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[quote=skinsfaninok;789743]^ Hall isn't NnAmdi though, only Champ and Revis are that good[/quote]



I know, but the sad thing is he's not even a "Carlos Rogers". He's much much worse.


We need Carlos and DeAngelo to run full speed and crash into each other. Maybe then we'll have one complete CB on the team.

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[quote=NC_Skins;789751]I know, but the sad thing is he's not even a "Carlos Rogers". He's much much worse.


We need Carlos and DeAngelo to run full speed and crash into each other. Maybe then we'll have one complete CB on the team.[/quote]


Yeah LOS isn't that good either imo, he's a solid Corner but he gets beat also.. Basically Hall is better just for his play making ability especially since LOS can't catch a thing..

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[quote=NC_Skins;789735]He's statistically been rated as one of the worst CBs in the league since his time in Atlanta. People see the INTs and assume he's a good CB. He's not. IF Oakland is kicking you to the curb after 8 games, chances are that you are pretty bad. Hell, even JaMarcus Russell stayed around for 3 years.





Are you kidding me? Just admit it and say [i]"Hey, I like the guy a lot because he's flashy, but the truth is he's pretty bad at his position[/i]." He's been on of the worst rated CBs in the NFL since his days in Atlanta, and yet people like you still refuse to see him for what he is. Why? Because out of every 5 TDs allowed he gets 1 pick? (made up stat, but wouldn't be surprised)

To your other point, so now we have to upgrade everybody around him to make him look good? Funny, Nnamdi Asomugha didn't need a better team to be one of the best CBs in the league.[/quote]

I don't only like him because he is flashy. I see the potential he possesses and I see what hinders it. And yes, I say build a better, more aggressive D around him, and his style will pay off.

Do I think he's the best? No. But I believe he is better than some say he is. There are other guys on the Skins that I could say the same about.

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[Quote] He's statistically been rated as one of the worst CBs in the league since his time in Atlanta. People see the INTs and assume he's a good CB. He's not. IF Oakland is kicking you to the curb after 8 games, chances are that you are pretty bad. Hell, even JaMarcus Russell stayed around for 3 years. [Un\

The author of this article lends some substance to your post.

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[quote=hooskins;789717]Haha, why can't we just call a spade a spade? He's a huge liability in coverage. He gambles and it works at times. Two years ago it didn't last year it did.

Overrated cb and we all know the probowl is hype driven not talent.[/quote]

This list also shows you just how ridiculous it was to send DeAngelo Hall to the Pro Bowl. Is he really the second- or third-worst starting cornerback in the league? No, his numbers were better than this in past seasons. But he's certainly not one of the best cornerbacks in the league, even after you consider all his interceptions.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/worst-cornerback-charting-stats-2010]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Worst Cornerback Charting Stats 2010[/url]

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/player/16006/deangelo-hall]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | DeAngelo Hall[/url]

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Hall has been taking chances and either making or giving up big plays since high school. He cost us the State Championship one year (The completely BLIND officials didn't help either. :cussing:) but at the same time we probably wouldn't have gotten there without him. I haven't seen a lot of growth from him.....he just is what he is and you take the good with the bad. Sometimes it's great...sometimes it sucks.

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"thats why my brother cut your ass!"

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I didn't hear anyone complaining about our season opener.

– DeAngelo Hall returned a fumble for a score and Graham Gano kicked two field goals, as the Redskins held on to edge the Cowboys, 13-7.

We can all thank D.Hall for the only win of the season that actually counted for anything. (Beating the Cowboys)

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[quote=44ever;789765]I didn't hear anyone complaining about our season opener.

– DeAngelo Hall returned a fumble for a score and Graham Gano kicked two field goals, as the Redskins held on to edge the Cowboys, 13-7.

We can all thank D.Hall for the only win of the season that actually counted for anything. (Beating the Cowboys)[/quote]

Or the Bears game.

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Way overpaid too, leave that to Vinny. I would take Rogers over Hall, he might have stone hands but at least he can cover and tackle. Can't stand his punk attitude and starting shit with his big mouth, I'd rather have Barnes and Rogers as CB's.

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[quote=Dogtag;789727]One has to look at statiscal analysis and ask the questions (1) Does this make sense to me? and (2) Is this painting a whole picture?[/quote]

Exactly!
Revis and Newman are on the list too. I would love to have both of those guys.

Statistics aren't based on game film and don't factor in the the most important part of good coverage, A passrush!

No cornerback can cover for an extended period of time and that includes Deion and Darrell in their prime.

I hate Dhall but these rankings are bullshit. Hall is a gambler who times when he is going to jump his route based on the blitz package and reading the route. If the blitz is picked up, He gets burned because he is out of position. If the blitz is successful and they try to make a quick throw, Dhall will pick it off. My gripe with Hall is that he plays off too much hoping for an errant throw instead of pressing the WR and forcing a perfect throw.

The Redskins had very little pressure all year and the worst free safety play in the league. I'm shocked that Rogers isn't on the list...


Also, A quote from the author:
[quote]One thing I want to make clear. Both in this article, and in Wednesday's, people seem to be confusing "presentation of numbers" with "analysis." This isn't analysis. This is presentation of numbers. The ranking in a single statistical metric does not tell you a player's worth. You need to look at the whole picture in context. I'm honestly not even trying to do that in this article.
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I'd be more concerned with our TEAM EFFICIENCY RATINGS - 20F-ing7th (27th)
[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2010 TEAM EFFICIENCY RATINGS[/url]

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[quote=44ever;789755]I don't only like him because he is flashy. [B]I see the potential he possesses and I see what hinders it.[/B] And yes, I say build a better, more aggressive D around him, and his style will pay off.

Do I think he's the best? No. But I believe he is better than some say he is. There are other guys on the Skins that I could say the same about.[/quote]Laziness in preparation? Lack of attention to detail?

My problem with the "style" argument is that DeAngelo Hall's defenses are never, ever good no matter where he is. While it's true that safety play behind Hall has generally been quite poor, it seems weird to try to argue that as a defense -- and then look at his style as anything but problematic.

In short, Hall takes risks that generate some (though I don't think a lot of) turnovers, but the defensive teams he plays for struggle every single year anyway. Among other things, those teams need tighter coverage in the secondary. And even as he's matured, it never comes from Hall.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;789773]Way overpaid too, leave that to Vinny. I would take Rogers over Hall, he might have stone hands but at least he can cover and tackle. Can't stand his punk attitude and starting shit with his big mouth, I'd rather have Barnes and Rogers as CB's.[/quote]

Barnes as a starter over Hall?
Serioulsly?
The jury is waaaaaay out on Barnes.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;789778]Barnes as a starter over Hall?
Serioulsly?
The jury is waaaaaay out on Barnes.[/quote]

This is his 3rd year with the team, he showed potential last year. He must be given a chance, I like the fact that he is a smart player (high score on the Wonderlic test) and is not afraid to tackle unlike Hall.

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