WR who really can is Thomas, especially if El gets pulled from punt returns. Will be interesting to see what happens, especially considering how awful our special teams have looked. Im pulling for him though

Re: Depth Chart: 5 receivers
 

[quote=tryfuhl;578173]Didn't we offer Hackett a contract earlier in the year but then he had "personal reasons" that he couldn't be here for awhile after his workout/ota's or whatever?[/quote]

I think I remember this too. I just remember him turning us down.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=53Fan;578685]Absolutely agree. This guy could add a lot to our receiving corps and could be a force in the redzone. Plus the combinations on 4 WR sets blows ones mind.[/quote]

Exactly. Mitchell & Kelly with there size. We have 2 redzone threats and good hands receviers we could have for years to come. Compared to Hackett who has reached his upside and is not that impressive..

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

I think what's important now that Mitchell is in the mix (remember last year it was all about Anthony Mix, but I digress) is the real possibility that Moss will get nicked up and may not play all 16 games. With that in mind, it's really important that one of these guys (Thoms, Kelly, Mitchell) show stud potential soon and hopefully is capable of grabbing 6-8 balls in any given game.

This is more than an audition for a roster spot in my mind, we could be looking at the number one or number two guy given Santana's hamstring history.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

I'm officially on board with Marko after his performance Sat. night. He could be one of those guys you end up wondering just how he slipped to the 7th round.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

Marko Colston?

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=Mattyk72;579121]I'm officially on board with Marko after his performance Sat. night. He could be one of those guys you end up wondering just how he slipped to the 7th round.[/quote]

Ditto. Forget #5 WR, he could be a #3 or 4.

He looks like a Plax Burress or an old version of Ochocinco without the mental issues. Tall WR who will go over anyone and catch everything.

He's definitely making the team. He could make an impact for us this year.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

Competition is good come on young WR's.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

Ok, so now Vinny is making better picks in the latter rounds with Marko this year and Horton last year. If he keeps this up I'll stop bad mouthing him. Vinny, please draft a tackle in the first or seventh round.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;579224]Ok, so now Vinny is making better picks in the latter rounds with Marko this year and Horton last year. If he keeps this up I'll stop bad mouthing him. Vinny, please draft a tackle in the first or seventh round.[/quote]

Seriously???...Marko is already such a proven commodity to you that you're locking him in as a great pick?

How about you see if he makes the team first and then let him crack the third string wideout spot before you anoint him a selection comparable to Horton.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

2 really good reads on M Mich, Big Fase 100, LL, or MM:

"This guy's awesome," Smoot said. "He can play. I think why we love him is because he's scrappy. Two of us have already jumped on him, vets, [and] he fought us good and back, and we like that. We like that, man. Usually when a football player likes another football player, you mess with him....I think he's a guy that can step in and help us. He's a competitor, he's 6-4, he can run and he can catch, he fights for the ball. That's all you need, and play with some passion, and you can play in the NFL."

As for the scoring play, teammates said Mitchell and Malcolm Kelly have been staying after practice with a variety of quarterbacks to work on fade routes, and that paid off on the third-quarter red zone play, when Mitchell easily out-leaped his man for the ball.
[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/08/marko_mitchell_is_lanky_living.html"]D.C. Sports Bog - Marko Mitchell is Lanky Livingston[/URL]



Santana on LL:
"Marko was doing his thing all camp," top wideout Santana Moss said. "They [Washington's defensive backs] have a hard time with him. All the DBs, they talk about him every day.

"When you've got a guy like Marko, he's before his time," Moss said. "You can look at the way he handles himself. I mean, yeah, he's young, but he can play football."
[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/moss-says-mitchell-was-the-tal.html"][COLOR=#810081]Redskins Insider - Moss Says Mitchell Was the Talk of Camp[/COLOR][/URL]

I am officially putting him above Devin Thomas on my WR conceptual depth chart.

So i have:

Moss
Kelly
El
LL
Thomas

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;579232]Seriously???...Marko is already such a proven commodity to you that you're locking him in as a great pick?

How about you see if he makes the team first and then let him crack the third string wideout spot before you anoint him a selection comparable to Horton.[/quote]

Yeah I am. I wouldn't have taken the time to post if I didn't believe it. How about you lean back, open your mouth, and picture me rolling.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;579245]Yeah I am. I wouldn't have taken the time to post if I didn't believe it. How about you lean back, open your mouth, and picture me rolling.[/quote]

Well, you're rollin' on ecstasy if you think that Marko is what you're making him out to be. IF he makes the team he'd barely get any PT at wideout.

You better hope your boy is a better tackler on special teams than a receiver, 'cause he's not making this team without special teams assistance.


Keep drinking up the imaginary preseason hype...I hear people get really dehydrated when their rollin'.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;579248]Well, you're rollin' on ecstasy if you think that Marko is what you're making him out to be. IF he makes the team he'd barely get any PT at wideout.

You better hope your boy is a better tackler on special teams than a receiver, 'cause he's not making this team without special teams assistance.


[B]Keep drinking up the imaginary preseason hype[/B]...I hear people get really dehydrated when their rollin'.[/quote]

We'll see. I thought ecstasy came in a pill?

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

Not better than our top 4 yet, but I think he deserves a try for #5. He'll probably need a year or two to develop, but great potential for a big & fast guy. Compared to the other #5's we're considering - he dwarfs them & is still actually pretty fast.

40 yard times
[B]MM (LL) -- 6'4" @ 4.49
[/B]Hackett -- 6'2" @ ?? couldn't find it
Eloi -- 5'10" @ 4.34
Hagans 5'10" @ 4.53

S.Moss -- 5'10" @ 4.31
ARE -- 5'10" @ 4.49
D.Thomas - 6'2 @ 4.40
M.Kelly -- 6'4" @ 4.68*

For comparison:
Anthony Mix -- 6'4" @ 4.51
Terrell Owens -- 6'3" @ 4.36
Plaxico Burress -- 6'5" @ 4.6

Interestingly, Usain Bolt would run about a 4.35 according to this article:
[url=http://speedendurance.com/2009/08/06/40-yard-dash-times-for-usain-bolt-and-ben-johnson/]40 Yard Dash Times for Usain Bolt and Ben Johnson | SpeedEndurance.com[/url]

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

You guys are kidding right? MM won't make the team. He's gotten all his catches against second stringers. HA...HA. Come on say it "Touche." LOL. ;) Gotcha all back for all the "Mason won't make the team." and "Mason got all his yrds against second stringers."

Honestly though. I like Marco Mitchell. I know I'm stretching it a bit but I actually like his smoothness. His instinct. Moss is undeniably the #1 WR. ARE should be relegated to 3rd. and to be frank I could actually see Marco being the #2. I like DT but he had a poor showing SAT night. Kelly looks to have surpassed him on the route running and sure hands. but if Marco keeps catching everything also I would almost move him to #2 and put Kelly at #3. I know I'll get blasted by the ARE fans or the fans who think ARE walks on water but as much as I like him he doesn't impress me.

For the future I could see Moss, Mitchell, Kelly, and Thomas. I guess ARE would be somewhere in between there.

Lastly.....what is LL? Why are people using LL to refer to Marco and why are some putting it next to his name ie; Mitchell (LL)?

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

Never mind. I see someone is refering him to Lanky Livingston which no one knows. Kinda stupid I guess. I kept thinking Laron Landry.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

LL -- lanky livingson

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=SBXVII;579422]Never mind. I see someone is refering him to Lanky Livingston which no one knows. Kinda stupid I guess. I kept thinking Laron Landry.[/quote]

It's a Smoot thing.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=Mattyk72;579121]I'm officially on board with Marko after his performance Sat. night. He could be one of those guys you end up wondering just how he slipped to the 7th round.[/quote]


Granted it was a third stringer but that cornerback had zero chance on that ball.

If Mitchell is a contributor this year I think the Vinny haters may need to start crafting their apology...

Horton = The Predator
Kelly = NFL ready
Orakpo = Disgusting
Fred Davis = basically won the game the other night
Tryon = Isn't ready for prime time yet but will get significant time this year
Barnes = Rookie corner who bounced back and will get better
Thomas = Biggest disappointment but getting better and NFL talent
Rinehart = Contributing
Moore = Will get plenty of playing time in the cobra
Jackson = May get cut because of the D-line depth
Williams = Backup fullback
Mitchell = Mr. Mismatch
Pineapple Je5us = Mr. Pre-season 2008

Chase Daniel = Pontius Pilate
Jeremy Jarmon = Baby Dexter!

Granted, Brooks was a failure, Jackson is probably gone, and Henson and Glenn are going to have to fight for a spot but almost all of the players above are going to play important roles for our team. Two possibly 3 are in the starting 22.

I think that Vinny is an above average talent evaluator and I am pretty happy with the last two drafts so far. He cannot be blamed that a lot of draft picks were taken out of his hands.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

We've done really well in the late rounds since 2006. Maybe better than anyone else in the league.

I do think late round drafting is mostly just 1) luck, and 2) stockpiling picks, but after getting NOTHING (except Cartwright) in there for the first six years of the Snyder era, it sure is nice to have found Monty, Golston, Doughty, Blades, Heyer, Moore, Horton, Marko Mitchell, and Edwin Williams in the late rounds.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

I'd love for them to get MM on the field earlier this week. See what he can give us against a better secondary. I am not a kool-aid drinker but I am a little a-titter over MM. I can't get over how perfect that fade worked. Such a hard play to do and they made it look routine. I don't care who the CB was it takes a perfect throw/route/jump to even get to the point where you can maybe catch the ball. Hell the whole point of the play is that when done properly it is basically indefensible. And the fact that he is gettings raves from the DBs, not puff up stuff either, is nice.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=FRPLG;579543]I'd love for them to get MM on the field earlier this week. See what he can give us against a better secondary. I am not a kool-aid drinker but I am a little a-titter over MM. [B] I can't get over how perfect that fade worked.[/B] Such a hard play to do and they made it look routine. I don't care who the CB was it takes a perfect throw/route/jump to even get to the point where you can maybe catch the ball. Hell the whole point of the play is that when done properly it is basically indefensible. And the fact that he is gettings raves from the DBs, not puff up stuff either, is nice.[/quote]

How long have we wanted to see that fade as an option at the goal line. Fact is, whatever receiver can do that effectively should be on our roster. Between that threat, Cooley, and Portis/Sellers combo running, we should be able to dramatically improve our TD ability.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;579525]
If Mitchell is a contributor this year I think the Vinny haters may need to start crafting their apology...

[B]Horton = The Predator
[/B]Kelly = NFL ready
[B]Orakpo = Disgusting
[/B]Fred Davis = basically won the game the other night
Tryon = Isn't ready for prime time yet but will get significant time this year
Barnes = Rookie corner who bounced back and will get better
Thomas = Biggest disappointment but getting better and NFL talent
Rinehart = Contributing
Moore = Will get plenty of playing time in the cobra
Jackson = May get cut because of the D-line depth
Williams = Backup fullback
Mitchell = Mr. Mismatch
Pineapple Je5us = Mr. Pre-season 2008

Chase Daniel = Pontius Pilate
[B]Jeremy Jarmon = Baby Dexter!
[/B]

[B]...I think that Vinny is an above average talent evaluator and I am pretty happy with the last two drafts so far.[/B] He cannot be blamed that a lot of draft picks were taken out of his hands.[/quote]


Aside from Orakpo & Horton -- all the rest haven't proven *anything* yet.

Horton was truly a good find - but I guess since we actually had draft picks recently -- you'll hit a good one every so often. Orakpo was easy since he fell into our laps (honestly, Oher would have been a good pick as well).

BUT it's back to the old argument -- [U][B]consistently not drafting or signing FA O-linemen has been a perennial BAD move[/B][/U]. I *still* shudder when we drafted a TE with *TWO* wide receivers. Sure, our O-line looks great right now, but what is the probability they will be healthy by November/December? I'd rather have good depth than hope we get lucky every year.

Anyway, I think we've had some good picks, but I'll stop short on "apologizing" to Vinny until (1) those picks actually make the team, (2) those picks actually do more than just become Warpath thread titles.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=ethat001;579831][B]Aside from Orakpo & Horton[/B] -- all the rest haven't proven *anything* yet.

Horton was truly a good find - but I guess since we actually had draft picks recently -- you'll hit a good one every so often. Orakpo was easy since he fell into our laps (honestly, Oher would have been a good pick as well).

BUT it's back to the old argument -- [U][B]consistently not drafting or signing FA O-linemen has been a perennial BAD move[/B][/U]. I *still* shudder when we drafted a TE with *TWO* wide receivers. Sure, our O-line looks great right now, but what is the probability they will be healthy by November/December? I'd rather have good depth than hope we get lucky every year.

Anyway, I think we've had some good picks, but I'll stop short on "apologizing" to Vinny until (1) those picks actually make the team, (2) those picks actually do more than just become Warpath thread titles.[/quote]

What exactly has Orakpo proved? Yea he's looked pretty decent thru two preseason games but big deal, its two early to tell with this years rookie class as of yet.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

Anyone think this is interesting news.
[I]The competition for the second WR spot is no longer a two man battle. The emergence of WR Marko Mitchell adds a third receiver to compete with WR Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas for the starting job.[/I]:Ala cbssportline training camp archive

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=WaldSkins;579845]Anyone think this is interesting news.
[I]The competition for the second WR spot is no longer a two man battle. The emergence of WR Marko Mitchell adds a third receiver to compete with WR Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas for the starting job.[/I]:Ala cbssportline training camp archive[/quote]

Good. The more competition the better. You think DT is thinking he'd better step it up? Go for it Marko!

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=WaldSkins;579845]Anyone think this is interesting news.
[I]The competition for the second WR spot is no longer a two man battle. The emergence of WR Marko Mitchell adds a third receiver to compete with WR Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas for the starting job.[/I]:Ala cbssportline training camp archive[/quote]

If it is true (and I'm not doubting you, just the reporter), that's huge. We've needed someone to draw attention from Tana and if Lanky is the guy, then terrific. Also, maybe Thomas and Kelly will feel a bit shamed and work that much harder.

Any time a rookie 7th round pick claims a starting job, that's huge.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

I like what I saw of Marko Mitchell vs the Steelers, especially that push-off on his TD. Definitely a keeper.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=Lotus;579849]If it is true (and I'm not doubting you, just the reporter), that's huge. We've needed someone to draw attention from Tana and if Lanky is the guy, then terrific. Also, maybe Thomas and Kelly will feel a bit shamed and work that much harder.

Any time a rookie 7th round pick claims a starting job, that's huge.[/quote]

Im pretty sure Kelly is ready to step up, i just can't say the same thing for Thomas.

Re: Clinton Portis Loves Marko Mitchell
 

[quote=WaldSkins;579860]Im pretty sure Kelly is ready to step up, i just can't say the same thing for Thomas.[/quote]

Yeah, DT needs to take off that dunce cap and start wearing a real football helmet.