Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;632282][/B]

I think they should just fire the guy right now. At this point why wait? They've got a playcaller so just go ahead do it. This way they can get a head start on talking to Shanahan.[/quote]

He's already turned us down. I'd be more than happy to fire Vinny now and start interviewing a GM.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

Shanahan may have turned down an offer to take the job during the season as well he should have. Once the season ends that's when the real talks will begin.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

I wonder if the fact that the 2nd rounders of 2008 are starting to play well will help Vinny keep his job?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

It won't hurt I suppose

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

But he's also responsible for bringing in Zorn and not bringing in more help along the line. Although I think we're getting there with our depth.

Still, I think he stays but in a different capacity

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

Yeah if DT,MK and FD start playing up to their potential it definately kills us in the getting rid of Vinny hopes.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;632294]It won't hurt I suppose[/quote]

What sort of relationship does Vinny have with Shanahan, if any?

I'm guessing if Shanahan comes in he will be able to set up his own front office structure, no?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;632296]Yeah if DT,MK and FD start playing up to their potential it definately kills us in the getting rid of Vinny hopes.[/quote]

I don't think so. We are still losing and that is the bottom line.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;632295]But he's also responsible for bringing in Zorn and not bringing in more help along the line. Although I think we're getting there with our depth.

Still, I think he stays but in a different capacity[/quote]
Vinnie, like Zorn is NOT incompetent. Both are clearly...........over their heads with the current organizational structure.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

[quote=Lotus;632311]I don't think so. We are still losing and that is the bottom line.[/quote]

Agreed. I think the wheels of change are already in motion. Some decent production from guys like Thomas, Kelly, Davis, etc. isn't going to change much. I mean it's good to see, but it's not going to save any jobs.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

I think if DS sees that the talent is there and we are still losing it may be looked at as a coaching issue in which could give Vinny some wiggle room. There are many ways to look at it. Yeah Vinny leaving would be a dream come true but it seems he finds a way to stick.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;632319]I think if DS sees that the talent is there and we are still losing it may be looked at as a coaching issue in which could give Vinny some wiggle room. There are many ways to look at it. Yeah Vinny leaving would be a dream come true but it seems he finds a way to stick.[/quote]

But it may be that Vinny is already gone, although this won't be announced until January 4.

Methinks that Snyder has already decided on housecleaning but doesn't want to act until the end of the season.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

[quote=mlmdub130;632063]i say not scoring a td and settling for a fg is probably the cause for our loss, which goes back to coaching and play calling. which i think is where the blame lies yet again[/quote]

Well to be fair to the coaches and play calling JC did throw two picks which I'm sure had something to do with the play calling.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

[quote=firstdown;632332]Well to be fair to the coaches and play calling JC did throw two picks which I'm sure had something to do with the play calling.[/quote]So in a roundabout way, the defensive shortcomings and coaching gaffes can really just be pinned on Jason Campbell, correct?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Eagles)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;632299]What sort of relationship does Vinny have with Shanahan, if any?

I'm guessing if Shanahan comes in he will be able to set up his own front office structure, no?[/quote]

Well, sometimes I hear they get along other times I hear they don't. But I think Shanahan would want complete and final authority but would want someone to basically coordinate everything, which is something Cerrato is probably willing to do.

I honestly don't know what will happen. I've thought for a while (some of it based on things I had heard) that Cerrato would remain with the organization but in a role that really has no say over the football operations).

Still, he needs to go in my opinion mainly because of the perception about him. I mean look at some of the responses we've seen here. "What if our draft picks start to play well...would that mean we're stuck with Vinny Cerrato?" Isn't that kind of backwards thinking? Shouldn't we be excited about our young guys playing well?