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Basically the court said they took too long to act on the indignation caused, and therefore they don't have the standing to bring the lawsuit before the court. A legal loophole that allows the court to dismiss it without actually deciding on the merits of the case. or something like that

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;558270]Basically the court said they took too long to act on the indignation caused, and therefore they don't have the standing to bring the lawsuit before the court. A legal loophole that allows the court to dismiss it without actually deciding on the merits of the case. or something like that[/quote]

Thanks Mister! Me and Charlie, my brain's only hamster, sure do thank you. : )


Thanks CRR.

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[quote=Giantone;557997]How bout , Washington Indians..?[/quote]


Even that would get some leftist folks pissed. I graduated from Eastern Mich University back in 1993 as an Eagle, but from 1988-1989 I was a Huron. Back in 1988, a Chippewa woman filed a lawsuit against EMU for the name and logo being offensive. Instead of fighting it the EMU Pres and BOD caved in like a bunch of wimps. The whole irony of the story is that the Central Mich Univ mascot is the Chippewa and after they dropped the arrow from their team logo the Chippewas were happy to have them keep their name. After the EMU BOD dropped the name the two chiefs of the only 2 remaining Huron descendent tribes came to plead the BOD to reverse the decision. Much to there chagrin, they were ignored and treated horribly by the EMU BOD. The only thing that saves the Redskins name and logo is the immense amount of $$$$$$$ the team generates for the local economy. $$$$$$$$$ beats out PC just about every time.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;558270]Basically the court said they took too long to act on the indignation caused, and therefore they don't have the standing to bring the lawsuit before the court. A legal loophole that allows the court to dismiss it without actually deciding on the merits of the case. or something like that[/quote]


Funny how the court looked at the weakest of technocalities to save the Skins. $$$$$$$$$ does talk indeed!!!!!!

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558047]The same George Preston Marshall who also didnt allow blacks on the Redskins until the government forced him in 1962?[/quote]

Yes, but the team isn't named the Washington Ni***rs or Negros or Black people, it's named Redskins. Your statement is somewhat irrelevant.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558082]I know not all Indians care about the name but I can understand the other point of view of the Indians that do.[/quote]


Native Americans don't like the word "Indian" either, if you are going to go that way. They would argue that they are NOT FROM India, but rather were natives to this country long before the white men even started showing up. In fact, most Native Americans derive from the Inuits & groups of eskimo vagabonds & nomads that traveled south looking for warmer climates & better hunting grounds. So, calling them Indians is JUST AS offensive.

Now, that being said, there are few NAs that are actually offended by NA logos, symbols, team names, & mascots for the simple fact that they KNOW that once these NA remembrances are wiped out, so, too, will they be from our history books. What we remember now is so little as a society, there are people all over this country that aren't even aware of their current existence or the fact that they live on Reservations or even what a Tee Pee is. What is taught in schools today about the Native Americans is sad to say the least.

What the white man did to these people is absolutely horrific & we don't exactly set apart a day to celebrate their existence in our world. We have a whole month to celebrate our black brothers & sisters & NOT ONE DAY for NAs. If you say Thanksgiving...that is a joke. Thanksgiving Day was basically the white men saying to the NAs, "Step into my parlor said the spider to the fly". It was a way for us to trick them into giving or selling their lands.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not as if the logos or mascots or team names make these people look foolish. As if the logos are of NAs drinking whiskey & selling cigars. The mascots don't run around in each event & act as though they are being slaughtered (although, that would be more historically accurate). Most of these logos & names are respectful & often times portray them as fierce warriors who would not go down without a fight & were willing to die for their causes.

If they start actually removing these names & logos, to me it will be the final step in removing them altogether from our history. Eventually, the argument will arise (if it hasn't already) that the people who dress up as NAs for the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade are offensive & we should stop portraying them altogether because it is "disrespectful."

For the most part, these lawsuits are not even headed up by NAs but white people believing they are doing the right thing by trying to remove offensive logos & team names, when in reality they are trying to further destroy a culture that has been increasingly lost in our world today. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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I think that it's pretty funny that the very term "Indians" itself is a misnomer that we can thank European colonists for. I, being an [I]Indian [/I]indian, could go on this crusade to stop the term Indian from being misused to label Native Americans. But is it really worth it? What is that going to achieve?

It's not about what divides us but what unites everyone that these minority advocacy groups should be focusing in on. Ultimately, it should be about moving forward and gaining sympathy for your cause.

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[quote=Missin21;558284]Yes, but the team isn't named the Washington Ni***rs or Negros or Black people, it's named Redskins. Your statement is somewhat irrelevant.[/quote]

Yeah maybe it is. Im just saying using a racist as a reason why the team name isnt racist is a bad example imo. I know he was racist over a different group of people but the less of GPM in this thread the better.

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[quote=Giantone;558008]if anyone is interested.


[url=http://www.petitiononline.com/wr3s6651/petition.html]The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition[/url][/quote]

48 signatures?! LOL.

FWIW, Internet petitions don't mean squat -- especially ones that don't collect addresses, and only have partial names.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;558581]48 signatures?! LOL.

FWIW, Internet petitions don't mean squat -- especially ones that don't collect addresses, and only have partial names.[/quote]

48 sigs on an internet petition should be legal proof of the NON-issue. Seriously!

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I apologize if this link is posted elsewhere in this thread. My lawyer friend sent me this story, more about the lawfirm than the Skins specifically:

[url=http://abovethelaw.com/2009/05/quinn_emanuel_redskins_reservations.php]Quinn Emanuel Associate Has Reservations About 'Redskin' Victory - Above the Law - A Legal Tabloid - News, Gossip, and Colorful Commentary on Law Firms and the Legal Profession[/url]

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Has this already been posted? I just saw it on Yahoo. Nothing sharp in the analysis here. It's just a rant.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AmCjC_SjaBMfmdXmv.3ypMw5nYcB?slug=ms-trippintuesday051909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]No excuses: Redskins need a new nickname - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;558599]Has this already been posted? I just saw it on Yahoo. Nothing sharp in the analysis here. It's just a rant.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AmCjC_SjaBMfmdXmv.3ypMw5nYcB?slug=ms-trippintuesday051909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]No excuses: Redskins need a new nickname - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

I know 99% of this board will disagree with me but that article is spot on imo.

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I read the article and the guy just trying to piss off skins fans with his ignorance. I have indian blood in me and it not that upset hell it might be the reason I root so passionatety for my team. Hell the guy needs a hugg or a role model something.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558600]I know 99% of this board will disagree with me but that article is spot on imo.[/quote]
These arguments are almost always made by "intelligentia" to showcase their enlightened viewpoint and hammer on how historically the U.S. treated the NAs, or media types to get web hits and sell columns, or NA activists with either an ax to grind, publicity to get, or $$$ to make.

Bottom line, the Skins are a private entity, if folks don't like the name, don't buy tickets, buy merchandise, or watch the games. If someone has a problem, make another on-line petition like the one with 48 signatures mentioned earlier in the thread, and get it to DS (good luck with that).

From Sports Illustrated's article 'The Indian Wars"
"Indeed, a recent SI poll suggests that although Native American activists are virtually united in opposition to the use of Indian nicknames and mascots, the Native American population sees the issue far differently. Asked if high school and college teams should stop using Indian nicknames, 81% of Native American respondents said no. As for pro sports, 83% of Native American respondents said teams should not stop using Indian nicknames, mascots, characters and symbols. Opinion is far more divided on reservations, yet a majority (67%) there said the usage by pro teams should not cease, while 32% said it should."

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;557981]spelling- baaad![/quote]

lol

but anyways this whole thing is retarted. glad we won that shit.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;558604]Bottom line, the Skins are a private entity, if folks don't like the name, don't buy tickets, buy merchandise, or watch the games. If someone has a problem, make another on-line petition like the one with 48 signatures mentioned earlier in the thread, and get it to DS (good luck with that).[/quote]

Yes they are a private entity and no one is forcing anyone to watch Redskin games or buy merchandise. At the sametime on some level the team name is racist. I kinda find it funny in todays society that there is still a sports team with a racial slur as their team name.

I think its kinda sad when people start throwing out terms like "private entity". Thats kinda saying I know its a racial slur but people cant do anything about it so deal with it. That same attitude was the same attitude this Country had against African-Americans until the race stood up for themselves. The problem is their arent enough Native-Americans to really voice their anger over the team name imo compared to other races in this Country.

Like I have said before I have no huge problem with it because I do know that the team honors Indians and they dont mean for the team name to be offensive. As A Redskins fan im happy we still have the team name. At the sametime I do realize that it is also used as a racial slur. I do believe in time the team name will be changed. It may be 50 years from now but it will be changed soon enough.

As for the online petition those really mean nothing either way. Im sure the number of Indians who find the name offensive is alot higher than 48. The problem is when compared to the rest of this country the Indian population is quite small. If it was any other race of people the team name was offending the team name would of been changed a long time ago.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;558575]I think that it's pretty funny that the very term "Indians" itself is a misnomer that we can thank European colonists for. I, being an [I]Indian [/I]indian, could go on this crusade to stop the term Indian from being misused to label Native Americans. But is it really worth it? What is that going to achieve?

It's not about what divides us but what unites everyone that these minority advocacy groups should be focusing in on. Ultimately, it should be about moving forward and gaining sympathy for your cause.[/quote]

Haan Ji. you spit the truth

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558614]
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At the sametime I do realize that it is also used as a racial slur. I do believe in time the team name will be changed.[B] It may be 50 years from[/B] now but it will be changed soon enough.

...[/quote]

Maybe in 50 years we will have had enough of lawsuits and PC'ness, and people will be amazed that any lawsuits were ever filed anyways.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558614]I think its kinda sad when people start throwing out terms like "private entity". Thats kinda saying I know its a racial slur but people cant do anything about it so deal with it. That same attitude was the same attitude this Country had against African-Americans until the race stood up for themselves. The problem is their arent enough Native-Americans to really voice their anger over the team name imo compared to other races in this Country. [/quote]Please be clear, I am NOT saying, "I know it's a racial slur, but people can't do anything, so deal with it." I don't believe it to be a racial slur or I would agree with you. The faux outrage of NA activists on this issue really should make one look deeper at what their real motive is.

There are many names or things that can be perceived by one group or another to be offensive. There are many team names other groups may find offensive; Fighting Irish (focus on the drunken Irishman stereotype), Saints (atheists would find this offensive), the Razorback symbol at Arkansas or the "Hogs" (offensive to some Muslims as a pig is a low form of animal). The term "Redskin" and the N-word are two vastly different things. If you survey African Americans and ask if the N-word is a racial slur and if they would be against the term being used for a sports team, I'm pretty sure you'd get a 99%+ percent that the term is offensive. There is no positive or neutral connotation for that word at all. Yet in a survey of NA people, that the vast majority don't have a problem with NA team names, including Redskins, is very telling.

Do a Google search on "redskin" and the autolinks that come up are all about the Redskin team. Here is also an interesting read about the origins of the term Redskin, certainly not a negative or racist origin.

[URL]http://anthropology.si.edu/goddard/redskin.pdf[/URL]

If you know Redskin team history, the name came about because the owner was honoring the coach who was NA and he also wanted to separate the team from the Braves name they had before. If the coach didn't resign or protest the team name, then I'd say we're on pretty solid ground here. This issue has only come about more recently in the PC world we live in.

[quote]The problem is when compared to the rest of this country the Indian population is quite small. If it was any other race of people the team name was offending the team name would of been changed a long time ago.[/quote]The size of NA population in the US has nothing to do with it. As I referenced in my last post, the problem is the NA team name issue offends NA activists and those with an agenda, not the NA people in general. Keep in mind it wasn't just African American folks who stood up for civil rights in this country, it was a consolidated effort by members of all races. If it was only African Americans, based on population count, we would not have made the progress towards racial equality that we have.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;558618]Maybe in 50 years we will have had enough of lawsuits and PC'ness, and people will be amazed that any lawsuits were ever filed anyways.[/quote]

Yeah that sounds good lets just say the hell with it and start using racial slurs for all 32 NFL teams. :laughing2

I never understood how people can be upset at things that are PC. They wouldnt be PC if people hadnt came up with these racial slurs in the first place. If people in this country back in the day wouldnt of been so racist towards other groups who werent like themselves we wouldnt have groups being PC and asking for things to change.

The bottom line imo is if this was any other race and we were using a racial slur against them as our team name it would of been changed by now.

I like our team name and history. I love how we take pride in Native Americans and take the field to honor them. I can understand the other point of view that our team name is offensive though. If it isnt changed great if it is great. No matter how much I like our team name and history and what it stands for I realize that it offends others.

I know most Redskin fans dont see what the big deal is but if the roles were reversed I think they would understand. Nowadays everyone is equal in this country and have rights so the team name isnt as big of a deal so most people dont care. For the people it offends though I can see their point of view and it does make sense.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;558620]I don't believe it to be a racial slur or I would agree with you. The faux outrage of NA activists on this issue really should make one look deeper at what their real motive is.[/quote]

Check a list of racial slurs on any website. It lists Redskin as a racial slur. It might not have been how the team meant it but it is a racial slur.

Heres a list for you (some of these words are very offensive so anyone who clicks the link be aware of this)..........

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_slurs]List of ethnic slurs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;558620]There are many names or things that can be perceived by one group or another to be offensive. There are many team names other groups may find offensive; Fighting Irish (focus on the drunken Irishman stereotype), Saints (atheists would find this offensive), the Razorback symbol at Arkansas or the "Hogs" (offensive to some Muslims as a pig is a low form of animal). The term "Redskin" and the N-word are two vastly different things. If you survey African Americans and ask if the N-word is a racial slur and if they would be against the term being used for a sports team, I'm pretty sure you'd get a 99%+ percent that the term is offensive. There is no positive or neutral connotation for that word at all. Yet in a survey of NA people, that the vast majority don't have a problem with NA team names, including Redskins, is very telling.[/quote]

Most of those examples you gave arent racial slurs so there is a huge difference. As for the difference between the N-Word and Redskin the only difference is the number of these races in the US. If you flip flopped the number of people of these races in the US people wouldnt have a problem with the N-word as a team name.

As for NA people who dont have a problem with it thats because the times are different. Just like the amount of African-Americans who think the N-word is racist has declined. If you polled NA at earlier times the number would be higher. Another reason some NA dont think the word Redskin is racist is because nowadays people arent as racist as they use to be in this country. If you dont hear the word directed toward you as a racial slur but only as the name of a football team they would probably not think the word is racist. I bet if they had a talk with their ancestors they would have a different view on the word. Any NA who understands the true meaning and how it was used towards them would say it is racist.



[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;558620]Do a Google search on "redskin" and the autolinks that come up are all about the Redskin team.[/quote]

Well that makes sense I would think if you googled the word Redskin alot of the top listing would be of the football team. I dont see how that means Redskin isnt a racial slur. You could google every NFL team name and most of the top responses would be of that team.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;558620]If you know Redskin team history, the name came about because the owner was honoring the coach who was NA and he also wanted to separate the team from the Braves name they had before. If the coach didn't resign or protest the team name, then I'd say we're on pretty solid ground here. This issue has only come about more recently in the PC world we live in.[/quote]

Yes we were the Boston Braves in 1932 and changed our team name to the Boston Redskins in 1933. Just because the coach didnt protest the team name doesnt mean it isnt a racial slur towards NA.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;558620]The size of NA population in the US has nothing to do with it. As I referenced in my last post, the problem is the NA team name issue offends NA activists and those with an agenda, not the NA people in general. Keep in mind it wasn't just African American folks who stood up for civil rights in this country, it was a consolidated effort by members of all races. If it was only African Americans, based on population count, we would not have made the progress towards racial equality that we have.[/quote]

Ok well I have to just agree to disagree here. Let me ask you this if we flip flopped the number of each race in this country and everything that happened between whites and these races over the last several hundred years for starters. Now lets say our team name was the Washington N-words. Would you feel the same way as you do about the word Redskins?

All im saying in this thread is no matter how many people think its a racial slur or not the bottom line is a racial slur is a racial slur. I do believe the Redskins team never meant for the name to be racist. I do understand the people who think the word is racist because of the way it has been used against NA.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558628]Check a list of racial slurs on any website. It lists Redskin as a racial slur. It might not have been how the team meant it but it is a racial slur. [/quote]This list also includes: Canuck, Dutchman, Eskimo, Husky, Jock, Yankee, and my favorite "cheese-eating surrender monkey"

[quote]Most of those examples you gave arent racial slurs so there is a huge difference. [/quote]The druken Irishman sterotype isn't offensive??? If I'm an atheist a team name of Saints pushes religion on me and that's offensive. If I'm a Muslim, especially if playing for them, that Hog on the helmet is offensive.

[quote]As for NA people who dont have a problem with it thats because the times are different. Just like the amount of African-Americans who think the N-word is racist has declined. If you polled NA at earlier times the number would be higher. Another reason some NA dont think the word Redskin is racist is because nowadays people arent as racist as they use to be in this country. If you dont hear the word directed toward you as a racial slur but only as the name of a football team they would probably not think the word is racist. I bet if they had a talk with their ancestors they would have a different view on the word. Any NA who understands the true meaning and how it was used towards them would say it is racist.[/quote]Interesting how you believe to know how the NAs surveyed by SI think and you state your belief as fact????


[quote]All im saying in this thread is no matter how many people think its a racial slur or not the bottom line is a racial slur is a racial slur. I do believe the Redskins team never meant for the name to be racist. I do understand the people who think the word is racist because of the way it has been used against NA.[/quote]I would argue that the opinion of the people you perceive as being slurred is infinitely more important than anyone else's

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Why dont we just call them the Washington 53 man roster??? And that same nickname for all the other teams

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[quote=SBXVII;558030]You know what if they don't like the name don't root for the team. Everyone thinks we all should think a like. It's every where even in Gov. We elect people to sit in Washington and make decisions as to what we as a society would want and they vote on it no matter if it's the popular vote or not.

People are way too politically correct. Which is why I love Carlos Mencia. [B]I just wish people would not try to force their oppinions[/B] of what I should watch or listen to on my radio. If you don't like it change the channel.[/quote]

Please don't believe the hype, Carlos Mencia is an actor trying to get paid.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;558633]This list also includes: Canuck, Dutchman, Eskimo, Husky, Jock, Yankee, and my favorite "cheese-eating surrender monkey"[/quote]

I just noted that Redskins is a racial slur. Im not gonna debate that whole list on which ones you think are worse or not as bad as others.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;558633] The druken Irishman sterotype isn't offensive??? If I'm an atheist a team name of Saints pushes religion on me and that's offensive. If I'm a Muslim, especially if playing for them, that Hog on the helmet is offensive. [/quote]

Maybe it is to some people. I dont think there is anything wrong with fighting irish. Maybe you should poll all the irish and lets find out? :laughing-

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;558633] Interesting how you believe to know how the NAs surveyed by SI think and you state your belief as fact???? [/quote]

Maybe if you read that SI section again you would understand why. I dont think every HS, college, and pro team that has a Indian mascot or team name are called the Redskins. Im only saying the word Redskin is a racial slur.

I understand everything you have said in your posts and you bring up alot of good points. All im saying is I can understand both point of views and that the word Redskin has been used as a racial slur.

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I say if the name is changed it is changed to the "Washington Human-Beings" in honor of Chief Dan George aka "Old Lodge Skins" in the movie "Little Big Man. A more honorable portrayal of a Native American has never been presented in film. We should all try to strive to be "human-beings". Of course if you have not seen the movie you are thinking this comment is stupid. See the movie....it is awesome.
Also if my memory of the history of the logo on the helmets now is correct, the likeness was an actual portrait of a Native American and not just a dreamed up likeness.
I can sorta see some problem some NA's may have with the name but as far as the logo itself is concerned I see as being nothing BUT a respectful rendition of a proud people.
I fear a name change is inevitable as the country moves closer and closer to complete political correctness.

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Mike Silver from yahoo sports is a DOUCHEBAG!! I believe 90% of native Americans were not offended (Read it somewhere).

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuIETA6wIi12jEQTdhlUg2xDubYF?slug=ms-trippintuesday051909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]No excuses: Redskins need a new nickname - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=TheGuyFromOverThere;557977]I suppose to sue the following teams due to the stated reasons:

1 - Buffalo[b] Bills[/b]: Named after a famous animal slaughter
2 - Cincinnati [b]Bengals[/b]: Tigers eat people. Baaad!
3 - Cleveland Browns: Brown = the political party colour of the right wing in Germany
4 - Piitsburgh Stellers: Steel is needed for weapons production
5 - Jacksonville [b]Jaguars[/b]: see 2
6 - Oakland Raiders: Raiders kill people. Baaad!
7 - San Diego Chargers: Lightning Bolts kill people. Baaad!
8 - Dallas Cowboys: Cowboys killed Redskins!
9 - Philadelphia [b]Eagles[/b]: I don´t like em. That should be reason enough.
10 - Washington Redskins: known reasons
11 - Chicago[b] Bears[/b]: see 2
12 - Detroit [b]Lions[/b]: see 2
13 - Minnesota Vikings: Vikings killed poeple. Baaad!
14 - Carolina [b]Panthers[/b]: see 2
15 - New Orleans Saints: many people were killed in the name of God and Saints. Baaad!
16 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers: see 6

Well... sueing half the NFL should be lotsa fun, don´t ya think?[/quote]

Don't let PETA get ahold of that idea, we will end up having the teams like the Chicago Bermuda Grass!

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What doesn't make sense to me is that it doesn't offend anyone anymore other than those that want to harp on it. It was an offensive word back in the 30's, it's no longer an offensive word. If you called an indian a redskin, he would likely look at you with an odd look and walk away. Why not change the definition from something that suggests it's offensive to something that is a positive? Like how the word GAY meant happy back in the 50's, and it somehow changed over the years to mean homosexual now. The word Redskins to me means a tough team that doesn't quit...maybe the new definition should be "A term of endearment referring to longevity and perserverance." Who would complain if that was the definition?

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[quote=Giantone;558008]if anyone is interested.


[URL="http://www.petitiononline.com/wr3s6651/petition.html"]The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition[/URL][/quote]
So a grand total of 48 people have signed this petition and I wonder how many of those are friends of the person who started the the petition. They had a show on several years back about sports teams names and mascots. When they got around to talking about the skins they had one lady who was protesting against them. They showed her going to other native Americans and passing out stuff about the skins and she was trying to organize a protest before one of the games. Most of them did not really seem to care and on the day of her protest she was the only person who even showed up. I will say I was embarrassed for how some of the fans treated her and it was made worse because she was with her kids.

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[quote=firstdown;558772]So a grand total of 48 people have signed this petition and I wonder how many of those are friends of the person who started the the petition. They had a show on several years back about sports teams names and mascots. When they got around to talking about the skins they had one lady who was protesting against them. They showed her going to other native Americans and passing out stuff about the skins and she was trying to organize a protest before one of the games. Most of them did not really seem to care and on the day of her protest she was the only person who even showed up. I will say I was embarrassed for how some of the fans treated her and it was made worse because she was with her kids.[/quote]

In regards to the petition, what if we all signed a petition to KEEP the logo and STOP stupid lawsuits against getting rid of it. Guarentee we'd have more signatures!

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[quote=jsarno;558771][B]What doesn't make sense to me is that it doesn't offend anyone anymore other than those that want to harp on it[/B]. It was an offensive word back in the 30's, it's no longer an offensive word. If you called an indian a redskin, he would likely look at you with an odd look and walk away. Why not change the definition from something that suggests it's offensive to something that is a positive? Like how the word GAY meant happy back in the 50's, and it somehow changed over the years to mean homosexual now. [B] The word Redskins to me means a tough team that doesn't quit[/B]...maybe the new definition should be "A term of endearment referring to longevity and perserverance." Who would complain if that was the definition?[/quote]

From the couple of posts I've read on here from people who actually have some NA blood, it doesn't offend them. I will take their word for it over a bunch of activist's who are always looking for something to be offended over. Nice post jsarno. To LBrown43, I get it. Little Big Man was a fantastic movie. :)

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[quote=Skinny Tee;558111]The Redskins are a private entity. Things don't have to change just because it offends some people. If the Redskins were a government body then by all means have at it and change anything you like to suit everybody.

Being a private company the Redskins aren't obligated to please every person. It's obviously is not hurting them financially because FedEx is sold out until 3026.

If the American Indians have such a problem with the name then please don't give the Redskins any patronage, including bringing attention to the team with various lawsuits.

The word "Redskin" only gets said more when your lawsuits are broadcast on national television.[/quote]
There is a law about using trade names that are offensive and thats what they are going after. The law says something like if a trade name is offensive then they will not approve and protect the trade name. So if they win that battle then anyone could use the Redskins name as it would no longer be protected by the goverment. So even if the skins lost the case Dan could still use the name and logo stuff but that would not be smart because so could anyone else who want to sell skins stuff.

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[quote=firstdown;558777][B]There is a law about using trade names that are offensive and thats what they are going after. The law says something like if a trade name is offensive then they will not approve and protect the trade name.[/B] So if they win that battle then anyone could use the Redskins name as it would no longer be protected by the goverment. So even if the skins lost the case Dan could still use the name and logo stuff but that would not be smart because so could anyone else who want to sell skins stuff.[/quote]

How about "Dirty Dicks" crabs firstdown? :)

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[quote=53Fan;558778]How about "Dirty Dicks" crabs firstdown? :)[/quote]
I don't think he has that filed as a registered trade name or are you asking me if I have been there? Yes I have been to dirty dicks.

Re: Redskins Win In Appeals Court
 

[quote=firstdown;558777]There is a law about using trade names that are offensive and thats what they are going after. The law says something like if a trade name is offensive then they will not approve and protect the trade name. So if they win that battle then anyone could use the Redskins name as it would no longer be protected by the goverment. So even if the skins lost the case Dan could still use the name and logo stuff but that would not be smart because so could anyone else who want to sell skins stuff.[/quote]

Makes you wonder how Supreme Court nominee, Sonia Sotomayor, or for that matter, any current standing Supreme Court judge would rule on the Proud, traditional name of the Redskins! Especially since she has some history with sports rulings:

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/05/26/sotomayor/index.html]Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor well known in sports world - MLB - SI.com[/url]

I wonder what the final outcome would be.

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[quote=steveo395;557965]Why do people keep suing the Redskins for their name? Who really cares. Is it really going to make these peoples lives any better if there is no team named the Redskins anymore? If somebody really gets offended that easily I think they have bigger problems.[/quote]

You forget about the nobel cause factor. Some people have to have something to bitch about, so they find some nobel cause. It doesn't matter that it's a small number of people that are bothered by the name and it doesn't matter that the number of Native Americans (Indians, OMG!!!) who actually SAY they take offfense is miniscule.

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Cleveland Browns is much more "offensive" for several possible meanings.

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[quote=Buster;561335]Cleveland Browns is much more "offensive" for several possible meanings.[/quote]

Such as?