Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1165079]Last year's draft was terrible. Doctson was going to get minimal playing time if he was healthy. Cravens, there are lots of questions about... position ? Fuller meh. Matt I ? not much there.

Giving Scot credit for the O-line is quite a stretch. He drafted Scherff as a tackle. He is the only guard picked in the top 5 in a long time ...over 10 years. There are pro-bowl guards picked later in the draft. They could not run the ball on 3rd and short behind the great O-line or in the red zone.

[B]The list of free agent busts is much longer than the three you mentioned[/B].

And winning a very weak division is setting the bar very low.[/quote]

I didn't mention the free agent wins either. Like I said before, Division title previous year clearly had Scott stamp on it. Back to back winning seasons? Id say we are moving in a better direction at a quicker pace than previously expected.

Very Weak division? I saw a lot of improvement outside of the Eagles. Giants, Cowboys and us...we aren't easy outs when teams outside the division played us.

Think we need to pump the brakes a lil bit. The offseason is long, but starting with it crushing McC...that's a lil reckless. Lets save the crazy til early Summer at least.

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

[quote=metalskins;1165081]So other than the three pick ups by Allen, name us all of the great pick ups Allen has been responsible for in his career as a GM, and compare it to all of the pick ups that McCloughan has been responsible for during his career in the NFL. You're judging by a couple years, the rest of us are judging by the body of work in a career.[/quote]

I never said Allen did a good job. And everything Scot did anywhere else is irrelevant. Donovan McNabb was a decent QB before he came to Washington. (horrible trade)

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1165083]I didn't mention the free agent wins either. .[/quote]


we are waiting

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1165086]we are waiting[/quote]

Lol...refutable, you are a knowledgeable fan, you know them. Id start with V Davis, Blackmon, Foster and J Norman just off the top of the dome. All big time contributors in his tenure here...

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

Ummm...yea....whatever the feck...
If our front office is broken then these nimrods better get it fixed or realigned NOW.
We are only two months away from the draft.
:mad:

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

Professional Organizations don't need to gag people, because they act like Pro's. I don't know if it's true or not, but if it is it's not a good sign. Can't we just hand off the title of being a mess to the Knicks for good.

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1165084]I never said Allen did a good job. And everything Scot did anywhere else is irrelevant. Donovan McNabb was a decent QB before he came to Washington. (horrible trade)[/quote]


I'm saying that Allen, from 2009-2014, helped to bring in talent (both player and coaching personnel) that netted him exactly one playoff year. 5 years with only one good season.

Since 2015, the Redskins have won more than they have lost and have had a playoff berth. All within just the first two years of player personnel being managed by Scot McCloughan. So yeah, again, tell me how you think McCloughan is not worth keeping around.

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1165084]I never said Allen did a good job. And everything Scot did anywhere else is irrelevant. Donovan McNabb was a decent QB before he came to Washington. (horrible trade)[/quote]

I believe that McNabb was on his last legs during the final season in Philly. He was washed up when he arrived here. Look how horrible he was during his one short season in Minnesota. We didn't do him any favors here, but i also think it wasn't 100% our fault that he sucked here.

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

All of this commotion about Scott [B]not[/B] talking.

All he said last year during this time is that he was "looking for football players".

You guys really that hard up to hear that again?

I think this organization is better off because of Bruce and Scott.

This is just off season drama because there's nothing other than Kirk to talk about.

HTTR

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

[quote=Evilgrin;1165097]Professional Organizations don't need to gag people, because they act like Pro's. I don't know if it's true or not, but if it is it's not a good sign. Can't we just hand off the title of being a mess to the Knicks for good.[/quote]

I would argue this point. Many Professional Organizations work to have one voice, and one message. At my work, we are always told, if the media contacts us, we need to redirect them to the head of the marketing department. Bruce is the president of the team and it is his responsibility to make sure there is one message. If the contract with Kirk goes sideways, the last thing they want is Jay, Scot, and Bruce telling the media their side of the situation. Do you think the Patriots or Steelers allow everybody in the organization to address the media?

Finally, i take very little from Mike Jones. I am not in the DC area, but most of the things i read from him are negative towards the team. Look back to November, when he implied Colt could do as well as Kirk. It is a slow time and he needs to fill is weekly article quota.

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

Egos are out of control at Redskins park. Been that way for a while.

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

I will reserve judgment for a while for the following reasons. 2 Pro McLovin and 1 against.

I would like to see how it all plays out before lopping heads.

1. It takes at least 3 years to judge a draft class.

2. I don't think any of the free agent busts were intended as anything other than a low risk low money bandaid.

3. A handful of very negative public comments has come out from the organization (All the folks in the know guessed McLovin) about Kirk. Being a stat accumulator at the beginning of the season and the Jason Cole Bleacher report article. These came out at a time when Kirk should be wooed like a 5 star recruit at a shady S.E.C. school.

I don't have an issue with McLovin being kept out of the media after putting his foot in his mouth over Kirk.

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

[quote=MTK;1165047]He definitely needs some strong results this offseason, and picks from years 1 and 2 need to step it up.[/quote]

I am not really big on year two's picks. If Cravens plays 12 games I will be happy. I am psyching myself out just in case Doctson blows his Achilles again. Our UFA RBs might be the only bright spot of that draft if Sua can't stay healthy.

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

[quote=FlyerSkin;1165137]I am not really big on year two's picks. If Cravens plays 12 games I will be happy. I am psyching myself out just in case Doctson blows his Achilles again. Our UFA RBs might be the only bright spot of that draft if Sua can't stay healthy.[/quote]

I think had Joe Barry played Cravens more as a safety, he would have stayed healthy. How do I know that? I don't. I'm just trying to find something to piss and moan about our departed DC.

Re: Trouble in Redskins Park?
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1165111]I believe that McNabb was on his last legs during the final season in Philly. He was washed up when he arrived here. Look how horrible he was during his one short season in Minnesota. We didn't do him any favors here, but i also think it wasn't 100% our fault that he sucked here.[/quote]

question...who picked McNabb and then followed trading everything and up picking RG3.

Hint...it wasnt Shanny either time...