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[quote=JWsleep;588426]I wonder if Zorn is trying to adapt too much to the players he has--CP, in particular. Yes, we've got CP and Buges, but maybe we should throw first to set up the run?

And there is something to JC in the shotgun and hurry-up. He was quick and decisive there--yes, the gints were in prevent, but he didn't hesitate.

I still feel, either way, that we'll look better next week and everyone will say, Oh, Zorn opened it up, JC found some skill, etc. etc. The gints are good at defense. They make you look bad. Not an excuse, just a fact. Good teams find a way to win anyway. We didn't. But I'm not sure a total tear-down is in order.[/quote]


Yeah I think Jason Campbell looks good in the shotgun. He always looks good in the hurry up. So why aren't we incorporating this more. I think the problem is he isn't chanign the plans to utilize the players he has. Another thing people have to keep in mind. He came from the AFC West. He needs to get it in his head. This is the NFC Beast. Smash mouth football. He needs to run the ball down their throat and atleast take one shot down the field each quarter. Also I have to scream this. WTF is up with our time management. We did this a few times last year. Like we just give up and don't have a sense of urgency. The coaching really sucks man. I hope Zorn steps up. Because there are high school coaches that can call better plays and game manage better than this.

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[quote=Longtimefan;588418]It's been said many times and in many different ways, but the bottom line is (and there's only one way to say it) the offense lacks consistency. Identifying the problem is not that difficult, knowing what to do about is what's more important. Do you think the coaches know what to do?[/quote]

My opinion is the coachs don't know what to do. I trully feel if they knew what to do we might not have alot of these problems. But what they do know how to do pretty good is make silly, pathetic, stupid, etc. excuses for the way this team plays. Until Zorn stands up and gets up in all the players asses (provided Synder will let him be a man, ) there will be no disclipine like there has been any way.

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There is one area of the offense that gets a straight F grade on the day.

I'm still in shock looking at the numbers.

The passing game to the outside was quite literally non existent today.

It's laughable that we did that. It's clown shoes cowardly football. I just don't know yet if it was JC or JZ who didn't have the balls to throw outside.

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[quote=wilsowilso;588549]There is one area of the offense that gets a straight F grade on the day.

I'm still in shock looking at the numbers.

The passing game to the outside was quite literally non existent today.

It's laughable that we did that. It's clown shoes cowardly football. I just don't know yet if it was JC or JZ who didn't have the balls to throw outside.[/quote]

U mean our top two receivers who combined for 12 yeards on three catches?

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Here's my beef with the offense....

- Trick plays against a top defense = bad idea.

- I could be wrong but I got the sense that JC was looking for the deep ball wayyy too much (hence the Osi strip)

- Cooley fumbled once (recovered out of bounds) and almost fumbled a second time, WTF?

- When playing a top defense, can JC use his feet a bit better in the pocket and maybe look to the run a bit more?

- The accidental screen to Betts looked great, I think they should look into doing a bit more of those against aggressive blitzing defenses.

ARE looked great in the slot, but he shouldn't be the only one catching the ball. Cooley needs to stop f'ing fumbling, and our running game needs to get better.

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[quote=saden1;588316]Lack of play call imagination. Zorn looked like a fish out of water with is tasteless dressing vanilla calls. They locked up Moss and took their chances with Cooley so why not go after them with TE all day? F*cking A. Pierce can't run for shit and you let him off the hook.

[B]Heyer got his salad tossed by Tuck[/B]. Thomas didn't do shit. Why the fuck didn't we run right all day long? Instead of 3 WR sets why not have extra TE on the left to run block? I can't believe we couldn't get 4 yards with that all day long.[/quote]

lol. nice way to put it. but were you honestly expecting heyer to hold down tuck? c'mon.

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I'm curious what ya'll think of this idea. What if Zorn went "sink or swim" w/ Kelly and Thomas at #1 and #2 WR?

Moss doesn't look like a legit #1 WR anymore (some would argue he never did) and ultimately we're not gonna achieve jack unless these two guys actually produce. Also Moss is responsible for JC's INT...typical Moss he just gives up part of the time as he did in GB two years ago. I would honestly like to see Moss benched next week and Zorn start Kelley and Thomas and play them the entire game. Moss can take turns in the slot w/ ARL.

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[quote=The Goat;588623]I'm curious what ya'll think of this idea. What if Zorn went "sink or swim" w/ Kelly and Thomas at #1 and #2 WR?

Moss doesn't look like a legit #1 WR anymore (some would argue he never did) and ultimately we're not gonna achieve jack unless these two guys actually produce. Also Moss is responsible for JC's INT...typical Moss he just gives up part of the time as he did in GB two years ago. I would honestly like to see Moss benched next week and Zorn start Kelley and Thomas and play them the entire game. Moss can take turns in the slot w/ ARL.[/quote]I don't think I'd criticize him for this. I personally don't think Thomas can play, but if he's going to get a shot at the expense of someone that isn't Malcolm Kelly, it's probably worth the oppertunity cost.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588634]I don't think I'd criticize him for this. I personally don't think Thomas can play, but if he's going to get a shot at the expense of someone that isn't Malcolm Kelly, it's probably worth the oppertunity cost.[/quote]

I would rather try that crazy idea with Marko Mitchell over Devin Thomas.

Santana is still a fine player, but damn did he have a pitiful game today.

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[quote=wilsowilso;588638]I would rather try that crazy idea with Marko Mitchell over Devin Thomas.

[B]Santana is still a fine player, but damn did he have a pitiful game today.[/quote][/B]

Here's reason #1523 why I hate these one player hate-threads (when they are about players that certain people just hate no matter what)...there's a thread about how terrible D. Hall was....and yes we gave him money and he sucked it up against a young receiver. But, as I said, you lose as a team, and if you're going to bitch and whine about D. Hall then let's also talk bout Santana Moss....he's our #1 receiver, he's supposed to be one of our best offensive weapons...instead he almost cost the team a terrible personal foul penalty, a pass was picked in front of him, and he was basically a non-factor.

That said, I say hell let's throw the young wideouts to the fire if the likes of Santana are not going to get their act together.

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Is it just only me or what, Portis is tip toeing like Stephen Davis use to do . I watched other backs in the league and they run with a purpose, time for his ass to go to.

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On a lighter note.This just in, 4 picks by the supposedly next great franchise qb in chicago, jay aka "I think im the next farve" cutler. Thank god chicago outbid us for him, they can keep him.

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[quote=number21isabadman;588677]On a lighter note.This just in, 4 picks by the supposedly next great franchise qb in chicago, jay aka "I think im the next farve" cutler. Thank god chicago outbid us for him, they can keep him.[/quote]

The offense needs to play with more swagger. Its like we are just going through the motions. But I haven't seen a game this bad as far as efficiency goes in a while. Our team seems like they are not motivated.

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Moss was terrible and I hope other pick up on this .

The Int - Sure it should never have been thrown because Campbell was well beyond the line, BUT Moss was no where on that play . And this is the point people want to Jump on Campbell but Moss turns up for about 30% of the games . He almost got himself ejected and that would have been nothing but a good thing given how badly he played .

Kelly and Thomas need to play better, the bright spot was ARE . Cooley was solid as always and even Davis had a possitive impact yesterday with solid blocking especially on the fack FG ...

Overall I give the team a C ... needs to improve ..

Re: Offense = Disappointment
 

[quote=number21isabadman;588677]On a lighter note.This just in, 4 picks by the supposedly next great franchise qb in chicago, jay aka "I think im the next farve" cutler. Thank god chicago outbid us for him, they can keep him.[/quote]

I say lets give it a few yrs, you know when he has a true number 1 wr. Not a special teams ace turned wr out of necessity. Oh yeah i forgot this one.
ITS HIS FIRST GAME IN A NEW OFFENSE. :)