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[quote=Terpfan76;778615]I'd rather trade down and take Locker than reach on any of these other guys. In fact, the best case would be if he were to fall to the second round and be able to snatch him there while still trading down in the first.[/quote]

Personally I think that if we trade down we should take Christian Ponder, not Locker. Ponder has excellent intelligence, accuracy, mobility, and intangibles. While his arm is not the strongest, he makes up for it by being a creative leader.

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[quote=Lotus;778628]Personally I think that if we trade down we should take Christian Ponder, not Locker. Ponder has excellent intelligence, accuracy, mobility, and intangibles. While his arm is not the strongest, he makes up for it by being a creative leader.[/quote]

I heart you

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LOVE trading down.........

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[quote=Hog1;778632]LOVE trading down.........[/quote]

I agree. I think that if you take one of these QB's at 10 you are not getting the value you should be getting at that pick, you are simply reaching for a need no matter the talent level. I have been adamant in my dislike for Locker. I think he has the potential to be a big bust. I think Cam Newton is an even higher risk.

If we were a smart drafting team, which we obviously haven't been in the past but hopefully are moving in the right direction, we will try our best to trade down. I think with as many holes in this team as we have we need as many picks as possible. If a trade down is not possible, you take a defensive talent like Von Miller, as I also have been saying, to compliment Orakpo, and draft a QB like Ponder or Dalton in a later round.

Not that I am an expert but I think Ponder and Dalton could very well be best tooled for what Shanny is looking for. I could live with Locker in the later rounds, however I wouldn't be pleased. I would be very upset if we took Cam Newton. He has extremely limited experience at a high level. Yes he is a flashy play maker, but I don't think that wins championships. We don't have time for another big project. I know some people say, yeah well he was in JUCO playing, but there is a reason JUCO kids play there and not for a D-I school.

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Scout take on Cam: “the structure of that offense made him look more accurate than he is. It’s all play-action based, throwing to wide open receivers, with bubble screens that pad his numbers." classic spread-bust pick + character issues? Pass

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[quote=SmootSmack;778630]I heart you[/quote]

Aw, shucks.

I've read about and watched game videos of a bunch of draftable QB's. Ponder is the one who seems to me most likely to be a solid starter. Not only that, I think he will be ready to play as early as any other QB in this class. What he doesn't have can be remedied in the film or weight rooms, whereas other QB's in this class seem to have drawbacks which are more difficult to fix.

I say use the #10 pick on a defensive beast (like Von Miller or Cameron Jordan) or trade down to still grab a defensive beast later in the first round. Then draft Ponder in a later round.

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[quote=Lotus;778656]Aw, shucks.

I've read about and watched game videos of a bunch of draftable QB's. [B]Ponder is the one who seems to me most likely to be a solid starter.[/B] Not only that, I think he will be ready to play as early as any other QB in this class. What he doesn't have can be remedied in the film or weight rooms, whereas other QB's in this class seem to have drawbacks which are more difficult to fix.

I say use the #10 pick on a defensive beast (like Von Miller or Cameron Jordan) or trade down to still grab a defensive beast later in the first round. Then draft Ponder in a later round.[/quote]


Well like I've mentioned before, I watched him live in person and he looked RIDICULOUSLY BAD here in Norman.. Made bad decisions under pressure and very avg arm strength, yea you need smarts but sometimes that just isn't enough in the Pros.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;778659]Well like I've mentioned before, I watched him live in person and he looked RIDICULOUSLY BAD here in Norman.. Made bad decisions under pressure and very avg arm strength, yea you need smarts but sometimes that just isn't enough in the Pros.[/quote]

I agree, he did look bad that game. Probably the worst of his college career. But that is just one game. Even Manning and Brady look bad sometimes.

My argument is not that he will be a Pro Bowler or is a can't-miss. Rather, IMO he is the best prospect for our offense in a lackluster QB class.

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Ponder battled a painful elbow injury for much of the year. He doesn't have a cannon, but his arm strength is underrated

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[quote=Chico23231;778646]Scout take on Cam: “the structure of that offense made him look more accurate than he is. It’s all play-action based, throwing to wide open receivers, with bubble screens that pad his numbers." classic spread-bust pick + character issues? Pass[/quote]


I think this about covers it.


Words that make you cringe when talking about drafting QBs in the first round.

"potential"
"high ceiling"
"upside"

.lol.....stay away from that shit, stick with guys that are polished and have done it several years at college.

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[quote=Lotus;778656]Aw, shucks.

I've read about and watched game videos of a bunch of draftable QB's. Ponder is the one who seems to me most likely to be a solid starter. Not only that, I think he will be ready to play as early as any other QB in this class. What he doesn't have can be remedied in the film or weight rooms, whereas other QB's in this class seem to have drawbacks which are more difficult to fix.

I say use the #10 pick on a defensive beast (like Von Miller or Cameron Jordan) or trade down to still grab a defensive beast later in the first round. Then draft Ponder in a later round.[/quote]

Copy cat. lol

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[quote=SkinzWin;778727]Copy cat. lol[/quote]

How am I a copy cat? I know SS mentioned Ponder before but I have since done my own "independent" research and come to a similar "independent" conclusion. Or did you say something that I missed?

Here's my mock draft right now, which I could not have copy catted:
1 Von Miller OLB Texas A&M
2 Christian Ponder QB Florida State
5 Ryan van Bergen DE Michigan
5 Phil Taylor NT Baylor
6 Clint Boling OG Georgia
7 Graig Cooper RB Miami
7 Johnny Brown S Mississippi

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[quote=Lotus;778728]How am I a copy cat? I know SS mentioned Ponder before but I have since done my own "independent" research and come to a similar "independent" conclusion. Or did you say something that I missed?

Here's my mock draft right now, which I could not have copy catted:
1 Von Miller OLB Texas A&M
2 Christian Ponder QB Florida State
5 Ryan van Bergen DE Michigan
5 Phil Taylor NT Baylor
6 Clint Boling OG Georgia
7 Graig Cooper RB Miami
7 Johnny Brown S Mississippi[/quote]

Ponder will be available as late as the 4th round. If he's lucky he'll go in the third. I mean look at it this way. Someone like Locker or Mallet (possibly both) is going to fall to the second round. From there Ponder will have to compete with that Devlin, Dalton, Stanzi group and hope to emerge as the top guy in that second or third tier despite his elbow problems.

Colt McCoy last year had much more going for him then Ponder yet he fell to the beginning of the third round. As you all remember McCoy was deadly accurate, experienced, and mobile with decent arm strength. And on top of that he was not only a leader, but a leader that was at the forefront of a national championship run.

Ponder has some of those attributes. He's accurate when healthy, he's mobile, he's a great leader, and he has a good arm on top of 3 years worth of starting experience. However he also comes from a program that couldn't even get to the BCS despite being in the ACC (McCoy did it twice). And ironically I'm not even saying that I don't want Ponder, in fact I actually wouldn't be to disappointed if we got the kid. However I wouldn't draft him before the third round at this point. Plus the funny thing is that as weak as the ACC has been in recent years, they're still the best conference these days when it comes to producing QB's (Vick, Ryan, Rivers, Schuab).

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[quote=Lotus;778728]How am I a copy cat? I know SS mentioned Ponder before but I have since done my own "independent" research and come to a similar "independent" conclusion. Or did you say something that I missed?

Here's my mock draft right now, which I could not have copy catted:
1 Von Miller OLB Texas A&M
2 Christian Ponder QB Florida State
5 Ryan van Bergen DE Michigan
5 Phil Taylor NT Baylor
6 Clint Boling OG Georgia
7 Graig Cooper RB Miami
7 Johnny Brown S Mississippi[/quote]

I was just saying that because I had just said take Von Miller at 10 and Ponder or Dalton later in the draft a few posts earlier. I know you have your own independent conclusions. I wasn't trying to be rude, just joking.

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[quote=Chico23231;778646]Scout take on Cam: “the structure of that offense made him look more accurate than he is. It’s all play-action based, throwing to wide open receivers, with bubble screens that pad his numbers." classic spread-bust pick + character issues? Pass[/quote]

If it was that easy how come Auburns last QB couldn't do it? Or if it was so easy, how come teams with more talented players didn't switch to the Auburn offense and get these easy receptions and wide open recievers?