Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

[quote=skinsfan69;804010]I have 0 confidence. Has the guy ever shown that he can be a pocket passer for 16 games and do it consistently? No. The NFL isn't Texas and at some point you have to beat NFL defenses from the pocket. As I said I like the guy as a backup but no way would I take him as a starter.

The QB situation here is just a nightmare. We're sitting around talking about John Beck, Grossman and Vince Young. That's pretty pathetic. I'd take Jason Campbell over all of those bums.[/quote]

So you are basically telling me that our team has no hope unless we bring all good character guys? Trust me, I have had my concerns about Shanahan being able to handle "trouble players", but I think bringing in someone like VY is different than MS dealing with Haynesworth.

Our team has had some discipline/leadership issues over the past couple of season. Everyone is talking about MS changing the culture of the team; I strongly believe that part of that change is being able to bring a somewhat troubled, but talented, players and make them work.

If MS thinks he can work with Young, then I think we have to trust that he can. I would hope that the team would do their homework better than the previous regime did (i.e. Haynesworth signing). If this is not the case, we're going to be a pretty mediocre team for a long time.

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

[quote=Ruhskins;804033]So you are basically telling me that our team has no hope unless we bring all good character guys? Trust me, I have had my concerns about Shanahan being able to handle "trouble players", but I think bringing in someone like VY is different than MS dealing with Haynesworth.

Our team has had some discipline/leadership issues over the past couple of season. Everyone is talking about MS changing the culture of the team; I strongly believe that part of that change is being able to bring a somewhat troubled, but talented, players and make them work.

If MS thinks he can work with Young, then I think we have to trust that he can. I would hope that the team would do their homework better than the previous regime did (i.e. Haynesworth signing). If this is not the case, we're going to be a pretty mediocre team for a long time.[/quote]

If we picked up VY and he turned out to be a nut case much to everyones surprise...shame on him.
If we KNOW he is a nutcase in advance....shame on us.
AND look to Jeff Fisher's opinion and success with VY.
I cannot see how it is....EVER a good move to bring in...ANY player that even...MIGHT be a problem in the locker room? If we as a team have not learned that, especially with the Big A debacle....shame on us...again.

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

[quote=Ruhskins;804033][B]So you are basically telling me that our team has no hope unless we bring all good character guys?[/B] Trust me, I have had my concerns about Shanahan being able to handle "trouble players", but I think bringing in someone like VY is different than MS dealing with Haynesworth.

Our team has had some discipline/leadership issues over the past couple of season. Everyone is talking about MS changing the culture of the team; I strongly believe that part of that change is being able to bring a somewhat troubled, but talented, players and make them work.

If MS thinks he can work with Young, then I think we have to trust that he can. I would hope that the team would do their homework better than the previous regime did (i.e. Haynesworth signing). If this is not the case, we're going to be a pretty mediocre team for a long time.[/quote]

When it comes to the QB, character is crucial. You could argue that the QB is the most important person in any organization. Vince Young is not the guy that can lead an organization. The guy is in strip bars fighting with dudes in the bathroom, he's taking his shirt off in nightclubs, he throws his pads in the stands, he cries cause fans boo him, he goes aol while eating chicken wings, he's the last one in the building and the first one to leave. Total punk ass loser. There's no need to do any research cause everything is already out there and that's why he got cut.

And why would you trust Shanahan? He didn't do his homework on McNabb so I have little trust in him.

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

[quote=Hog1;804037]If we picked up VY and he turned out to be a nut case much to everyones surprise...shame on him.
If we KNOW he is a nutcase in advance....shame on us.
[B]AND look to Jeff Fisher's opinion and success with VY[/B].
I cannot see how it is....EVER a good move to bring in...ANY player that even...MIGHT be a problem in the locker room? If we as a team have not learned that, especially with the Big A debacle....shame on us...again.[/quote]

Exactly. JF is one of the most respected guys in coaching. He gave up on the guy for a reason.

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

[quote=skinsfan69;804043][B]When it comes to the QB, character is crucial. [/B]You could argue that the QB is the most important person in any organization. Vince Young is not the guy that can lead an organization. The guy is in strip bars fighting with dudes in the bathroom, he's taking his shirt off in nightclubs, he throws his pads in the stands, he cries cause fans boo him, he goes aol while eating chicken wings, he's the last one in the building and the first one to leave. Total punk ass loser. There's no need to do any research cause everything is already out there and that's why he got cut.

[B]And why would you trust Shanahan? He didn't do his homework on McNabb so I have little trust in him.[/B][/quote]

Well McNabb had character, but that didn't help much. Besides, MS was in win-now mode then.

[quote=skinsfan69;804044]Exactly. JF is one of the most respected guys in coaching. He gave up on the guy for a reason.[/quote]

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/05/10/fisher-vince-young-can-win-in-the-nfl/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Fisher: Vince Young can win in the NFL «[/url]

Jeff Fisher doesn't need to say anything nice about Young, but he is saying it. Maybe he is taking the high road, but maybe VY is not what the media makes him out to be.

Anyway, I don't think Young should be the anointed starter. But, if MS thinks he can work him, I don't see what's wrong with bringing him in to compete period. More importantly, I want to see if this team is able to bring a trouble player and make them work. Bringing in VY for a reasonable contact and have him not workout won't harm the team as much as the McNabb fiasco in my opinion.

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

[quote=Ruhskins;804046]Well McNabb had character, but that didn't help much. Besides, MS was in win-now mode then.



[URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/05/10/fisher-vince-young-can-win-in-the-nfl/"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Fisher: Vince Young can win in the NFL «[/URL]

Jeff Fisher doesn't need to say anything nice about Young, but he is saying it. Maybe he is taking the high road, but maybe VY is not what the media makes him out to be.

Anyway, I don't think Young should be the anointed starter. But, if MS thinks he can work him, I don't see what's wrong with bringing him in to compete period. More importantly, I want to see if this team is able to bring a trouble player and make them work. Bringing in VY for a reasonable contact and have him not workout won't harm the team as much as the McNabb fiasco in my opinion.[/quote]

Yes McNabb has got great character, but if they watched the film then they would've saw he wasn't an accurate passer. They would've saw his mechanics sucked. Therefore there was no reason to give up the draft picks. They could've kept JC and got some o-linemen with those picks.

If our organization was strong like New England or Philly and we had an established starter, then I'd be all for bringing in VY. But we're not, and after all the nightmare free agent signings, there is no way we should even think about bringing him in. Not even as a back up. Yeah I changed my mind...I don't want him here. Period.

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

With only 2 qb's, technically only 1 is under contract, it makes sense to bring in a vet. I'm not as opinionated on it as Skinsfan but overall it seems like a bad idea to me to bring in VY.

If he's signed, I would hope it would be to a deal that gave the skins options to get out & he is told that he'll have to win a job. I do have confidence in the new regime to get a deal that doesn't jeopardize the team's options.

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

[quote=skinsfan69;804062]Yes McNabb has got great character, but if they watched the film then they would've saw he wasn't an accurate passer. They would've saw his mechanics sucked. Therefore there was no reason to give up the draft picks. They could've kept JC and got some o-linemen with those picks.

If our organization was strong like New England or Philly and we had an established starter, then I'd be all for bringing in VY. But we're not, and after all the nightmare free agent signings, there is no way we should even think about bringing him in. Not even as a back up. Yeah I changed my mind...I don't want him here. Period.[/quote]I think that Shanahan might have overestimated the team's capabilities and McNabb's willingness to fix his own game.

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

[quote=skinsfan69;804062]Yes McNabb has got great character, [B] but if they watched the film then they would've saw he wasn't an accurate passer.[/B] They would've saw his mechanics sucked. Therefore there was no reason to give up the draft picks. They could've kept JC and got some o-linemen with those picks.
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Still you have to keep in mind that the Shanahans watched tape on Plummer and got a pro bowl out of him, and Plummer was certainly a lot worse then McNabb. I guess in the end the main difference was Plummer had been beat down enough and so hungry for success that he accepted the coaching better. McNabb on the other hand was accomplished and while hungry wasn't urgent enough to redo his mechanics. Sadly though he may redo them now wearing a wristband in his next stop and experience his career brought back to life all because we told him what to do.

Cowboys Game Now Available
 

Cowboys game is about to go live. For some reason the Jag's game is giving me a lot of trouble with the editing software so I'll either have to start over or move on to another game. I'm thinking of doing a McNabb, Tampa video or some sort of game tape featuring ATV.
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Anyway enjoy, this is a fun one to watch, especially when you notice how well Rex throws to short checkdowns, which I'm now thinking may be an extremely underrated part of his game. It amazed me how well he hit a lot of the checkdown routes in stride allowing the running backs to make plays. Torrain for example had 5 catches for 48 yards in this game.

Also Anthony Armstrong doesn't get nearly enough credit around here. That has to change soon :D

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

I REALLY had forgotten and I hope we are very agressive in FA for our O-line...If Rex is to play QB under the current Oline, he will heva to get faster...
Maybe that's the strategy? Get the fastest QB available???

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

[quote=diehard;803927]Disgusting. A QB (Mallet) should've been drafted.[/quote]

yep.

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

I say we keep Santana Moss around forever just to play the Cowboys.

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

[quote=Hog1;804174]I REALLY had forgotten and I hope we are very agressive in FA for our O-line...If Rex is to play QB under the current Oline, he will heva to get faster...
Maybe that's the strategy? Get the fastest QB available???[/quote]

I don't know how much of it made it into the final video but the announcers, particularly Goose, were frequently commenting about how much time Rex had to throw that day. Granted they still gave up 5 sacks, but they still were doing a great job of protecting Rex for most of the day.

Heck, even Rabach looked good. It really might just be a case of keeping the group together. If you look at the Texans O-Line, they're really not that special in terms of names on the interior, in fact in terms of raw talent they're probably not as good as our 3 starters.

[quote=CrustyRedskin;804209]I say we keep Santana Moss around forever just to play the Cowboys.[/quote]

Funny thing about Moss is the fact that thanks to him we were in a position to win the game but on that final drive he dropped a very important pass that could have gone for a 20 or 30 yard gain.

Re: Rex Grossman's Three Game Audition
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;804235][B]I don't know how much of it made it into the final video but the announcers, particularly Goose, were frequently commenting about how much time Rex had to throw that day.[/B] Granted they still gave up 5 sacks, but they still were doing a great job of protecting Rex for most of the day.

Heck, even Rabach looked good. It really might just be a case of keeping the group together. If you look at the Texans O-Line, they're really not that special in terms of names on the interior, in fact in terms of raw talent they're probably not as good as our 3 starters.



Funny thing about Moss is the fact that thanks to him we were in a position to win the game but on that final drive he dropped a very important pass that could have gone for a 20 or 30 yard gain.[/quote]

Yow....I was not counting how long he had to unload the ball, but it seems to me he spent a lot of time in collapsing pockets and avoiding DE's.
I only watched the first game so far.