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[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/05/hall-interested-teams-already-calling/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Hall: Interested teams already calling «[/url]

Thats the latest that I've read about. I think the Redskins' might actually be interested because they did try to pursue him in the offseason.

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[quote=SmootSmack;497922]I don't think it would hurt to at least bring Hall and Walker in to Redskins Park during the next two weeks and see what they can do[/quote]

finally, someone who with some reason. just a look want hurt

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;498225]RAIDERS OFFERED HALL A CHANCE TO STAY
Posted by Mike Florio on November 5, 2008, 10:10 p.m.

A league source tells us that the Oakland Raiders offered to keep cornerback DeAngelo Hall for the rest of the 2008 season.

But to stay Hall would have had to sacrifice the injury guarantee applicable to his $9 million option bonus due in March 2009 and his guaranteed base salary of $7.5 million for 2009.

Hall declined.

Teams have until Thursday to make waiver claims for Hall. The more likely outcome is that Hall won’t be claimed, and that he’ll become an unrestricted free agent.

There is increasing speculation that the Patriots could be interested in adding Hall, under a minimum-salary deal for the balance of the season. The thinking in some circles is that the Pats would rely upon their veteran leadership in the locker room to influence Hall to be something other than a turd.

And if he steps out of line even once, the Pats would undoubtedly cut him loose.

Finally, several readers have asked us to explain the concept of injury and skill guarantees. OK, we’ll do it. (Insert eye roll here.)

An injury guarantee ensures payment in the event a player is (duh) injured. A skill guarantee means that the player gets the money even if, as in Hall’s case, he is cut.

The reality in Hall’s case is that the reports of “guaranteed” money in the amount of $24 million omitted the fact that $16.5 million of it was guaranteed for injury only.[/quote]

first before you bring this up like, it was such a good choice to stay, this is the NFL, and like a team can drop you for no reason, he got out of that hell hole which is Oakland, i would to, to look at better oppourtunites.......Fuck Oakland

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i'd rather see him in dc than in dallas,ny,or philly.javon walker too.if we have the openings,why not sign them at a fair price for the rest of the season?

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[quote=TaylorMade21;498249][URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/05/hall-interested-teams-already-calling/"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Hall: Interested teams already calling «[/URL]

Thats the latest that I've read about. I think the Redskins' might actually be interested because they did try to pursue him in the offseason.[/quote]

They were interested when Rogers was still a big question mark coming off his injury.

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[quote=GMScud;498056]But Devin doesn't even know the playbook. He's running the wrong routes, which apparently led to an INT against Pitt. If him taking lumps hurts us like that, I say ride the pine. Of course, with Moss hurt our receiving corps drops off like the Grand Canyon, so we really have no choice but to play him. With Moss, ARE, Cooley, and then three pass catchers taken with the first three picks, I would have never envisioned us having this kind of discussion. Damn.[/quote]


Of course Devin is screwing up though; he's a rookie playing in an offense that is new for everyone. As good as we are now, we need to take a long term approach. It will take years for the entire team to learn this offense, but when it finally does, it will be nasty. The more we can keep guys in (ESPECIALLY guys who are making mistakes) the more dividends it will pay in the long run.

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Thomas was very green coming in, so I guess we shouldn't be too surprised with him so far. Regardless it's just frustrating. But I think the reality of it is we can't count on him for much of anything this year. I hope he works his butt off in the offseason to learn and improve.

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[url=http://nflblogs.profootballweekly.com/AroundtheNFL/2008/11/where_might_deangelo_hall_end.html]Where might DeAngelo Hall end up? (Around the NFL)[/url]

Redskins: Shawn Springs has been banged up. The club loved what it had seen from Carlos Rogers -- until Monday, that is. Leigh Torrence has done a nice job as the nickel back and has filled in outside, but he might be better as a No. 4 or 5 corner. Fred Smoot makes plays but doesn't always cover consistently. The Redskins looked at Hall this offseason.

I got to think that the 3 most likely places are us, the Pats, and the Broncos.

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[quote=Mattyk72;498267]Thomas was very green coming in, so I guess we shouldn't be too surprised with him so far. Regardless it's just frustrating. But I think the reality of it is we can't count on him for much of anything this year. I hope he works his butt off in the offseason to learn and improve.[/quote]

Matty, you make a good point but you would have to admit its quite discouraging that other rookie wide receivers (Donnie Avery, DeSean Jackson, Eddie Royal, ...) have gotten off to good starts and our three #2 picks are having a hard time making a minimum contribution.

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Yeah, he has personality issues and can cause problems in a locker room.

Dallas will sign him.

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Can he play OT??

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[quote=Mattyk72;497914]There's no way I'd touch him.[/quote]
Thats good to know.

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Walker has not been released nor will he be according to this article:

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-raiders-hall&prov=ap&type=lgns]Raiders cut ties with Hall after 8 games - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

But you never know, after all it is the Raidas!!

[B]Cable said he hopes the move sends the message that no one’s job is safe, but he went out of his way to say that receiver Javon Walker won’t be the next high-priced acquisition to go. Walker, who signed a $55 million contract in the offseason, has only 13 catches at the midpoint of the season.

“Javon has really brought his game to a whole new level the last few weeks, whether it’s on the practice field or in the games,” Cable said. “Javon Walker is in no way not going to be a part of this football team. I don’t know about all the money stuff, or high priced, or this or that. I just know what I’m trying to do to make this team better.”[/B]

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Hall will not clear waivers. His contract, the way I understand it, means a team can pick him up for his remaining salarie this year of $800,000. After that I am not sure, but I think, a team could cut him at very little cap loss. So, if he works out they steal him, and if he does not, they dont loose much. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the cap ramifications, could help us out. This is why I think he does not clear waivers. I also think that the Redskins take him if he makes it to them. That scenario is unlikely, because Dallas wont pass him up, and they come before us the way I understand waivers.

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Well, part of the reason the Raiders cut him now was to avoid $16M in bonuses that apparently become due or unrevocable after a certain point. Not sure how they play into the cap, but by picking him up on waivers a team would probably be responsible for that as if it were a signing bonus. 16M would have some significant cap ramifications and I doubt anyone would want to take that kind of risk on a head case who couldn't make it 8 games with the Raiders.

My bet is he clears waivers, signs for a moderate signing bonus and has an incentive laden contract.

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16m...........holy Sh..! THAT may be strip some of the allure of that deal?

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I believe the 16 mil is an injury insurance clause that should he get hurt, he would still get 16 mil guaranteed. That's a lot even if he could play OT. :pimp:

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I wonder if Hall was fired for Cause, or for Performance?

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Then he'll end up on the Dallas Cowboys because Jerry Jones loves garbage.

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Here is the bottom line on Hall: "In his eight games in Oakland, Hall was beaten 40 times for 552 yards on 66 passes thrown his way, according to data compiled by STATS LLC. He gave up more yards than any defender this season and was tied for third worst in catches allowed." He is a name, he is a bust, he is a liability on the field, he is potentially a liability off the field, and he has an extremely inflated opinion of his own skills, which his play does not support. Just because you make the Pro Bowl does not mean you are a great player. The tape doesn't lie, the Redskins coaches will see that. Hopefully he will end up in Dallas and Santana Moss can abuse him after the bye.

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I would take DH or Walker for a cheap contract, a la Shawn Alexander. Springs is a great corner, but he's hurt and there's no telling if he's going to stay healthy through the rest of the season and the playoffs. DH could add depth to our CBs, and I am not sure if he can, but he could be a new punt returner for the team (although I think he fielded kickoffs and not punts). I think Greg Blache could put DH in his place and keep him quiet. Our team has had its share of divas, and I think we've fared well with them.

I think the argument for Walker is the strongest, Moss is hurt, ARE is not a #1 receiver, Thomas is making rookie mistakes, and all that we have left is Cooley. So once again, if we can get him cheap, I say why not.

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[quote=Ruhskins;498336]I would take DH or Walker for a cheap contract, a la Shawn Alexander. Springs is a great corner, but he's hurt and there's no telling if he's going to stay healthy through the rest of the season and the playoffs. DH could add depth to our CBs, and I am not sure if he can, but he could be a new punt returner for the team (although I think he fielded kickoffs and not punts). I think Greg Blache could put DH in his place and keep him quiet. Our team has had its share of divas, and I think we've fared well with them.

I think the argument for Walker is the strongest, Moss is hurt, ARE is not a #1 receiver, Thomas is making rookie mistakes, and all that we have left is Cooley. So once again, if we can get him cheap, I say why not.[/quote]

Couldn't of put it better myself. Keywords being CHEAP REASONABLE CONTRACTS.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;498335]Here is the bottom line on Hall: "In his eight games in Oakland, Hall was beaten 40 times for 552 yards on 66 passes thrown his way, according to data compiled by STATS LLC. He gave up more yards than any defender this season and was tied for third worst in catches allowed." He is a name, he is a bust, he is a liability on the field, he is potentially a liability off the field, and he has an extremely inflated opinion of his own skills, which his play does not support. Just because you make the Pro Bowl does not mean you are a great player. The tape doesn't lie, the Redskins coaches will see that. Hopefully he will end up in Dallas and Santana Moss can abuse him after the bye.[/quote]

I think that pretty much says it all. Even if we got him for free. Why would you even want him on your team?

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[quote=firstdown;498294]Thats good to know.[/quote]
:silly:

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Wow

[URL="http://www.arielpublicity.com/sucker/logo.gif"]ESPN - Redskins Sign CB DeAngelo Hall to 8 Year $80M Contract[/URL]

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[quote=Mattyk72;498362]Wow

[URL="http://www.arielpublicity.com/sucker/logo.gif"]ESPN - Redskins Sign CB DeAngelo Hall to 8 Year $80M Contract[/URL][/quote]


I swore I was going to be Rick Rolled.

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[quote=Mattyk72;498362]Wow

[URL="http://www.arielpublicity.com/sucker/logo.gif"]ESPN - Redskins Sign CB DeAngelo Hall to 8 Year $80M Contract[/URL][/quote]

Thanks Matty. My heartbeat just went haywire. :)

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nottt cool i was looking all over espn and nfl.com to see if that was really true.

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[quote=Mattyk72;498362]Wow

[URL="http://www.arielpublicity.com/sucker/logo.gif"]ESPN - Redskins Sign CB DeAngelo Hall to 8 Year $80M Contract[/URL][/quote]

This was a major sucker punch....I just about barfed before I clicked on it.
Good one Matty!

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Ban Matty!!!!!!! :rofl:

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He is considering signing with the Skins' though, man that would be sweet.