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[quote=Daseal;544468]Are you sure about Denver turning down Cassel? That's what started this whole mess was McDaniels going after Cassel.[/quote]

I think he was saying that Denver turned down Cutler for Cassell, not that they turned Cassell down.

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Maybe Jason Campbell gets his "revenge" by having a "lights out" season this year and then signing somewhere else next year because he feels he was dissed by Danny Boy?

There are so many hypothetical twist and turns on that road in the future that speculation now is unbounded.

Unless somehow a QB named "Manning" or "Brees" or "Brady" or "Roethilisberger" pisses off his coach and owner and becomes available, Jason Campbell will have 2009 to demonstrate his worth to the Skins and the rest of the coaches in the NFL - - because he's a free agent at the end of the 2009 season.

BTW, John Czarnecki is not a douche. He is really pretty well wired into "NFL Doings". And he's not such a bad guy either...

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[quote=SBXVII;544363]I'm sorry I could not read the article with his idea of how a meeting must have taken place. Several good things came from the whole Cutler issue.
#1. Cutler is not here.;)
#2. We have a QB with some class who doesn't wine.
#3. Maybe this will finally light a fire under JC back side.
#4. Maybe JC will show significant improvement this yr.
#5. If he does #4 then he can screw the Skins over for a big contract.

See all parties will be happy. If anything the pressure is on JC as I see it. If he blows this yr or plays half ass then the team won't resign him. It will prove some pundits right when they say he's not a #1 QB. and lastly he won't get his payday.

I hope JC is mad. I hope JC has something to prove. I hope JC lights it up and maybe then we will finally go farther in to the post season.[/quote]

#5 is what I see happening, and unfortunately, we'll be back to square one with an unproven QB.

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I'm Very dissapointed we didnt get Cutler.

Campbell is a dissapointment year after year. Shows very little progress. Always in bottom 3rd of league in QB rating. Always a split second too late. He's not a team leader. He's 17-21 as a starter - Skins went to the playoffs one year because T.Collins finished the year 4-0, after idiot Campbell got us to 5-7. Statistics dont lie!

And yet people say keep giving him another year....amazing. Let see, the Detroit lions at 0-16 scored more offensive TD's and more points the Redskins last year. look it up! Redskins finished 4th in total Defense, Portis had a solid year, and we still finished only 8-8. There is only one underlying factor. Our deadbeat QB. I dont want to hear anymore excuses...the O-line, different coaches....BS. he's had enough time!

The broncos thought Orton brought more to the table then Campbell. (and they are probably right!) the redskins tried to trade deadass Campbell for a 2nd Round draft pick. Not one team was interested. Doesnt that tell you something?

I am a diehard Skins fan, but Campbell is not the answer-he cannot lead us to where we want to go. I really thought we had a chance at a franschise QB in Cutler. At least there is only one more year of this nonsense, and then we get rid of this loser. I made the arguement last year at this time, and everyone on this site said 2008 was going to be a breakout year for JC......yeah right.

Hopefully we can trade him still. i cant stand him

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I'm very relieved we did not get Cutler. Selfishness (and crybaby-ness) does not make a good leader.

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[quote=redskins1974;544493]I'm Very dissapointed we didnt get Cutler.

Campbell is a dissapointment year after year. Shows very little progress. Always in bottom 3rd of league in QB rating. Always a split second too late. He's not a team leader. He's 17-21 as a starter - Skins went to the playoffs one year because T.Collins finished the year 4-0, after idiot Campbell got us to 5-7. Statistics dont lie!

And yet people say keep giving him another year....amazing. Let see, the Detroit lions at 0-16 scored more offensive TD's and more points the Redskins last year. look it up! Redskins finished 4th in total Defense, Portis had a solid year, and we still finished only 8-8. There is only one underlying factor. Our deadbeat QB. I dont want to hear anymore excuses...the O-line, different coaches....BS. he's had enough time!

The broncos thought Orton brought more to the table then Campbell. (and they are probably right!) the redskins tried to trade deadass Campbell for a 2nd Round draft pick. Not one team was interested. Doesnt that tell you something?

I am a diehard Skins fan, but Campbell is not the answer-he cannot lead us to where we want to go. I really thought we had a chance at a franschise QB in Cutler. At least there is only one more year of this nonsense, and then we get rid of this loser. I made the arguement last year at this time, and everyone on this site said 2008 was going to be a breakout year for JC......yeah right.

Hopefully we can trade him still. i cant stand him[/quote]

So enough about you, tell us how you feel about Jason Campbell.

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[quote=redskins1974;544493]I'm Very dissapointed we didnt get Cutler.

Campbell is a dissapointment year after year. Shows very little progress. Always in bottom 3rd of league in QB rating. Always a split second too late. He's not a team leader. He's 17-21 as a starter - Skins went to the playoffs one year because T.Collins finished the year 4-0, after idiot Campbell got us to 5-7. Statistics dont lie!

And yet people say keep giving him another year....amazing. Let see, the Detroit lions at 0-16 scored more offensive TD's and more points the Redskins last year. look it up! Redskins finished 4th in total Defense, Portis had a solid year, and we still finished only 8-8. There is only one underlying factor. Our deadbeat QB. I dont want to hear anymore excuses...the O-line, different coaches....BS. he's had enough time!

The broncos thought Orton brought more to the table then Campbell. (and they are probably right!) the redskins tried to trade deadass Campbell for a 2nd Round draft pick. Not one team was interested. Doesnt that tell you something?

I am a diehard Skins fan, but Campbell is not the answer-he cannot lead us to where we want to go. I really thought we had a chance at a franschise QB in Cutler. At least there is only one more year of this nonsense, and then we get rid of this loser. [B]I made the arguement last year at this time, and everyone on this site said 2008 was going to be a breakout year for JC......yeah right. [/B]

Hopefully we can trade him still. i cant stand him[/quote]

So what name were you using last year?

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mel kiper said the skins are seriously looking at sanchez....hmm.. i wonder why

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[quote=Mattyk72;544496]So what name were you using last year?[/quote]

Ha. I was thinking the same thing

(they always return to the scene of the crime)

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[quote=redskins1974;544493]I'm Very dissapointed we didnt get Cutler.

Campbell is a dissapointment year after year. Shows very little progress. Always in bottom 3rd of league in QB rating. Always a split second too late. He's not a team leader. He's 17-21 as a starter - Skins went to the playoffs one year because T.Collins finished the year 4-0, after idiot Campbell got us to 5-7. Statistics dont lie![/quote]

That true about bottom 3rd of the league? (please note I'm not asking you this question, I'm asking the rest of the board). As for not being a team leader and his record. Cutler 17-20. No playoffs. So you need to use a better argument there

[quote]And yet people say keep giving him another year....amazing. Let see, the Detroit lions at 0-16 scored more offensive TD's and more points the Redskins last year. look it up! Redskins finished 4th in total Defense, Portis had a solid year, and we still finished only 8-8. There is only one underlying factor. Our deadbeat QB. I dont want to hear anymore excuses...the O-line, different coaches....BS. he's had enough time![/quote]

Are you Colt Brennan's agent

[quote]The broncos thought Orton brought more to the table then Campbell. (and they are probably right!) the redskins tried to trade deadass Campbell for a 2nd Round draft pick. Not one team was interested. Doesnt that tell you something?[/quote]

Are you Jason Campbell's jilted ex-lover?

[quote]I am a diehard Skins fan, but Campbell is not the answer-he cannot lead us to where we want to go. I really thought we had a chance at a franschise QB in Cutler. At least there is only one more year of this nonsense, and then we get rid of this loser. I made the arguement last year at this time, and everyone on this site said 2008 was going to be a breakout year for JC......yeah right.

Hopefully we can trade him still. i cant stand him[/quote]

You're just a sad, sad individual aren't you?

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JC's QB rating his first 2 years were in the 70's and last year a minimimal improvement into the low 80's.

Cutler's record as a starter is 17-20, correct. and how about that great Broncos Defense? What do you think the Redskins record would have been if the Redskins were not 5th in D, but 30th like Denver? probably 5-11 at best.

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Whatever, about ratings, and all the JC hate out there.

At this point in time it makes no sense to let JC go and start over now. So it just seems that JC must have more than one "jilted ex-lover".

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Campbell was 19th in QB rating last year
Roethlisberger was 24th


Rivers was first, Pennington 2nd for what it's worth

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=rat&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008]NFL Football Statistics and League Leaders - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=redskins1974;544503]JC's QB rating his first 2 years were in the 70's and last year a minimimal improvement into the low 80's.

Cutler's record as a starter is 17-20, correct. and how about that great Broncos Defense? What do you think the Redskins record would have been if the Redskins were not 5th in D, but 30th like Denver? probably 5-11 at best.[/quote]Okay, but what about the fact that last year Denver had a better offensive line and better WRs than the Redskins?

How can you say that Denver's bad D was the reason for Cutler's record, while ignoring the fact that Campbell was under more pressure and had to throw the ball to arguably less reliable receivers?

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[quote=redskins1974;544493]I'm Very dissapointed we didnt get Cutler.

Campbell is a dissapointment year after year. Shows very little progress. Always in bottom 3rd of league in QB rating. Always a split second too late. He's not a team leader. He's 17-21 as a starter - Skins went to the playoffs one year because T.Collins finished the year 4-0, after idiot Campbell got us to 5-7. Statistics dont lie!

And yet people say keep giving him another year....amazing. Let see, the Detroit lions at 0-16 scored more offensive TD's and more points the Redskins last year. look it up! Redskins finished 4th in total Defense, Portis had a solid year, and we still finished only 8-8. There is only one underlying factor. Our deadbeat QB. I dont want to hear anymore excuses...the O-line, different coaches....BS. he's had enough time!

The broncos thought Orton brought more to the table then Campbell. (and they are probably right!) the redskins tried to trade deadass Campbell for a 2nd Round draft pick. Not one team was interested. Doesnt that tell you something?

I am a diehard Skins fan, but Campbell is not the answer-he cannot lead us to where we want to go. I really thought we had a chance at a franschise QB in Cutler. At least there is only one more year of this nonsense, and then we get rid of this loser. I made the arguement last year at this time, and everyone on this site said 2008 was going to be a breakout year for JC......yeah right.

Hopefully we can trade him still. i cant stand him[/quote]

I wanted Cutler more then just about anyone on this board, but it didn't happen. So now I hope that a 2nd year in this offense will bring improvement...and if it doesn't it's pretty clear we will have a new QB next year. I just can't imagine a diehard Redskins fan referring to Campbell as a deadbeat or a loser. It's one thing to think he is not the long term answer at QB...but that can be said without resorting to personal attacks.