Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;326852]You're twisting everything...how freakin hard would it have been to PASS him? They do it at EVERY RACE...passing is a part of the sport...but I guess Tony is too good to leave his line. HAHAHA. 100% tony's fault. No other way of looking at this.[/QUOTE]

Keep in mind that bumping is just as much a part of the sport...especially when it involves a teammate. In fact, Kyle Busch complained that he didn't win because his teammates [U]didn't[/U] bump-draft him at the end.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[quote=SmootSmack;326860]Keep in mind that bumping is just as much a part of the sport...especially when it involves a teammate. In fact, Kyle Busch complained that he didn't win because his teammates [U]didn't[/U] bump-draft him at the end.[/quote]

What do you know about that kind of stuff? How many hours a year do you put into watching NASCAR? 2000? You act like it's your job or something.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[quote=SmootSmack;326853]You have to be willing to listen to the other side Jsarno, instead of constantly ridiculing it. It doesn't seem that you want to though[/quote]


smoot, after listening to you.... and SEEING the race. What other side is there? I think? at least some of the people know something about racing that are posting on this thread, from what I've read.

You've been doing your NASCAR job for however long.....not to throw age into this,( because often that doesn't mean jack) but I've been involved with NASCAR/STOCK CAR RACING for alot longer than yourself, just due to I'm quite a bit older than yourself and I understand it well.

Do you really believe TS was NOT at fault?

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;326862]smoot, after listening to you.... and SEEING the race. What other side is there? I think? at least some of the people know something about racing that are posting on this thread, from what I've read.

You've been doing your NASCAR job for however long.....not to throw age into this,( because often that doesn't mean jack) but I've been involved with NASCAR/STOCK CAR RACING for alot longer than yourself, just due to I'm quite a bit older than yourself and I understand it well.

Do you really believe TS was NOT at fault?[/quote]

He already said in a reply to you on page 3:

[QUOTE]Tony Stewart is most probably at fault for the crash on Sunday. I'll cede that. I still think Hamlin may have slowed up a bit but whatever.
[/QUOTE]

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;326853]You have to be willing to listen to the other side Jsarno, instead of constantly ridiculing it. It doesn't seem that you want to though[/QUOTE]

Umm, it's either Stewarts fault, or it isn't. I've heard the side of the story of "it's not", but everyone that says it is a Stewart fan. Using the laws of the road, and physics, it's tony's fault. You even admitted it likely is his fault.
You can always look at an orange and say it's purple, but it's the common sense part that takes over and tells you..."No, that's orange". This is one of those cases. It's not hard to figure out at all, the whole world saw him ram Hamlin.
Keep in mind that Stewart was also in "the draft", so he will of course go faster than Hamlin due to less wind resistance.

Please, tell me this...why in the world did he not slow down, or pass him?

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[IMG]http://www.boastingrights.com/mike/tonystewart.jpg[/IMG]

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;326862]smoot, after listening to you.... and SEEING the race. What other side is there? I think? at least some of the people know something about racing that are posting on this thread, from what I've read.

You've been doing your NASCAR job for however long.....not to throw age into this,( because often that doesn't mean jack) but I've been involved with NASCAR/STOCK CAR RACING for alot longer than yourself, just due to I'm quite a bit older than yourself and I understand it well.

Do you really believe TS was NOT at fault?[/QUOTE]

I do know that there are plenty of people who know about racing posting on this thread. But I also know that there are plenty that don't really know. I also know that there are plenty of people that are basing their decisions on their preconceived notions of Tony Stewart. Or at least letting those notions severely influence their judgment.

I can't really argue the point of what kind of people Stewart and Hamlin truly are when the cameras aren't rolling or the type of teammates they are because all I can offer is my own personal encounters with the two. People want to believe that Stewart is a jerk then what can I do about it. I know what he is really like (so do his teammates) and I also know that he shouldn't have said what he said.

Now, as someone who understands NASCAR, then you certainly understand the points I've made several times-that just because a lead driver is bumped from behind doesn't mean that's a bad thing, that it's extremely dangerous to attempt a bump-draft on a corner, that Stewart has been one of the most vocal drivers against bump-drafting on the corner, that either Stewart sped up too fast too soon or Hamlin slowed down. And that both are great drivers with nothing to gain from wrecking. Someone obviously messed up. And it was probably Stewart. Especially when you consider that he knew Hamlin's car was running tight.

I suspect they were going to do a bump-draft on the upcoming straightaway. Though, in my opinion, that'd be way too early in the race.

But the point is that to the average fan it's natural to see a crash and say well the person who made the initial hit must be at fault. And that a hit is a bad thing. But, as you well know, that's not always the case.

I've definitely learned a lot about NASCAR and its intricacies, and I thought maybe I'd share some of that with those that don't have the same information and access to that information. But if people don't care to hear it, I'll gladly stop talking about it.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;326880] Someone obviously messed up. And it was probably Stewart. Especially when you consider that he knew Hamlin's car was running tight. [/QUOTE]

Good enough for me...this thread has gone VERY stale. The same things are being said over and over again, and we're not getting anywhere.
Enjoy guys.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[quote=724Skinsfan;326865]He already said in a reply to you on page 3:[/quote]


That was a general response, not to me, but who cares. I didn't scroll back multipule pages......but there you have it....!

What other side needs to be seen? I don't get your point on viewing the other side. You just said TS was at FAULT!


Which is 100% correct. There is no other side.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan;326878][IMG]http://www.boastingrights.com/mike/tonystewart.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Oh, I forgot to comment on this:

LOL..that's funny.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;326884]Oh, I forgot to comment on this:

LOL..that's funny.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I made it today.
lol

TS wrecked Denny Hamlin and even TS fans have told me so. He's miffed cus DH is getting star treatment at JGR and TS is struggling. TS was lashing out at JGR more than DH...but to DH too.

TS wrecked DH and is a crybaby/blamer.
Whaaaaaaaa


peace

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[quote=SmootSmack;326880]I do know that there are plenty of people who know about racing posting on this thread. But I also know that there are plenty that don't really know. I also know that there are plenty of people that are basing their decisions on their preconceived notions of Tony Stewart. Or at least letting those notions severely influence their judgment.

I can't really argue the point of what kind of people Stewart and Hamlin truly are when the cameras aren't rolling or the type of teammates they are because all I can offer is my own personal encounters with the two. People want to believe that Stewart is a jerk then what can I do about it. I know what he is really like (so do his teammates) and I also know that he shouldn't have said what he said.

Now, as someone who understands NASCAR, then you certainly understand the points I've made several times-that just because a lead driver is bumped from behind doesn't mean that's a bad thing, that it's extremely dangerous to attempt a bump-draft on a corner, that Stewart has been one of the most vocal drivers against bump-drafting on the corner, that either Stewart sped up too fast too soon or Hamlin slowed down. And that both are great drivers with nothing to gain from wrecking. Someone obviously messed up. And it was probably Stewart. Especially when you consider that he knew Hamlin's car was running tight.

I suspect they were going to do a bump-draft on the upcoming straightaway. Though, in my opinion, that'd be way too early in the race.

But the point is that to the average fan it's natural to see a crash and say well the person who made the initial hit must be at fault. And that a hit is a bad thing. But, as you well know, that's not always the case.

I've definitely learned a lot about NASCAR and its intricacies, and I thought maybe I'd share some of that with those that don't have the same information and access to that information. But if people don't care to hear it, I'll gladly stop talking about it.[/quote]

Hey man, I don't have a clue to TS or DH off the track (Proubally both do alot of good?). All I know is what I see and understand on the track.

I would not have made the last post if I would have caught this first.

Thanks for your insight and opinion, very helpfull to the masses, you make some very GOOD points!

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Name all the drivers who have won championships in USAC, IROC, IndyCar, Cup (two), and have won two of the last three Pepsi 400s
Haha,I like the signature SS.;)

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[quote=Riggo44;326889]Name all the drivers who have won championships in USAC, IROC, IndyCar, Cup (two), and have won two of the last three Pepsi 400s
Haha,I like the signature SS.;)[/quote]

Hum.......? I'm gonna go out on a little limb here...? SS boy?

TS....? BINGO...? :spank:

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;326887]Hey man, I don't have a clue to TS or DH off the track (Proubally both do alot of good?). All I know is what I see and understand on the track.

I would not have made the last post if I would have caught this first.

Thanks for your insight and opinion, very helpfull to the masses, you make some very GOOD points![/QUOTE]

Just trying to add to the discussion. I used to hate Stewart but over time I became a fan. I think they both bounce back this weekend in Chicago

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Guys, it was really my fault. Sorry 'bout that. I'll try not to let it happen again. :embarrass

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

I need some of this!
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[IMG]http://i8.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/89/c9/8672_1.JPG[/IMG]

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Hamlin and Stewart have put this behind them, no reason why the rest of us shouldn't as well.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;328316]Hamlin and Stewart have put this behind them, no reason why the rest of us shouldn't as well.[/QUOTE]

well, it fun is one reason but you can do anything you want. Can you quote your source on them putting this behind them? I've not read that anywhere.

Thanks bro

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Put it behind.......that's were that strikin paper goes! Get with it smoot, a little humor never hurt a soul.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan;328321]well, it fun is one reason but you can do anything you want. Can you quote your source on them putting this behind them? I've not read that anywhere.

Thanks bro[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60722]autosport.com - NASCAR News: Gibbs drivers put crash behind them[/url]

There are more but that should suffice

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Said Hamlin had put it behind him. Stewart I guess did too

Still doesn't mean I've put it behind me. Stewart was and is a jerk on and off the race track. Into the wall with him!

lol

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan;328327]Said Hamlin had put it behind him.

Still doesn't mean I've put it behind me. Stewart was and is a jerk on and off the race track. Into the wall with him!

lol[/QUOTE]

Well, why'd you ask me to quote a source saying they'd put it behind them then? Sorry I can't find the article about SBF putting it behind him, though I doubt they're too concerned about that. :)

Tony's a good guy. He said stupid stuff and he can be way too emotionl, but overall he's a good guy

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

If I thought you had a problem with me jacking with Tony or you I'd quit but I know you can take some ribbing bro.

Thanks and let's race on!

Go JGR!
Everyday is Race Day!

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Tony and I can take it. He'll be winning again soon enough. He's too good not to

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;328333]Tony and I can take it. He'll be winning again soon enough. He's too good not to[/QUOTE]

I think him a Jr. are the only 2 drivers in the Chase without a win.

Smoke will grab a win soon. I just hope Denny gets a couple more before we start Chasing.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Well Clint Bowyer doesn't have a win yet either, nor does Kyle Busch on the Cup side. Junior better step it up, especially next year. He's got all the tools and support he needs at Hendrick. Time for him to win

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[quote=SmootSmack;328333]Tony and I can take it. He'll be winning again soon enough. He's too good not to[/quote]


Define soon enough. Do you think your buddy will win this season?

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Yeah, I think his first win will come at the Brickyard in two weeks. Who knows, it might be sooner.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;328333]Tony and I can take it. He'll be winning again soon enough. He's too good not to[/QUOTE]

Not if my boy Jeff has anything to do with it. Or the entire Hendricks team! LOL.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Ahhhh.... they have not really put this all behind them. Tony did finally get it at the end of this piece where he says he should have kept his mouth shut. Also shows that JGR as well as the millions of fans all finally saw the same thing. Tony Wrecked Hamlin

Source:[url=http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/07/13/dhamlin.tstewart.chicago/index.html]NASCAR.COM - Hamlin vents frustration over teammate Stewart - Jul 13, 2007[/url]

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan;328675]Ahhhh.... they have not really put this all behind them. Tony did finally get it at the end of this piece where he says he should have kept his mouth shut. Also shows that JGR as well as the millions of fans all finally saw the same thing. Tony Wrecked Hamlin

Source:[url=http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/07/13/dhamlin.tstewart.chicago/index.html]NASCAR.COM - Hamlin vents frustration over teammate Stewart - Jul 13, 2007[/url][/QUOTE]

GREAT link SBF.
I particularly like some of these quotes:
[i][b]"I think at the time neither Joe nor J.D. had really seen a pretty good replay. I don't think they had realized," Hamlin said. "We've talked since then and I think they realize exactly what happened. Millions and millions of people watching with their opinions know what happened. You know, let them judge.[/i][/b]
Interesting, I wonder if anyone will change their mind now that they know that Gibbs knows it was Stewart's fault?

[i][b]"I think every five, six months it seems like he kind of goes through a very angry stage," Hamlin said. "Evidently I set something off last weekend. But Tony is going to be Tony. He's always like that.

"I'm not saying it's OK. But it's just him."

I chose not to throw Tony under the bus -- and he chose a different road than what I did."

"I don't feel like I'm ahead of him. He's still the leader of Joe Gibbs Racing, without a doubt," Hamlin said. "He's a guy, who really, when I need help, I'll still go to regardless.

"But there's a point where being a leader doesn't always make you right."[/b][/i]

And if I were Stewart, this would be the one that hurt the most:
[i][b]But, you know, I always knew you got to take things with Tony with a grain of salt. You might want to listen to him, but you don't always want to do the same things he does."[/b][/i]

I think we all gave a little chuckle to the idea that they "patched things up". Tony doesn't seem like the type to let things go. This link was great to understanding that Gibbs would love to get them both to shut up and settle it behind closed doors, but this is pretty big. Most of the world KNOWS that Stewart rammed him...we just don't know why. I believe it was because Stewart is wreckless, but maybe it's something else. Most fans of Stewart would like to think it was Hamlin, but again, since when is it the leader's fault when he gets hit from behind?

Stewart is in the lead right now (I'm watching the race) and I hope someone wrecks him from behind and then head how his tune will change. (now he's pitting)

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Wierd...
I was just watching Jr. catch up (and quickly) to Bowyer, and sure enough, Jr. slowed up, then passed him. How odd!!??? Why go around when you can go through??? I guess not everyone prescibes to Tony's theories.

Also, I was playing NASCAR 08, and I slowed up on purpose...not a single person hit me. They passed me. Even on the rookie rating, they realize not to ram someone. Funny.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Coach Gibbs is da man!!! In football and NASCAR. JGR wins at Chicago!!! Even with Stewart.

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;328372]Yeah, I think his first win will come at the Brickyard in two weeks. Who knows, it might be sooner.[/QUOTE]

Well then...I guess it was sooner :) Good for Tony. He's been racing really well the last several weeks. And, hard as it is for some to believe, the last thing he wanted last week to wreck out of the race while running in 2nd last week. All the haters can go cry in their bbq smokers now :)

I hope he learns to keep his mouth shut though because most people only know of Tony what they see and hear on camera. If they really spent time with him and with Denny they woudn't be so sympathetic to Hamlin.

Anyway, I'm done with the Denny and Tony debate. I'm glad Tony got the win and I hope they both race well the rest of the year. Others want to keep harping on last week, go right ahead

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;328886]Well then...I guess it was sooner :) Good for Tony. He's been racing really well the last several weeks. And, hard as it is for some to believe, the last thing he wanted last week to wreck out of the race while running in 2nd last week. All the haters can go cry in their bbq smokers now :)

I hope he learns to keep his mouth shut though because most people only know of Tony what they see and hear on camera. If they really spent time with him and with Denny they woudn't be so sympathetic to Hamlin.

Anyway, I'm done with the Denny and Tony debate. I'm glad Tony got the win and I hope they both race well the rest of the year. Others want to keep harping on last week, go right ahead[/QUOTE]

Well, I gotta say, he drove a lot better today. Although there were a couple occasions when he was too aggressive to try to keep the lead and would cut someone off.
Also, in super slow mo, you could see Stewart throwing tacks on to the track and that is what blew Johnson's tire. :D

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;328890]Also, in super slow mo, you could see Stewart throwing tacks on to the track and that is what blew Johnson's tire. :D[/QUOTE]

Hahaha...I heard he kept African-Americans from voting in Florida back in 2000 as well :)

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;328894]Hahaha...I heard he kept African-Americans from voting in Florida back in 2000 as well :)[/QUOTE]

LOL, I wouldn't put it past him, he has been witnessed taking candy from babies too. :D

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

And he robs widowed old ladies out of their life savings...here's to the hot head and his Chicago victory. May it lead to more victories down the stretch...

Re: JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin
 

Maybe Stewart tried to wreck him on purpose cause Hamlin is in 2nd place and is a better driver. Stewart is like a little kid and got all jealous.

(hehe, somewhere SS has a vien popping in his forehead.)