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ive been having doubts myself about Willis. as a backup RT/G fine, but we still need Oher/Smith at RT. but Willis is young, big, strong and plays RT/G but teams don't normally let good young guys like that just walk away for a cheap or modest contract. and if he had that much potential someone woulda offered him a contract by now.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;532592]Here's my list of every receiver drafted in the first two rounds since 2000. Which excludes guys like the Real Steve Smith (3rd round) and Colston among others. It gave me a less than sanguine outlook on Thomas especially. I would actually say the guys who come from nowhere are more the exception than the rule.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/27618-our-wrs-in-2009-my-thoughts-11.html#post522944[/URL][/quote]


Thank You. You can always count on South Carolina.

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[quote=GTripp0012;533096]I normally agree with your analysis' of the situation, but the assumption that Hixon is all that is wrong with the development of our receivers, and using youtube type evidence to support it is something I strongly disagree with.

There is clearly no objective reason to believe that Hixon has any control over the long-term development over the young receivers. He's one of many coaches that these gentlemen have had over the life of their football careers, and it's a self-serving argument to ignore their development until last year in considering why a player with "youtube" skills and combine numbers could [I]possibly[/I] ever bust.

Furthermore, it's probably very, very wrong. To make the assumption that there's anything Hixon should have done that would have changed their plight...if not wrong, it's something that you can't pretend to know from the information that we have as fans.

You've heard the phrase "correlation does not equal causation", well, this is you ignoring that really, really obviously.[/quote]

WTH are "youtube" skills... sort of sounds like computer hacking and nunchuck skills LOL.

Anyway, tell me this about the plight of Thomas/Hixon. Who in the franchise is primarily charged w/ the task of making sure these guys 1) take the off-season serious, even as rooks 2) learn the playbook 3) learn to run crisp routes as the NFL requires. From the standpoint of basic common sense I have to believe a billion dollar franchise is going to assign [I]someone[/I] the task. I'm totally, completely willing to admit my ignorance of franchise structure but it seemed common sense that the position coach, Hixon, would be charged w/ this task.

Last, am I factually wrong in saying Hixon has never developed an NFL receiver? I'm tempted to go a bit further and state he's never even improved one, as i believe guys like Moss, Caldwell, McCardell, and Thrash had just as much success prior to working w/ Hixon. (ARL i leave out because he wasn't a starting receiver for Pitt so it seems a lousy comparison) My bottom line is i don't for the life of me see what there is to defend about this guy... he's done literally nothing.

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Why do they want to sign older FA linemen? They will only be good for a season or two, if that. Our top 2-3 picks better be O linemen, but looking a recent draft history, we should all know better.

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[quote=saden1;533108]Have you ever seen the Seahawk's running/passing game with him on the field? I don't think you would want him, he can't play football.[/quote]

Geez the way he was touted on this board you would think he is the next Erik Williams.

I will take Oher or Smith any day for the RT spot.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;533134]Geez the way he was touted on this board you would think he is the next Erik Williams.

I will take Oher or Smith any day for the RT spot.[/quote]

If we stay at 13 that seems to be the smartest choice

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[quote=The Goat;533115]WTH are "youtube" skills... sort of sounds like computer hacking and nunchuck skills LOL.

[B]Anyway, tell me this about the plight of Thomas/Hixon. Who in the franchise is primarily charged w/ the task of making sure these guys 1) take the off-season serious, even as rooks 2) learn the playbook 3) learn to run crisp routes as the NFL requires.[/B] From the standpoint of basic common sense I have to believe a billion dollar franchise is going to assign [I]someone[/I] the task. I'm totally, completely willing to admit my ignorance of franchise structure but it seemed common sense that the position coach, Hixon, would be charged w/ this task.

Last, am I factually wrong in saying Hixon has never developed an NFL receiver? I'm tempted to go a bit further and state he's never even improved one, as i believe guys like Moss, Caldwell, McCardell, and Thrash had just as much success prior to working w/ Hixon. (ARL i leave out because he wasn't a starting receiver for Pitt so it seems a lousy comparison) My bottom line is i don't for the life of me see what there is to defend about this guy... he's done literally nothing.[/quote]I think your opinion that Hixon is not a good receivers coach and that we shouldn't have retained him is fine. I'm not defending Hixon per se. I don't necessarily agree either, but the opinion that we could do better seems legit.

The obvious answer to the question you've posed here is: Thomas and Kelly. Duh. I think Hixon's part of the equation, but your position only makes sense if Hixon is the ENTIRE equation, in which case, why draft at all?

I mentioned before, I don't think this is ignorance on your part, I think it's simply confusing correlation (Hixon) with casuation (who knows?).

Why does one person HAVE to be responsible for the lack of development with the receivers? Why is each individual not held accountable for his development in your eyes? What is the reasoning behind assuming that only Hixon is responsible?

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[quote=SmootSmack;533135]If we stay at 13 that seems to be the smartest choice[/quote]

Yes, although now we also need a starting DE and starting SLB. We can't do it all with choice #13.

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[quote=Lotus;533140]Yes, although now we also need a starting DE and starting SLB. We can't do it all with choice #13.[/quote]Yeah, but those are very, very easy spots to find vet min solutions with talent after the draft. The Redskins would be smart to not pay a premium for those positions now. Use the money to sign talent at any position, not just where we don't have clear starters penciled in.

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[quote=Lotus;533140]Yes, although now we also need a starting DE and starting SLB. We can't do it all with choice #13.[/quote]

you can get cromwell/burnett and evans/daniels on the cheap as a stopgap. that's pretty typical for most teams, since (obviously) you can't have 100$mill players at every position.

cheap starting LBs are always available in FA... cheap starting DEs aren't, unless they're really old (like daniels).

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[quote=GTripp0012;533139]
[B][I][U]1[/U][/I]Why does one person HAVE to be responsible for the lack of development with the receivers? [I][U]2[/U][/I]Why is each individual not held accountable for his development in your eyes? [I][U]3[/U][/I]What is the reasoning behind assuming that only Hixon is responsible[/B]?[/quote]
To answer your questions in order:

1) we drafted Thomas after [B]1 year[/B] of college. The organization spent millions on Thomas/Kelly and invested the future of our offense in their hands. They knew both would need development. We know we have an organization that spends Millions on top level talent and Millions on top level coaching across the board. We should have a WR coach who has at least proven he can HELP a young receiver develop.

2) as in college, life, professional career: if you have a proven teacher, who can guide you it helps. Again, Thomas was a known young player who had not had all the training college could provide so his learning curve was steeper than most. That is not to absolve Thomas/Kelly, they should show improvement on their own, but if the positions coach does not improve the rate of learning then let the position coach go, and have a peer to peer driven development program (obviously I am not advocating this approach)

3) I don't think ONLY Hixon is responsible or that he is even an impedement, simply that he is not the best we could have, and we should try, given our investment last year, to give our players the BEST available coach and coaching assistants out there.