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Is the Wonderlik a timed test? I ask this because I think that I could score very well on the test. If you were to test me, and give me time to consider and answer the question, I would probably score high. But, if the test were timed, I wouldn't do as well.

Now, that said, in football there are three parts of the QB's play cycle.
The most important is the 4-5 seconds after the ball is snapped. Quick decision is important.

The second is the 5-10 secconds in the huddle. At this point the QB must take in everything he just saw, make judgments about what just happened, figure out how to fix or exploit things on the next play, and do all this while the coach is yelling in his ear about the next play. Here, the ability to focus is important.

The third is the 5 or so seconds at the line. Here he must read a defense and change the play if neccasary. This third part is where the wonderlik score might show up.

The problem is that the other two may really be hurt by a really smart guy overthinking the situation. Thats why sometimes a coach can simplify things and really help his players.

So, what kind of test is the wonderlik?

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I don't know if it's timed per se. I think it is. I do know that they give it to the athletes after a full day of physical drills to test the mental sharpness after they are physically worn out.

Here's a sample [URL=http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html]test[/URL]

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[QUOTE=offiss]I don't believe it's fair to say that because no one seems to want to cut Ramsey that kind of slack, Ramsey has had a college coach for his first 2 years in the NFL with a minimal amount of playing time over that span, because he was in and out of the lineup from the beatings he was taking every week, Ramsey has something like 22 games under his belt, that's a season and a half, while having to deal with coaches trying to find their way, all the while doing it in the NFL, not an inferiour collegiate level.

I also want to know since Campbell had 4 different coordinators and had each one for the same amount of time, and each one had a different system to learn, then why is it he figured out the last system and not the others? Could it be the talent around him was just overwhelming?

If we are to say coaching makes the QB then why is everyone so quick to blame Ramsey and not SS, and Gibbs, and if we are to say the QB makes the coach, then why did we draft Campbell?[/QUOTE]

Campbell's first two years in college he split time with Daniel Cobb and he didn't put up the worst numbers. He had the highest completion percentage ever for a freshman at Auburn, and his sophomore year he was 5-1.

Maybe it's just me, but I think it is possible that we have two capable QBs. I think right now Ramsey is more ready to play at the NFL level and I think he has what it takes to be a really good QB. But I'm just not ready to label Campbell a bust before he's even taken a snap in the NFL

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Took the test. Granted I didn't do any push-ups ahead of time, but scored 13 out of 15 ( in the 5 minute window). Extrapolate out to 50... I would have scored a 43.

So, what that means is that(A) the test means jack or (B)I should be heading out to training camp. Since I have seen the size of the defensive linemen in the NFL rest assured I am going with optioin A.
I play hockey everyday with guys that would score worse on Wonderlik and still play circles around me and make better passes and decisions.

Campbell will be fine. It looks like the guy takes his job seriously. Made a real effort to improve before draft day.

I guess for the fun of it I'll pass this test along to those hockey fu(%ers!:cheers

P.S. I'd like to start a nasty rumor now saying the Cowboys have the lowest combined Wonderlik score in the NFL. (Bases on nothing but my love for the guys from Texas...)

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hope he does
if not campbell will take his place

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I heard Heath Shuler had a lower score than his jersey number.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS] I think right now Ramsey is more ready to play at the NFL level and I think he has what it takes to be a really good QB. But I'm just not ready to label Campbell a bust before he's even taken a snap in the NFL[/QUOTE]

:biggthump I've been trying to say that, but Offiss doesn't see it that way.

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[QUOTE=jacobyfan]I heard Heath Shuler had a lower score than his jersey number.[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm]http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm[/URL]

Heath Shuler scored a 16.

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Ha! Jeff George got a 10.

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[QUOTE=Davnpurt]Ha! Jeff George got a 10.[/QUOTE]

He must have bombed the section on leadership

:)

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[QUOTE=BrudLee][url="http://www.unc.edu/%7Emirabile/Wonderlic.htm"]http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm[/url]

Heath Shuler scored a 16.[/QUOTE]

You're such a stick in the mud. IT WAS A JOKE!

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I hope no one thinks I'm rooting for Campbell over Ramsey just because I pointed out some areas where Ramsey needs to improve. Truth is I'm really hoping Ramsey has a Pro Bowl year and leads us to the playoffs. I'm not completely convinced he will, but I like the guy's attitude, guts, and work ethic, and I think he may have the talent and intagibles to take us all the way. Only time will tell.

I also like everything I heard about Campbell but I never got to see him play. Offiss, you wanted to know how his abilities fit into those of a Gibbs type qb. My post in the "Campbell is Culpepper clone?" thread should answer your question. His skills are reminscint of Doug Williams, who did a pretty darn good job under Gibbs. Am I saying Ramsey isn't the answer? No. I'm wishing the best for him. I'm only saying it's nice to have Campbell on board in case things go sour. :)

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[QUOTE=jacobyfan]You're such a stick in the mud. IT WAS A JOKE![/QUOTE]
Curiously, Jeff George damn near did score under his jersey number (which was #3).

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[QUOTE=jermus22]I hope no one thinks I'm rooting for Campbell over Ramsey just because I pointed out some areas where Ramsey needs to improve. Truth is I'm really hoping Ramsey has a Pro Bowl year and leads us to the playoffs. I'm not completely convinced he will, but I like the guy's attitude, guts, and work ethic, and I think he may have the talent and intagibles to take us all the way. Only time will tell.

I also like everything I heard about Campbell but I never got to see him play. Offiss, you wanted to know how his abilities fit into those of a Gibbs type qb. My post in the "Campbell is Culpepper clone?" thread should answer your question. His skills are reminscint of Doug Williams, who did a pretty darn good job under Gibbs. Am I saying Ramsey isn't the answer? No. I'm wishing the best for him. I'm only saying it's nice to have Campbell on board in case things go sour. :)[/QUOTE]


I don't mind having the guy on board, my problem is we gave up a ton for a 3 year project, since Gibbs arrived he's been over evaluating players talents, and giving up way to much, Brunell, Portis, and now Campbell.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I don't mind having the guy on board, my problem is we gave up a ton for a 3 year project, since Gibbs arrived he's been over evaluating players talents, and giving up way to much, Brunell, Portis, and now Campbell.[/QUOTE]

Three years??? I did not know you have the ability to look into the future.

IF (and that is a big if) Campbell wins the Redskins a Superbowl or plays at a probowl level and gets us into the playoffs, the price will not have been too much. It will have been worth it.
Gibss is not perfect, but he did make one good player choice, when he choose Sean Taylor over Kellen Winslow II.