Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

They should have signed Kelvin Kight who is another Patriot WR that was cut formally from the U of Florida. Did you see his game against the Giants? He will be a steal.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[quote=Blue Star;350852]Didn't you read it was too boring for me too watch.

Try the whole season with a rookie and you will get rookie results.

Adding WR just does not make any sense that all. Washington goes out Gets Lloyd and Randel El cut Patten picks Thrash up and now picks up Reche. Yall are not good at throwing the ball in the first place why keep adding WR.[/quote]

If you were too bored to watch, then your too ignorant to comment on. So do everyone a favor and don't. Go blab off some homer comments to some other homer cowboys board.

We don't have to try a season with a rookie, because a rookie filled in for Jansen against Miami. His back-up (who didn't play against Miami because he was nursing an injury) is proven tackle Todd Wade, who some even consider an upgrade over aging Jansen.

So we'll have rookie Stephon Heyer (who filled in flawlessly against Miami), backing up proven veteran Todd Wade. That's depth more than most teams in the NFL.

Adding another teams former #1 WR to challenge an unproductive Lloyd (a #3 receiver) right now makes all the sense in the world. I personally think it's a great signing.

Oh, and like I said before, make sense... or go home. No one wants to here you whine about something that you don't know what your talking about.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[quote=Blue Star;350832]why are the Redskins still adding wideouts that are not worth shi*. I was watching that Miami game a little Sunday as I kept falling asleep because it was so boring and saw when Jansen went down. I knew he was gone for the season instantly. Why not pick up some depth there. Geez the skins management is so dumb. Way worse then the Cowboys management for not picking up D Darius at safety and having a team filled with DE on defense. I see it now skins are gonna trade away there draft picks again. I love it.[/quote]

I'm with Rob. You really, really, really must not have paid any goddamn attention whatsoever.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[quote=RobH4413;351033]So we'll have rookie Stephon Heyer (who filled in flawlessly against Miami), backing up proven veteran Todd Wade. That's depth more than most teams in the NFL. [/quote]

Not only that, what about depth for the Cowboys? You neglected to mention their depth. At least the Skins aren't super worried because they have not just ONE, but TWO capable backups.

What happens if the Cowboys have ANYONE on the OL go down? Who's their backup that's going to step in and not miss a beat? I'd love to know...

Re: JLC: Reche Caldwell is in the Building
 

[quote=Schneed10;350593]While I'd absolutely love to see Lloyd gone because I hate his guts and think he's completely worthless, I think we're probably stuck with him through 2008 at the least.

Releasing him any time before the end of this season would put us over the salary cap for this year, so we can't do that.

Releasing him after the season ends, but before June 1, would cost us $3.0 million in 2008 cap space. Releasing him after June 1 would save us about $2.5 million of 2008 space, but we'd have to eat a dead cap charge of $5.3 million in 2009.

They could always try to trade him like they did with Archuleta, and get a team to redo his deal and assume some signing bonus money for us. That'd keep our cap hit nice and low. But I can't see anyone wanting the bum!

I've seen the Skins eat big charges before, so anything is possible, but I would call it very likely that we'll keep him through 2008 at minimum.[/quote]

I think you are right on with them not cutting him sooner than later - you'd have to think with Gibbs getting up there in years the focus is on win now at all costs and worry about the future later - they'll probably defer the cap hit until 2009 like you said and someone else besides Gibbs will have to deal with the issue at that time.

One other thing to consider with the timing of Llyod's cut - does cutting Brunell and Springs in the coming years have an effect on the cut timing decision as well?

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

Kind of crazy that with Reche we now have 4 players from the 2nd round of the 2002 draft-Caldwell, Portis, Betts, Randle El

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

i just hope that Caldwell turns out better then the other wide outs that we have had from Florida :(

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[quote=dmek25;351361]i just hope that Caldwell turns out better then the other wide outs that we have had from Florida :([/quote]

He's already had a better career than most, though the pats kept gaffney didn't they?

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[quote=SmootSmack;351352]Kind of crazy that with Reche we now have 4 players from the 2nd round of the 2002 draft-Caldwell, Portis, Betts, Randle El[/quote]

Wow. I thought Caldwell was older than that.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

He will be a game day inactive for the whole season unless we have an injury to one of the wideouts

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

Janky do you have a link or something that proves that? I mean this guy is good enough to be on the field. Better than Thrash and Lloyd.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

Does anyone know for sure where Caldwell will fall in our system? My brother is saying that he is seeing reports (in Boston mind you) that Caldwell will be our #3 and replacing Lloyd. Can anyone verify this is true or not? Do we even know for sure yet?

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

I read the same thing on one of the articles posted on the WP. Maybe it was the New Jersey paper???? Not sure if it's fact, but I'm gonna' give Lloyd a call, and see what he wants for his house.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

From today's WPost (note the crucial phrase!):

Caldwell to Practice Today

Wide receiver Reche Caldwell, signed to a one-year[COLOR="Red"][B] veteran minimum contract[/B][/COLOR] of $595,000 on Tuesday, will practice with the Redskins for the first time today and hopes to be able to play Monday night. Caldwell was a starter with the Patriots last year but was released before the start of this season.

By waiting until this week to sign Caldwell, the Redskins avoided having to guarantee his base salary. He received no signing bonus, according to league sources, but could push to be a part of the top three rotation at wide receiver. Caldwell's signing leaves the Redskins about $2 million under the salary cap, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/12/AR2007091202459.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[quote=Cowell;351411]Janky do you have a link or something that proves that? I mean this guy is good enough to be on the field. Better than Thrash and Lloyd.[/quote]

Everybody hates on James Thrash. Throw him the ball, he catches it.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

I think this move means the end for Brandon Lloyd. He is so done here. That play in the endzone last week sealed his fate.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[quote=Monksdown;351791]Everybody hates on James Thrash. Throw him the ball, he catches it.[/quote]

I was going to post this before i read your post. What is so bad about JT as a #3? I'd like to think that he would be a pretty good #3. When he's in the game he ususually makes plays right? I guess the coaches see something else.

It's not a bad pickup for that price. Caldwell can play. However i doubt he catches 25 balls this year.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[quote=redsk1;351803]I was going to post this before i read your post. What is so bad about JT as a #3? I'd like to think that he would be a pretty good #3. When he's in the game he ususually makes plays right? I guess the coaches see something else.

It's not a bad pickup for that price. Caldwell can play. However i doubt he catches 25 balls this year.[/quote]


You think? If this guy get's into a groove he could exceed that I would think.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

I saw video of Caldwell practicing on Sportsnite last night and I couldn't stop thinking, "man his eyes are still huge".

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

I have a feeling that everyone is going to be very disappointed with Reche....I would take brandon lloyd over him any day....he's got twice the talent. And Reche doesn't bring much to the table...he's a loser at heart.

We will see i guess....i like the move becuase it gives lloyd a kick in the ass, but to lloyd's credit....we almost never throw to him

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

Well, I think after this move Lloyd's career as a Redskins are done. Who knows there is a small chance this could act as some sort of slap in the face and get him moving, I doubt it though.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

if the coaches are comfortable with him wioth the limited amount of practice he's had i say "play Him". hes a good receiver. Damn this could be interesting.
THROW HIM THE BALL JASON

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;351836]I have a feeling that everyone is going to be very disappointed with Reche....I would take brandon lloyd over him any day....he's got twice the talent. And Reche doesn't bring much to the table...he's a loser at heart.

We will see i guess....i like the move becuase it gives lloyd a kick in the ass, but to lloyd's credit....we almost never throw to him[/QUOTE]

Reche had a much better season than Lloyd last year. He was very productive. Just because Lloyd is more talented, it doesn't make him a better player overall. I think Reche bring WAY more to the table than B.Lloyd.

Plus B.Lloyd has a shitty attitude and doesn't seem to care about anything but himself. I'll Reche over B.Lloyd any day. Shit, I'll take Taylor Jacobs over B.Lloyd right now. Yeah...I said it.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[quote=Redskins_P;352479]Reche had a much better season than Lloyd last year. He was very productive. Just because Lloyd is more talented, it doesn't make him a better player overall. I think Reche bring WAY more to the table than B.Lloyd.

Plus B.Lloyd has a shitty attitude and doesn't seem to care about anything but himself. I'll Reche over B.Lloyd any day. Shit, I'll take Taylor Jacobs over B.Lloyd right now. Yeah...I said it.[/quote]


He also had a better quarterback throwing to him in an established offensive system. Not saying he isn't better than Lloyd, just that let's not crown him the new #3 because of what he did somewhere else last year.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

No big deal, in case no one realized Patton looked awful good with Brady throwing to him, Caldwell is nothing special just another experienced WR to fill in. It sounds to me like Lloyd is very malcontent because of the way he has been used, and from what I can gather his effort on that 1 INT which I haven't seen raised some eye brows on his desire to succeed on the field. I doubt Lloyd would be having these problems if he had Brady throwing to him, it's been night and day for R.Moss.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;352483]He also had a better quarterback throwing to him in an established offensive system. Not saying he isn't better than Lloyd, just that let's not crown him the new #3 because of what he did somewhere else last year.[/QUOTE]

Trust me, I'm not crowning anything. I just pointing out that he's been much more productive than Lloyd.

I do agree that he had a better QB and system, but you can't blame him for taking advantage of that opportunity. Lloyd hasn't been able to do that.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

I think the thing that separates Lloyd from Caldwell is that Caldwell doesn't have much talent and Lloyd has plenty, but Caldwell tries hard and Lloyd [B]usually [/B]doesn't.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

We have too much invested in Lloyd to throw him out the window when we are short on receivers

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

I honestly don't consider that short on receivers. Especially if we can Moss and Cooley more involved.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[quote=Cowell;352655]I think the thing that separates Lloyd from Caldwell is that Caldwell doesn't have much talent and Lloyd has plenty, but Caldwell tries hard and Lloyd [B]usually [/B]doesn't.[/quote]Wait, why again is Lloyd more talented than Caldwell.

Caldwell was a second round choice out of Florida. Lloyd was a 4th rounder out of the powerhouse that is the University of Illinois.

Caldwell is not only more talented than Lloyd, but is also sharper mentally, and a harder worker. Give him 3-4 weeks and he will have put him away on the depth chart.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

[quote=The Zimmermans;352672]We have too much invested in Lloyd to throw him out the window when we are short on receivers[/quote]For people who think that the one elite receiver, one elite TE approach is not enough in terms of offensive weapons, I ask you to keep a close eye on the Houston Texans' offense this year. Their No. 2 is Kevin Walter, who very generously can be called identical in skill to Randle El. I bet we will finish ranked very similar to the Texans offense at the end of the year, somewhere between 10-15.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

Joe Bugel was very indignant about the effort of Lloyd on the interception, before and after the pick. I can understand his reaction.

Lloyd does have talent, but talent is only one part of making a player. I don't have hard feelings towards Lloyd. I just think that it would be better for the team if he be the last receiver, and then be released at the end of the season, to minimize cap repercussions. I don't think there is any point in getting critical, as fans, of Lloyd. Not every player you bring in works out. I do think it's time to move on and replace him in the lineup.

Lloyd looked good with his talent and his personality can be charming. No doubt the team felt he could be made into a top flight receiver if he came to Washington, with a much more mature coaching staff than he had in SF. Any sort of the personality conflicts he had in SF they probably felt they could handle in DC and keep him focused.

However, Lloyd wasn't prepared for the bright lights of big city Washington. Football is a much bigger part of the community in DC than in SF. The pressure was high. It was a lot to ask of Lloyd to come in and be the number two receiver. The offense was entirely new last year, and expectations were very high. Brunell was at the end as a starter and there was too much change all around for Lloyd to deal with. His attitude got negative.

He seemed to be ready to go for this season after training in Arizona with Springs' trainer. However, I don't think he has clicked with the team, as his effort on the interception implies. He doesn't, from my vantage point, (which might be wrong), have the "one for all and all for one" spirit. I think he is becoming a distraction.

So Reche Caldwell has been signed, and I think this means that the Redskins' experiment with Lloyd is largely over.

Lloyd may be able to move to another team and get on track. I'm not critical of him myself, I think its just time to let others play who fit the mold of a "Redskins type of player." I'm not clear that Lloyd fits that mold, and I think that is essential if you are going to succeed here.

If he can turn it around and show otherwise, all power to him.

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

They should have taken Kelvin Kight...trust me. A no name but a better receiver

Re: JLC: Redskins Sign WR Reche Caldwell
 

Where is Caldwell? The "reports" said he'd be our #3, and he's no where to be found.