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I wish Dan Snyder owned the Nationals. And I agree with SFREDSKIN's proposal and you might as well try to squeeze in a OLB in the 2d Round.

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[quote=53Fan;549710]I would much rather give up picks for SFREDSKIN's proposed line than for Sanchez.[/quote]

I completely agree. The difference would be 09 competitive vs. 09 disaster.

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[quote=DIRTEE;549712]I wish Dan Snyder owned the Nationals. And I agree with SFREDSKIN's proposal and you might as well try to squeeze in a OLB in the 2d Round.[/quote]

If Snyder owned the Nats maybe they would have uniforms with correct spellings.

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[quote=GridIron26;549691]Drafting Oher or A. Smith and Mack sounds so great, especially with the players in O-line..

Samuels, Dockery, Mack, Thomas, Oher or A. Smith


I definitely would do this, even if it means trading our 2010 1st rd.. Like Sfredskins said, it would solidify the line for years, except maybe we would need a G in two years? Not only this benefits the offense, but we would be able to give JC all time he needs in the pocket.. I'm pretty sure this would help our offense a lot..

Edit: I normally don't like the idea of trading future picks, but this one just sounds so good; I cannot resist it..[/quote]

Not to mention the depth we would have!

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[quote=Lotus;549728]If Snyder owned the Nats maybe they would have uniforms with correct spellings.[/quote]

:laughing2 How bad was that?! Fitting for the way they've been playing I guess. :doh:

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[quote=53Fan;549732]:laughing2 How bad was that?! Fitting for the way they've been playing I guess. :doh:[/quote]

Its just a sad franchise.

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[quote=Beemnseven;549711]Nobody requires as much patience as Redskins fans.[/quote]

And because of this, unfortunately we are a dying breed

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[quote=Redskin Jim;549576]Watch out for the Saints this year canton legend, if Grilliams straightens out the defense like I think he will, the Saints will be scary good this year.[/quote]

im hoping with the additions we've made(jabari greer, darren sharper, rod coleman) we'll be able to make a run at the playoffs

believe me guys, if there was ever a team that can simpathize with what you guys are going through right now, its saints fans

only recently with jim haslett and sean payton have we been able to hold our heads up

i think the redskins are well on their way so far. they have a very good core group of players to build around;
portis, sellers, hall, cooley, fletcher, haynesworth, landry, moss, my boy shaun suisham from BGSU and a couple of old saints in alfred fincher and renaldo wynn

im impressed i could name that many redskins without looking it up lol

then of course campbell, rocky, and colt(im a big fan of his)

there are lots of things to look forward to this year for you guys. if portis can continue to stay healthy, i can see a push at the playoffs. especially if they can pick up a few starting O-linemen in this draft

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[quote=CantonLegend;549739]im hoping with the additions we've made(jabari greer, darren sharper, rod coleman) we'll be able to make a run at the playoffs

believe me guys, if there was ever a team that can simpathize with what you guys are going through right now, its saints fans

only recently with jim haslett and sean payton have we been able to hold our heads up

i think the redskins are well on their way so far. they have a very good core group of players to build around;
portis, sellers, hall, cooley, fletcher, haynesworth, landry, moss, my boy shaun suisham from BGSU and a couple of old saints in alfred fincher and renaldo wynn

im impressed i could name that many redskins without looking it up lol

then of course campbell, rocky, and colt(im a big fan of his)

there are lots of things to look forward to this year for you guys. [B]if portis can continue to stay healthy, i can see a push at the playoffs. especially if they can pick up a few starting O-linemen in this draft[/B][/quote]

We made a push at the playoffs last year, albeit unsuccessfully. We want more than that.

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[quote=Lotus;549740]We made a push at the playoffs last year, albeit unsuccessfully. We want more than that.[/quote]

i hate to say it but the redskins arent ready to make a super bowl run. they, just like my saints, are a couple years away from making that kind of run

sometimes you gotta take baby steps

btw...this its very hard to get to 25 posts so i can create my own thread.
if you guys havent noticed im pulling stuff outta my but just so i can get a post in here and there

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[quote=CantonLegend;549751]i hate to say it but the redskins arent ready to make a super bowl run. they, just like my saints, are a couple years away from making that kind of run[/quote]

I disagree. If we can draft Oher or Smith and pull a trade to land Mack, you use the rest of your picks on D and next year you build the D like you built the O and also draft a young RB and we could be in next year.

The only caveat is mending fences with Campbell. Think about it, if we can pull what I mentioned our OL would be awesome w/ lots of depth, load up on LB/DE/CB and just like that you are a serious contender, plus you can sign FA.

We have to counteract what the Giants have built on both sides of their line, right now on paper they are the team to beat in my opinion.

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[quote=CantonLegend;549751]i hate to say it but the redskins arent ready to make a super bowl run. they, just like my saints, are a couple years away from making that kind of run

sometimes you gotta take baby steps

btw...this its very hard to get to 25 posts so i can create my own thread.
if you guys havent noticed im pulling stuff outta my but just so i can get a post in here and there[/quote]

#1: there are grades between making a run at the playoffs and Super Bowl. How about just winning a playoff game or two?

#2: IMO it is a better idea for you to just be patient at getting to 25 posts rather than making us read garbage so that you can get there more quickly, which by the way is the Dan Snyder approach to posting.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;549166]Even the Almighty Sanchez cannot block for himself.[/quote]
~~~~~~~~~

Aint that the truth![/quote]
Very funny, but that is the whole of the reality behind this stupid situation the FO has the franchise in. No matter who the QB is for us in '09 without a O line upgrade he will be on his arse often and we will be lucky to get to 8-8.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549757]I disagree. If we can draft Oher or Smith and pull a trade to land Mack, you use the rest of your picks on D and next year you build the D like you built the O and also draft a young RB and we could be in next year.

The only caveat is mending fences with Campbell. Think about it, if we can pull what I mentioned our OL would be awesome w/ lots of depth, load up on LB/DE/CB and just like that you are a serious contender, plus you can sign FA.

We have to counteract what the Giants have built on both sides of their line, right now on paper they are the team to beat in my opinion.[/quote]

those expectations are very realistic. what would it take to move back into the first round and pick up either mack, unger, or robinson?

i think you guys have some quality depth at QB. Brennan could be great IMO and campbell is a fine starter. Moss and randle el(you guys still have him?) are good WRs to compliment the great running game.

i completely agree that the biggest issue would be competing with the giants rush and offensive line. Haynesworth should help a little on defense but he only plays 2 plays every series because hes out of shape all the time.

the next step is to address offensive line to deal with rushers like demarcus ware, joey porter, mathias kiwanuka, justin tuck, and osi. IMO a top rated tackle would be more beneficial because of the talented DE/OLBs in the East.

the DTs the redskins face arent nearly as talented as the DEs you face 6 games every year

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[quote=CantonLegend;549776]those expectations are very realistic. what would it take to move back into the first round and pick up either mack, unger, or robinson?

i think you guys have some quality depth at QB. [B]Brennan could be great IMO [/B]and campbell is a fine starter. Moss and randle el(you guys still have him?) are good WRs to compliment the great running game.

i completely agree that the biggest issue would be competing with the giants rush and offensive line. Haynesworth should help a little on defense but he only plays 2 plays every series because hes out of shape all the time.

the next step is to address offensive line to deal with rushers like demarcus ware, [B]joey porter[/B], mathias kiwanuka, justin tuck, and osi. IMO a top rated tackle would be more beneficial because of the talented DE/OLBs in the East.

the DTs the redskins face arent nearly as talented as the DEs you face 6 games every year[/quote]

#1 the Cult of Colt thrives even in New Orleans, apparently
#2 Joey Porter is not in our division

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You know, at some point we're going to have to drop the "Cult of Colt" line. I mean, they drafted this guy for a reason, right? Is Colt a guy who the team brought in to be some sort of permanent tease?

I'm not suggesting he has to start this year, but I think some people go overboard with the thought that should Colt Brennan never, EVER see the field. If there is something in game films that make so many people absolutely certain that he should not even be in consideration to throw a pass in the NFL, then why is he on the team?

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[quote=Lotus;549803]#1 the Cult of Colt thrives even in New Orleans, apparently[/quote]

i dont know what that means....btw....im in ohio, not new orleans
[quote]
#2 Joey Porter is not in our division[/quote]
yea i dont know what i was thinking!? i was just trying to think of good edge rushers and joey porter came to mind i guess

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[quote=CantonLegend;549545]in a few years when we look back at the draft and realize who were the best players to come out of the draft, we wont be looking at matthew stafford or brian orakpo or tyson jackson

[/quote]


Who is we haha?

Did you move to the DC area so now you quasi-follow the skins? that's a guess but my best one

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[quote=jsarno;549581]What is so bad that we've done worth turning to the effin ravens? (please note that I will be EXTREMELY unhappy with the Skins if they do something stupid in the draft like give up everything for Sanchez.)

You can PM me if you wish to avoid future comments on this thread, especially the wonderful name calling...which by the way, nice come back with the "a douche gets more..." LOL HILARIOUS.[/quote]

a douche gets dirty poon ;)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549757]I disagree. If we can draft Oher or Smith and pull a trade to land Mack, you use the rest of your picks on D and next year you build the D like you built the O and also draft a young RB and we could be in next year.

The only caveat is mending fences with Campbell. Think about it, if we can pull what I mentioned our OL would be awesome w/ lots of depth, load up on LB/DE/CB and just like that you are a serious contender, plus you can sign FA.

[B]We have to counteract what the Giants have built on both sides of their line, right now on paper they are the team to beat in my opinion.[/B][/quote]

Dude, if we lose to the Giants, I am blaming you. I'm not trying to be a prick, but you must have at least 20 posts praising the hell out of the Giants. I'm a bit superstitious and I think you're going to will this to happen.

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[quote=Beemnseven;549814]You know, at some point we're going to have to drop the "Cult of Colt" line. I mean, they drafted this guy for a reason, right? Is Colt a guy who the team brought in to be some sort of permanent tease?

I'm not suggesting he has to start this year, but I think some people go overboard with the thought that should Colt Brennan never, EVER see the field. If there is something in game films that make so many people absolutely certain that he should not even be in consideration to throw a pass in the NFL, then why is he on the team?[/quote]

You make a good point. As for me, I am not against his playing. I'm not against Colt - I thought he was a good speculative draft pick. I am only against his getting anointed as a savior when he hasn't done anything.

When he actually contributes something I will drop the Cult of Colt line. Then we can discuss him in a rational way which doesn't always happen now.

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[quote=Ruhskins;549830]Dude, if we lose to the Giants, I am blaming you. I'm not trying to be a prick, but you must have at least 20 posts praising the hell out of the Giants. I'm a bit superstitious and I think you're going to will this to happen.[/quote]

Naw naw naw! If we lose to the Giants it will be because of whoever is playing on offense, Danny, and Z.

I don't think it will be because of Blache. You can't expect the D to play for three quarters of a game and not be as beat up as Madonna's diaphragm.

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[quote=CantonLegend;549817]i dont know what that means....btw....im in ohio, not new orleans

yea i dont know what i was thinking!? i was just trying to think of good edge rushers and joey porter came to mind i guess[/quote]

Sorry. Some of us are sensitive about Brennan. Some Skins fans demanded he start right after he was drafted and continue to demand that he start now. These people make such irrational arguments at times that they have been dubbed the Cult of Colt.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;549855]Naw naw naw! If we lose to the Giants it will be because of whoever is playing on offense, Danny, and Z.

I don't think it will be because of Blache. [B]You can't expect the D to play for three quarters of a game and not be as beat up as Madonna's diaphragm.[/B][/quote]

LOL. This sounds like a Blache quote. :laughing2

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[quote=Lotus;549853]You make a good point. As for me, I am not against his playing. I'm not against Colt - I thought he was a good speculative draft pick. I am only against his getting anointed as a savior when he hasn't done anything.

When he actually contributes something I will drop the Cult of Colt line. Then we can discuss him in a rational way which doesn't always happen now.[/quote]

For the record, that wasn't directed solely at you, I've heard the Cult of Colt line for awhile from lots of people.

Here's a somewhat off topic thought -- what if we aren't able to land Sanchez and Jason Campbell wants to get the hell out? What then?

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[quote=Ruhskins;549863]LOL. This sounds like a Blache quote. :laughing2[/quote]

He has my permission to use it as long as he gives me credit.

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[quote=Beemnseven;549867]For the record, that wasn't directed solely at you, I've heard the Cult of Colt line for awhile from lots of people.

Here's a somewhat off topic thought -- what if we aren't able to land Sanchez and Jason Campbell wants to get the hell out? What then?[/quote]

Danny bends over and kisses his own ass!! I would love to see that!!

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[quote=Beemnseven;549814]You know, at some point we're going to have to drop the "Cult of Colt" line. I mean, they drafted this guy for a reason, right? Is Colt a guy who the team brought in to be some sort of permanent tease?

I'm not suggesting he has to start this year, but I think some people go overboard with the thought that should Colt Brennan never, EVER see the field. If there is something in game films that make so many people absolutely certain that he should not even be in consideration to throw a pass in the NFL, then why is he on the team?[/quote]

I think Colt has talent and is a guy Zorn thought he could develop. He should get more snaps this preseason and it will be interesting to see how he does now that he's healthy and has been here a year.

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Maybe Just Maybe.... there whole plan is to make a really AWESOME Madden Team so when they play other organizations they feel like winners!!!!..........Damit (sigh) , or maybe it just seems that way and they really have no idea what they are doing.

-unfortunately it might be the Madden idea

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[quote=tryfuhl;549826][B]Who is we[/B] haha?

Did you move to the DC area so now you quasi-follow the skins? that's a guess but my best one[/quote]

[B][SIZE="3"]we[/SIZE][/B]   /wi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [wee] Show IPA
–plural pronoun, possessive our or ours, objective us. 1. nominative pl. of I.
2. (used to denote oneself and another or others): We have two children. In this block we all own our own houses.
3. ([B]used to denote people in general[/B]): the marvels of science that we take for granted.


fwiw i was a huge colt brennan fan in college, he is arguably the best college QB of all time and didnt get credit for it because of the talent(or lack there of) in his conference. He was a much better QB than Timmy Chang(who set the record for most interceptions as well as several positive college records) who he actually replaced as hawaii's starting QB after chang went undrafted. Many consider brennan(or any hawaii QB) to be a system QB. i find that argument hard to swallow. I think brennan was asked to do something that many players probably couldnt do. and he did it better than any other QB has ever done. His transition to the pros was expected to be slow and tedious as indicated by his draft position.

He has a low release, which coupled with his shorter frame, makes his passes more likely to be tipped. His arm strength isnt elite, but his accuracy is and IMO he was a steal that late in the draft. He and Mike Hart RB, michigan were the 2 players i was looking forward to in the draft and they slipped so far that i forgot about them

i could go on but it seems like you guys have already had this argument

he was the main reason i came to this board; i wanted to see if you guys(redskins fans) thought he was any good or capable of carrying the/a team

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[quote=CantonLegend;549904][B][SIZE="3"]we[/SIZE][/B]   /wi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [wee] Show IPA
–plural pronoun, possessive our or ours, objective us. 1. nominative pl. of I.
2. (used to denote oneself and another or others): We have two children. In this block we all own our own houses.
3. ([B]used to denote people in general[/B]): the marvels of science that we take for granted.


fwiw i was a huge colt brennan fan in college, he is arguably the best college QB of all time and didnt get credit for it because of the talent(or lack there of) in his conference. He was a much better QB than Timmy Chang(who set the record for most interceptions as well as several positive college records) who he actually replaced as hawaii's starting QB after chang went undrafted. Many consider brennan(or any hawaii QB) to be a system QB. i find that argument hard to swallow. I think brennan was asked to do something that many players probably couldnt do. and he did it better than any other QB has ever done. His transition to the pros was expected to be slow and tedious as indicated by his draft position.

He has a low release, which coupled with his shorter frame, makes his passes more likely to be tipped. His arm strength isnt elite, but his accuracy is and IMO he was a steal that late in the draft. He and Mike Hart RB, michigan were the 2 players i was looking forward to in the draft and they slipped so far that i forgot about them

i could go on but it seems like you guys have already had this argument

he was the main reason i came to this board; i wanted to see if you guys(redskins fans) thought he was any good or capable of carrying the/a team[/quote]

He may get good enough to start. It'll take time IMO. You are right about his accuracy but his decision making needs serious work and that sidearm release is going to get him in trouble.

As for his college record, I really enjoyed watching him in college. However, the NFL is a very different animal and you can throw college stats out the window. If you don't believe me, I have 5 words: "Andre Ware and David Klingler."

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[quote=Defensewins;549311]I think the [B]owner and FO[/B] need to be willing to be terrible for the sake of the long term success. I do not think [B]they[/B] are willing.
Snyderratto has proven time and time again that [B]they[/B] do not have the patience to build through the draft, not the fans. Look at the spending in FA [B]this offseason[/B]. Just when I thought he learned from Gibbs, he goes out and signs Albert to the richest contract for a defensive player in the history of the NFL. At a time when we have many many holes to fill.
To be fair not all the moves have been bad.

In the 10 seasons Snyder has owned the team we have had 6 head coaches. Six head coaches in ten years, not to mention the diffrent offensive systems our players have had to learn.

Here is the sad list of starting Qb's during Snyder's tenure:

1) Brad Johnson (only good one and we cut him)
2) Jeff George (head case/borderline retard)
3) Tony Banks (wow what a winner)
4) Shane Matthews (not qualified)
5) Patrick Ramsey (not qualified)
6) Danny Wuerffel (sucked)
7) Tim Hasselbeck (not qualified)
8) Back to Patrick Ramsey
9) Mark Brunnell (past his prime)
10) Jason Campbell (different offense every year, no line last year)
11) Todd Collins (due to injury)
12) Back to Jason Campbell


We are going to trust them to pick another QB when we do not even know for sure if Campbell is the real deal or not?
Put a good line in front of Campbell and give him a fair chance. Build the lines first then get your dream QB.
Vinny and Dan were skipping school and out getting getting high on the day they taught how to build a team through the draft and keep your picks day.

After watching the 10 greatest drafts show on NFL Net last night, it reinforced more that [B]all[/B] the great "Dynasty" teams were built primarily through the draft. I am talking about great drafts top to bottom. We currently do not have the FO that is capable to draft like that.

Sorry this is so long.[/quote]


I totally agree with you that we do not have stability at the most important positions HC and QB. Teams that have that will normally be a successful franchise. We have been a mediocrity at best since DS purchased the Redskins.