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[B]OFFENSIVE LINE[/B], especially pass protection.

Felt like I was watching that Dallas game when Spurrier was the coach and Ramsey nearly got killed (literally).

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[quote=SmootSmack;501875]Yeah, thanks for not flying into a furious rant.[/quote]

Hmm, sense a touch of sarcasm SS... seriously, i'm so much calmer than I was yesterday :)

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Hi Skins fans, didn't we do this last year. Yes we did and here is the same post I put up LAST YEAR. Mark Rypien stood in the pocket for 3-5 seconds and picked apart defenses, is he better than JC? If JC only gets 2 seconds he doesn't get time to see his recievers deep. O-LINE is bad on pass protection and decent on the rush. JC threw picks because he was getting hit all night or nervous about getting hit. Protect him we win. (obvioulsy)

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our offensive line has been pathetic in recent weeks. rabach is horrendous, he must be replaced in the offseason imo. jansen is also doing terribly in pass pro imo, i really wish heyer would get back in there. samuels is hurt so i can understand his struggles, he is still a great left tackle.

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Plain and simple. It ALL starts up front. And our front five ought to take a good look in the mirror!

We need to get hot now and get on a winning run at the right time, which is NOW. For this to happen the front five better get it together (if they are capable, at this point), very quickly as in before Sunday at Seattle.

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[quote=skinsnut;501911]Someone mentioned shotgun...I mentioned this like a month ago....and we rarely see it.
Rollouts are rare too.

One thing about Gibbs, when the Oline needed help, he adjusted.

[B]Zorn does not adjust....his "Rookiness" has been showing for a month.
That is why when everyone was saying he was a "5" out of 5....I still graded him a 3.
He hasn't been tested yet....now, he has been a couple games straight and he just has not kept ahead of the curve.[/B]
He better get his crap together soon or we may just be vanilla all the way out of the playoff race.[/quote]

Considering that we have the same line coach, scheme, and players, I'm not sure that I agree with this. As much as it sucks to say I think the O-line's non-rookiness has been showing for a month. The guys are getting old and showing a real inability to handle more athletic pass-rushers. Rabach and Jansen have been liabilities all season but, unfortunately, the whole unit appears to be regressing.

This is not a knee-jerk overreaction, we have a big problem here.

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[quote=djnemo65;501947]Considering that we have the same line coach, scheme, and players, I'm not sure that I agree with this. As much as it sucks to say I think the O-line's non-rookiness has been showing for a month. The guys are getting old and showing a real inability to handle more athletic pass-rushers. Rabach and Jansen have been liabilities all season but, unfortunately, the whole unit appears to be regressing.

[B]This is not a knee-jerk overreaction, we have a big problem here.[/B][/quote]

I think many of us are struggling to accept this - I know I am and reading through most of the threads right now it shows up a lot. Remember we also had a big problem last year w/ the o-line. Yeah I know there were a slew of unforeseen injuries but doesn't that just make the case for better (hopefully much better depth). Don't mistake me here. [B]I'm not pointing fingers at anyone on this board.[/B] We're the fans, the spectators looking on w/o most of the info the people running the team have available to them. We see game day. We don't see how back-ups, or rookies prior to opening day, are progressing.

What's mind-boggling is that since '07 the FO didn't do anything about the line or to get an impact receiver (already familiar w/ the WCO) who could at least give us a shot at rounding out the offense.

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I've said before that if this line was as good as they think they are we'd have the leading rusher and passer every year. I thought it was great when Zorn sat Jansen down in favor of Heyer to let these guys know reputation does'nt count for s**t, performance does. Afterwards, Jansen picked his game up a bit. I like these guys, even Rabach. But liking them and thinking they're funny when they do interviews etc. has nothing to do with how they play on the field. These guys need a reality check just like Jansen got. With maybe the exception of Samuels (injury) and Kendall, they need to step up or hit the bench and let the rookies take a shot. We won 4 in a row with Fabini and Heyer in there last year. If we're not going to win because of our o-line play, at least let the young guys get some experience. I want to go to the playoffs, but if the line keeps playing like this...we're not going far.

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10 sacks allowed in TWO games. 26 all season. These are staggering numbers! No pass pro = bottom barrel o-line against the rush.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Renew_Emphasis_On_Pass_Protection_2388.jsp]Redskins Renew Emphasis On Pass Protection[/url]

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I thought I posted this before but apparently I closed my browser before I had a chance.

Anyway I feel like the problem with the all the sacks and the problem with the offense in general is the fact that we're barely trying to push the ball downfield. I realize Zorn might have a big plan and the WCO is predicated on the short pass, but how many times did we really try to throw deep last night. Once or twice, maybe more?

If my theory is correct the last few teams we've played have no respect for our deep ball. Even though we have Moss and a cannon arm in Campbell. It seems Zorn has become content with just running slants, curls, and screens. What I want to know is wheres the posts, corners, hitch n' go's (in theory a great route considering what we're doing now)? In the meantime opponents seem to feel pretty comfortable running suicide blitzes knowing we're probably going to try something short rather then making them pay deep with Cooley or Moss. In the meantime the running game suffers because teams have realzied we're not going deep and as an extension of that we can't run play action, which seems to be Zorn's prefence when it comes to going long.

In conclusion I think the key to future success is incorporating the deep ball to push defenses back. Either way I want to see the offense that beat the Cowboys, Saints, and Cardinals. Not the monstrosety (SP?) that we saw on opening night against the Giants.

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[quote=steveo395;501608]Offensive line is the problem. They are good in run blocking, but the pass blocking is pretty bad...mostly Rabach and Jansen[/quote]

Rabach is garbage, and gets killed up the middle, Jansen best days are behind him, and there is not solid back up for this except, draft well, .....

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[quote=Dirtbag359;501977]I thought I posted this before but apparently I closed my browser before I had a chance.

Anyway I feel like the problem with the all the sacks and the problem with the offense in general is the fact that we're barely trying to push the ball downfield. I realize Zorn might have a big plan and the WCO is predicated on the short pass, but how many times did we really try to throw deep last night. Once or twice, maybe more?

If my theory is correct the last few teams we've played have no respect for our deep ball. Even though we have Moss and a cannon arm in Campbell. It seems Zorn has become content with just running slants, curls, and screens. What I want to know is wheres the posts, corners, hitch n' go's (in theory a great route considering what we're doing now)? In the meantime opponents seem to feel pretty comfortable running suicide blitzes knowing we're probably going to try something short rather then making them pay deep with Cooley or Moss. In the meantime the running game suffers because teams have realzied we're not going deep and as an extension of that we can't run play action, which seems to be Zorn's prefence when it comes to going long.

In conclusion I think the key to future success is incorporating the deep ball to push defenses back. Either way I want to see the offense that beat the Cowboys, Saints, and Cardinals. Not the monstrosety (SP?) that we saw on opening night against the Giants.[/quote]Those routes were used all the time against Detroit, because we felt we could handle them upfront. Against Pittsburgh and Dallas, we've been incredibly conservative, and probably for good reason. Without Jason Campbell, this team is a coin flip to beat SEA and SF, so we have to make sure he takes fewer hits than he has the last two games.

Play action, I think, is a good middle ground for this team. Teams respect the run and if you can get the ends to crash down, we can still protect Campbell. I think we have to live off play action right now. Zorn's been putting more of it in, but not enough, IMO.

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The problem is....the TTB. lol. He's not carrying his fair load.

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[quote=53Fan;501792]With JC always being told to check down, I wonder if he's doing it too much. I don't buy this, never having time to go long stuff. The line is not blocking well, I DEFINITELY agree with that, but it's a lot harder to block when you wait to throw long until later in the game because you have to because you're behind and nothing else is working. [B]If you start throwing long occasionally early in the game, the "D" does'nt start stacking the line right away which opens up the run and shorter passes. If people on this board are saying we don't throw long because we don't have time, I would imagine DC's are saying the same thing. [/B]Makes it pretty easy to gameplan us. Whether it's completed or not you have to take a shot and you have to do it earlier than we've been doing it. Our offense is pretty easy to read right now. The Redskins don't go long. It's kinda like the lottery, you can't win if you don't play. Well you can't complete a long pass if you don't THROW a long pass. Give your quarterback and receivers a chance to make a play. We're taking that away ourselves by not attempting it. And I don't mean calling it then checking down. Throw the damn ball. That's what sends the message.[/quote]

They don't have to stack the line in order to get pressure on Campbell. They can do it with just four down linemen. Hell, Pittsburgh did it with just three.

It doesn't matter how early in the game you start to throw it downfield. I've said it over and over -- Campbell is running for his life before the receivers have a chance to get deep.

Our line has allowed 14 sacks in the last three games, and when Campbell isn't sacked, he's being pelted, knocked down, and hit on just about every other throw. The line play is just plain bad. And that will cause everything on offense to stagnate.

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[quote=Stacks42;501852][B]I've been thinking about this for a while, and I know im going to get killed for saying it but...... Maybe Joe Bugel needs to go, not now today, but after this season. for 4-5 years it has been said that the strength of this team is the O-line, but pass protection has been an issue since hes been here. [/B]
Look how Russ Grim built the O-line in Arizona and Pittsburg for that matter. Kurt Warner has all day to throw the ball, JC has 2 maybe 3 seconds, thats just crap. Maybe its technique, I just cant believe that this issue cant or hasnt been resolved. The SKins have paid a hefty price for this line and at this point its one of the worst in pass blocking.[/quote]

Why is it Joe Bugel's fault? Do you think he's not coaching them right anymore?

Isn't it more reasonable to see that we have an old offensive line that hasn't been built for the future, with aging players whose performances are deteriorating to their natural state? There's a very fine line between experienced, veteran leadership and old guys who either struggle to stay healthy or just can't play anymore.

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[quote=Beemnseven;501994][B]Why is it Joe Bugel's fault? Do you think he's not coaching them right anymore? [/B]

Isn't it more reasonable to see that we have an old offensive line that hasn't been built for the future, with aging players whose performances are deteriorating to their natural state? There's a very fine line between experienced, veteran leadership and old guys who either struggle to stay healthy or just can't play anymore.[/quote]

There's always gotta be a fall guy, and for some reason people would rather look at the coaches first than the talent on the field.

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[quote=DarkKnight;501980]Rabach is garbage, and gets killed up the middle, Jansen best days are behind him, and there is not solid back up for this except, draft well, .....[/quote]

I think they have to play Heyer the rest of the way if for nothing else to see if he can really play in this league. Heyer may or may not be the future and they gotta see which one it is.

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;501888]I'm not saying that Big Ben has had a flawless season by any scope of the imagination but what I am contending is that he looks more poised in the face of heavy pressure. He looks through the rush and is still finding Holmes running out routes and and Ward over the middle for 10 to 12 yard chunks with relative accuracy. Would I rather have Ben than JC at this point in the season. Absolutely. The game isn't played in the stat column.[/quote]

I know the game isn't played in the stat column. My point was Big Ben isn't haven't a good season either. It hard to really compared Big Ben's poise to JC's poise when Ben has been playing longer, has a ring, and has Ward and Holmes as receivers. If JC had Holmes playing along side Moss you wouldn't even doubt JC's abiliity. Big Ben does move around a little better than JC, but JC seems to get rid of the ball a little quicker the Ben this year. Do you really think Big Ben would have done better than JC against a defense that is #1 against the pass and rushing the QB??? Harrison & Co. even had a veteran QB like McNabb looking like a rookie.

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there are 5 teams with fewer points scored than us:

det (0-10), STL (2,8), Cinci (1,8,1), Oak (2,8) and KC (1,9)

combined record (6,43,1)

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;502029]there are 5 teams with fewer points scored than us:

det (0-10), STL (2,8), Cinci (1,8,1), Oak (2,8) and KC (1,9)

combined record (6,43,1)[/quote]

I think that Det has more TDs but less points than the Skins. If memory serves, the Skins havent cracked 30 yet this season.

This is not a good group for the Skins to be in.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;502029]there are 5 teams with fewer points scored than us:

det (0-10), STL (2,8), Cinci (1,8,1), Oak (2,8) and KC (1,9)

combined record (6,43,1)[/quote]

wow. if not for our defense we'd be sitting right with these teams. i think this stat really shows that maybe the guys we have just aren't as good as most people think they are.

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[quote=irish;502005]I think they have to play Heyer the rest of the way if for nothing else to see if he can really play in this league. Heyer may or may not be the future and they gotta see which one it is.[/quote]

I agree. Heyer is not much of an asset in run blocking, but he's better than Jansen in pass protection and we need to see if he's a starting caliber tackle or a backup.

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[quote=Beemnseven;501993]They don't have to stack the line in order to get pressure on Campbell. They can do it with just four down linemen. Hell, Pittsburgh did it with just three.

It doesn't matter how early in the game you start to throw it downfield. I've said it over and over -- Campbell is running for his life before the receivers have a chance to get deep.

Our line has allowed 14 sacks in the last three games, and when Campbell isn't sacked, he's being pelted, knocked down, and hit on just about every other throw. The line play is just plain bad. And that will cause everything on offense to stagnate.[/quote]

I don't know what game you were watching but the Steelers linebackers were all over Campbell. Somehow other teams find a way to move the pocket or roll quarterbacks out to buy time. They do that because their line is'nt holding back the rush. Right now we could'nt block a defensive line of cubscouts and if we don't find a way to stretch the field it's only going to get worse. Campbell hit Moss right in the hands with a pass and he dropped it. Somehow he found time to do it. It's not easy because our line sucks but to just give up trying the long ball would be offensive suicide. Why do you think we're getting so much pressure? There's been no threat of the long ball. There is no doubt it starts with the line, but we have what we have. Whether it's max protection or whatever, we better find a way to get it done. We can hardly even complete intermediate to short passes because we don't stretch the field and defenses are playing up on us. If the defensive front four were the only problem, we should be able to run draws all day long. Maybe I'm using the term long ball to much. Even intermediate, 20-30 yard passes would help tremendously. I guess what frustrates me is the attitude of , we can't do that...... well what CAN we do?

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[quote=skinsnut;501712]This is a combination of line play and play calling.
If you noticed in the first month the line was playing better when the defenses didn't know what to expect because Zorn was new.
Well since then, Zorn continues to call the same exact plays regardless of opponent, thinking we can simply execute.
There were no adjustments for the Pitt defense with misdirection, screens, draws...etc
There were no adjustments for the Dallas weakness...deep passes in the secondary.

Bottom line is Zorn hasn't made any playcalling adjustments...certainly not at halftime.
And this one he had 2 weeks to plan.
It is entirely possible that this head coaching thing is taking so much of his time that he cannot dedicate to put in new plays and adjust offensive play calling as well as he should.

The lines play becomes easier if the defense is either off balance or if there is a lot of smash mouth running (since our lines strength is run blocking)
Right now, neither is going on.....how hard is it to predict a slant on 3rd and 3 anyways?

I am also getting a bit concerned on Zorn's ability to "inspire" the team for big games.
The defense seems "ok" but they dont have a killer instinct.
The offense needs a major adjustment, it has for weeks....if Pitt and Dallas after a bye doesn't result in an adjustment....I don't know what will.
Get ready for some more vanilla offense.[/quote]
I've read all the posts and it seems to me that the problems scoring is all of the above. I like SKINSNUT post the best. I feel Zorn is being over matched and out coached. It seems the offense has not adjusted to our opponents. It's not happening at half time and it's not happening in the initial gameplan. The Skins seem to run the same plays irregardless of the opponent and their strategies. Take for instance this last game against the Cowboys, the Cowboy corners were playing up tight trying to take away the wide receiver hitches, screens and slants, but the Redskins continued to attempt these type of plays the whole game. ADJUST. Fake the slant route, when the cornerback commits, run the go route. It's call the SLUGO (Slant and Go). Didn't see it. The offense looks very predictable. The book is out on Jim Zorn and he is not re-writing it.

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There are 5 teams (with a combined record of 6-43-1) that have scored fewer points that the Redskins. While our defense has been stout, I think we proved that they are over-worked. (see marion barber v redskins D for the last 6+ mins of the game). In this league, you need to 25+ points- we haven't.

Simply put, our offense must improve. Campbell can't keep taking these long sacks, Zorn needs to be more creative and trusting, Fred Davis needs to study, Randle El needs to stop returning punts and start being apart of more gadget plays, Jason Taylor needs to be healthy, Jasen needs to remember that he's a stud, kelly needs to heal up, and Rogers needs to learn how to catch. A contending team simply does not let a rusty tony romo waltz in, throw 2 INTs and still win.

Crowd noise: I have been to each of the past 5 Redskins v Cowboys games at FedEx, all were louder than Sunday Night.

That said, I'm not giving up- but please, please don't tell me the emperor is wearing clothes when he's clearly naked.

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Without a doubt the line...much hey was made early on that they were not giving up a lot of sacks, but that had more to do with the quick passing and running game than the protection afforded Jason Campbell, now that teams are starting to adjust to Clinton and Santana's run after catch abilities, Jason can't even think about looking deep or he would get crushed...

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;502052]I agree. Heyer is not much of an asset in run blocking, but he's better than Jansen in pass protection and we need to see if he's a starting caliber tackle or a backup.[/quote]Heyer was crappy in the Gibbs' run blocking system, but he was money as a run blocker in the first three games.

In run blocking only, I have Heyer charted as +12/-5 in the simple "Dillweed-style" good block/bad block system. I also have him as +1/-1 in the screen game in that time. He was blowing up Tuck in the run game, which was no easy feat. Of course, Tuck was giving it right back to him in the passing game, so it came out as a wash.

Of course, if Tuck faces Jansen in 2 weeks, we will have two plays: "Moss/Cooley screen left", and "Campbell sacked".

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I think the issues with our offense run pretty deep but basically stem from the performance and depth of our offensive line in pass protection (it's hard to argue with their effectiveness running the ball throughout the season).

I believe we have two outstanding pass protecting linemen when healthy: Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels. We have two solid lineman in Rabach and Kendall and one sub-par lineman in John Jansen.

I believe Samuels is not healthy however so I think at the ends, which is where a great deal of pressure is coming from, we are pretty much sub-par. I think you can mask this weakness against average defenses but we have been exploited against two of the two pass rushing defenses in the league. It's as simple as that.

We'll continue to be fine (I believe) against average pass rushes but until we get a star at right tackle and left guard and get Samuels healthy, we'll continue to see Campbell hurt by top-tier defenses.

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[B]For the season[/B], we're [U][B]significantly[/B][/U] above average in Offensive DVOA fwiw:

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008[/url]

I think any "problems" with the offense has to be based on the last two games in which we 1) looked utterly pathetic, 2) turned the ball over three times, 3) made no major plays down the field, and 4) generally did not move the ball regardless of field position.

My question to everyone on the Warpath (pun intended) is this: since we're so concerned about the state of the offense to the point that we can't mention everything else, what makes these last two games more meaningful to us than the prior seven. Because seven is a bigger number than two.

Might it just be just because these games are fresh in our minds? Because the Cowboys game was coming off a bye week (ignoring of course that the 'Boys were also coming off bye), because it was the Cowboys in general?

Or might we just be overreacting to the issues on the offensive side of the ball...

We certainly have been horseshit on offense lately, but with the exact same players, we've been great. Can't it be turned around?

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I think it can be turned around. I think the reason people are so upset is because number1, we could have put the Cowboys DOWN. We could have for all intents and purposes closed out any chance they had of going to the playoffs. To lose to the Cowgirls at home anytime is a bummer, but especially when this game was so important to them and to us. The 2nd thing ,for me personally, and I'm sure some others felt this way is, I was expecting this offense to improve not regress. That's VERY disappointing. Can we turn it around? Yes we can. Will we? That depends on the players and the coaches. But yes, we can.

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If we cannot protect the QB, we cannot generate offense, and therefore cannot score points.

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OL is the key; although there are other problem areas. Teams know we are a running team and are playing against that - making our OL look worse.

WR dropping a lot of balls.

Jason Campbell is good, but does not do well with a pass rush. He needs time for a play to develop; which may always be a problem for him.

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I have to say that it is a combination of offensive line, play calling, and turnovers. We are moving the ball, but we are doing it without getting chunks (like Gibb's used to talk about). We can see that doing it this way requires the margin of error to be so small that it is almost impossible to score TD's regularly. It is exactly what our defense makes other teams do so that we can hold them to low scores.
We need to see if we can trust Devin Thomas in a couple of jump ball situations. If we can, that creates serious pressure on defenses to have to cover him and Moss.
We can usually get the time to throw deep when we go play action and roll Jason out. That is on the coaches. Also, we don't try teh long ball enough. That is on the coaches.
Turnovers is on the players. Also, Rabach and Jansen are stuggling on the line in pass protection. One of the two needs to raise his level of play for us to go very far.

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I wish people would stop saying we don't TRY the long ball. If you define try as JZ calling a long ball, I think we have been trying. We just haven't been successful due to overthrows, dropped balls, wrong routes or bad pass blocking. Maybe we should do more, but when they've been called, we just haven't executed. (also maybe thats why the O is slowing down, cuz he is trying to get these type plays into the offense more than he did at first)

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[quote=GTripp0012;502169][B]For the season[/B], we're [U][B]significantly[/B][/U] above average in Offensive DVOA fwiw:

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008[/url]

I think any "problems" with the offense has to be based on the last two games in which we 1) looked utterly pathetic, 2) turned the ball over three times, 3) made no major plays down the field, and 4) generally did not move the ball regardless of field position.

My question to everyone on the Warpath (pun intended) is this: since we're so concerned about the state of the offense to the point that we can't mention everything else, what makes these last two games more meaningful to us than the prior seven. Because seven is a bigger number than two.

Might it just be just because these games are fresh in our minds? Because the Cowboys game was coming off a bye week (ignoring of course that the 'Boys were also coming off bye), because it was the Cowboys in general?

Or might we just be overreacting to the issues on the offensive side of the ball...

[B]We certainly have been horseshit on offense lately, but with the exact same players, we've been great. Can't it be turned around?[/quote]
[/B]


When were we great???

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O-LINE SUCKS!! Plus we need a solid secondray receiver. I hope Malcom or Devin can step up. ARE hasn't produced lately. He is at best playing at the level of a 3rd or 4th receiver..

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[quote=WaldSkins;502359][/b]


When were we great???[/quote]Games 2-5, and sporatically in games 6-8 (usually only in the 4th Qtr).

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;502357]I wish people would stop saying we don't TRY the long ball. If you define try as JZ calling a long ball, I think we have been trying. We just haven't been successful due to overthrows, dropped balls, wrong routes or bad pass blocking. Maybe we should do more, but when they've been called, we just haven't executed. (also maybe thats why the O is slowing down, cuz he is trying to get these type plays into the offense more than he did at first)[/quote]
I can't speak for anyone else, but when I'm talking about stretching the field by going long, I mean throwing it, not just calling it. I know I know, we can't throw it if we don't have time, we can't throw it if the players aren't running the correct routes, etc. What I mean is this. Romo threw a pass into tight coverage to a rookie tightend and won the game. Horton was on the receiver like white on rice and he threw it anyway. It won them the game. Would JC have thrown the ball in the exact circumstance or would he have checked down? Sometimes you have to take a chance and at least let the defense know you are going to take a shot. JC is doing what he's told. Sometimes you need to go for it and give your receiver a chance to make the play. Some people would say we do try. Did'nt we throw to Santana and he dropped it? That's one play out of a whole game. ONE. And if he would of held it, we might have won the game. I'd say that makes it worth the try. Are we so good that we don't need to take chances? I don't think so. If we continue to just take what the defense gives us, we're in trouble because lately they have'nt been giving us s**t. We can't always allow the defense to dictate the play of our offense. From what I've been reading I believe we are going to try to open things up a little bit and maybe get Kelly and Thomas a little more involved in the offense. I think we're at the point of doing it out of neccessity, not because it's a perfect situation or the rooks know all their stuff now or we have the perfect coverage on our receivers. To move forward, sometimes you just have to go for it. I'm really HOPING the o-line starts stepping up, maybe completing a few 15-20-25 yard passes will keep the opponents "D" from bringing the farm every down.

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I think QB accuracy decreases when their vision is obscured. That translates into picks and if that happens, expect more of the same from the enemy defense. Also, I think Campbell actually had time on that play. Anytime a 5 or 4 WR set is used, I get the feeling Campbell is going to be under pressure and the play will fail miserably.

Re: Redskins Offense: What's the Problem?
 

This year seems nearly the same as last year, the skins move the ball fairly well between the 20s but struggle in the redzone. Last year many of us were saying the same thing, we need a 2nd receiver or the oline as JC was being harrased alot.

My question is why is it when TC stepped in and our offense did better, including the redzone?

My thought is that JC was/still is reluctant to take chances. I think not having a 2nd receiver or oline contributes it, but how much is it their fault and how much of it is JCs?