Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

If RGIII is that franchise QB, I don't care about Riley Reiff, Manti Te'o, Alfonzo Denard, or Andersen "The Spider" Silva. A franchise QB makes all those holes disappear so I send my 1st rounder in 2012 and 2013, as well as a 3rd this year and a 4th next year for my QB and we are still left with:

2nd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 7th plus FA. You mean to tell me we can't fill holes with that? I don't want Manning.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;884118]Well there's one that agrees w me[/QUOTE]

To quote the movie Big Daddy: "That guy doesn't count, he can't even read."

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=warriorzpath;884113]... what else can we talk about?[/quote]

Defense. CBs/Safeties/ILB


OL - right tackle, OG, C


This team has more holes than just the QB.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;884119]If RGIII is that franchise QB, I don't care about Riley Reiff, Manti Te'o, Alfonzo Denard, or Andersen "The Spider" Silva. A franchise QB makes all those holes disappear so I send my 1st rounder in 2012 and 2013, as well as a 3rd this year and a 4th next year for my QB and we are still left with:

2nd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 7th plus FA. You mean to tell me we can't fill holes with that? I don't want Manning.[/quote]


So you want to piss away draft picks, and sign big name FAs? If that doesn't wreak of Vinny, I don't know what is. After a decade of doing business that way, you'd think that you would have learned a lesson by now. I guess it's that battered spouse syndrome.

Most smart teams build their team via draft and supplement via FA. We have been doing the opposite up until this past year. I like the new way.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=mooby;884116]Also this.

S/N: Does this mean I can't start a thread to discuss a scenario where we trade down, pick up 4 2nd round picks, and use them to draft Tannehill, Foles, Cousins, Weeden, and Osweiler, and thus create Lotus' Long Term Backup Barn 2.0?[/quote]

... Hey you stole that approach from cerrato- the "if you throw enough sh*t at the wall something's bound to stick" method of drafting. It looks like Fred Davis proved he was the sh*t from that class of receivers.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=NC_Skins;884121]Defense. CBs/Safeties/ILB


OL - right tackle, OG, C


This team has more holes than just the QB.[/quote]


Manning makes all that better

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

I think RGIII will fall to #6 and thus requires no trade-up.

We could have both PM and RGIII perhaps, if we desired.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=NC_Skins;884092]It's not as simple as asking to choose between RGIII and Peyton. The real question is which package would you rather have?


Which would you choose?


[B][U]Package A:[/U][/B]

1) RGIII


[B][U]Package B:[/U][/B]
1) Peyton Manning (while using 3rd rounder to draft Kirk Cousins)
2) Reily Reiff -OT (1st)
3) Alfonso Denard-CB (2nd)
4) Lucas Nix -OG (4th)

5) Manti Te'o - ILB (2013 1st)
6) Orhian Johnson -SS (2013 4th)





That's about what you'll have to pay to get RGIII. SO tell me, which would you chose? Put your mancrush down and think sensible. Knowing the holes we have, would you honestly give up all that for RGIII? If you whiff on that pick, you are screwed for many many years to come. You whiff on Cousins, and you pick up a QB later on and still have a solid team.

Package B all day....ERRR DAY.[/quote]

I agree, which is why I say neither. One will cost too much money, the other too many picks. Either way the overall team is weakened.

Get a different free agent and draft a different rookie this year and add 5-10 starters (not necessarily day 1 starters) between free agency and the draft.

Continue to BUILD for the long run.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;884122]So you want to piss away draft picks, and sign big name FAs? If that doesn't wreak of Vinny, I don't know what is. After a decade of doing business that way, you'd think that you would have learned a lesson by now. I guess it's that battered spouse syndrome.



Most smart teams build their team via draft and supplement via FA. We have been doing the opposite up until this past year. I like the new way.[/QUOTE]

I don't remember saying signing big name FAs. I make the trade for the guy who I think will be the face of my franchise for the next 15 seasons. Fill my holes with smart FA signings like we have been doing. You can stockpile all the picks you want but without a QB you'll be drafting in the top 10 every year. Eventually you got to pull the trigger.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

And I still think RGIII will be there at #6 but if we want to trade up for him, I'm not against it.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;884130]I don't remember saying signing big name FAs. I make the trade for the guy who I think will be the face of my franchise for the next 15 seasons. Fill my holes with smart FA signings like we have been doing. Y[B]ou can stockpile all the picks you want but without a QB you'll be drafting in the top 10 every year. Eventually you got to pull the trigger.[/B][/quote]

Can I get an amen?

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;884132]And I still think RGIII will be there at #6 but if we want to trade up for him, I'm not against it.[/quote]

No way he is there at 6 pick even if the browns don't want him someone else below will trade up to get him.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

It could be the proverbial smokescreen again, but Kyle Shanahans interview with Sheehan on the radio makes me think that as of right now - the redskins don't think that RGIII is not worth giving up several high draft picks for. Still early though ... and there's a lot of mind games to be played so I don't know.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

To me it's a no brainer. You take Peyton Manning and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

You get one of the very best quarterbacks in NFL history. You don't have to give up anything but money, so you still get to make all your picks and continue building the team through the draft in a sane fashion. And signing Manning buys you three years to find the QB of the long term future.

With Griffin, yes you get a very talented player who can make plays on the ground and in the air. But you sacrifice a ton of (high) picks to do so. This team still needs talent, we're not one player away, even if that single player is a potential franchise QB.

And in the end, Griffin is an unknown commodity. Sure he seems like he'll translate to the NFL, but so did Akili Smith and Jamarcus Russell and Tim Couch and Cade McNown and Ryan Leaf and on and on and on. To me, Manning's recovery is less of a question mark than whether Griffin will pan out. The stats don't lie, half of the QBs drafted in Round 1 become flops. So don't be so quick to dismiss that possibility with Griffin, I guarantee you the Bengals thought they had a good thing with Akili Smith, as did the Raiders with Russell.

If you want a precedent for this, look at Montana in Kansas City, they went to an AFC title game. Sometimes football is not that complicated. If the best player in NFL history (in my humble opinion) becomes available, you get him.

And think of it this way: if we miss on Griffin we're set back SIGNIFICANTLY in our efforts to return the team to the playoffs. If we miss on Manning and his neck doesn't pan out, at least we still will have filled our squad out with high picks. In the end, the downside with Manning is much less.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

Can we all agree to a rule that no one is allowed to say, "Manning will get killed behind our O line"?

He was sacked 16 times in 2010. The Same O line gave up 35 last year.