Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

I hope they don't let Willis out of the building without a contract offer. Jansen's been done for years so it's about time we're getting around to replacing him. If we make that move we can make Jansen a backup RT and RG, Heyer our backup LT, Rinehart our backup LG and we can focus on LB/DE with #13 taking Orapko or Rey M.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=Paintrain;534333]I hope they don't let Willis out of the building without a contract offer. Jansen's been done for years so it's about time we're getting around to replacing him. If we make that move we can make Jansen a backup RT and RG, Heyer our backup LT, Rinehart our backup LG and we can focus on LB/DE with #13 taking Orapko or Rey M.[/quote]

unless he spent the night, i'm pretty sure Willis left the building without a contract yesterday.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=GTripp0012;534331]Given all of the same players, I'd have Smith at RG and Willis at RT.[/quote]

Why draft a guy at 13 to play guard? If we draft Smith, he'd HAVE to play RT to justify the pick. However, if Oher and Smith were both available at 13, and we took Smith over Oher, who can play LT, we'd be fools.

[quote=GTripp0012;534331]I'd also start said third round center, without even knowing who I'm starting.[/quote]
You must have forgotten what we did with our 3rd round pick in 2008. I dont trust the skins to correctly judge talent of 3rd round lineman at the present. Rabach was the 2nd best lineman on our roster last year.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

Let's not get carried away & think that even if both of these guys sign that our O line is set. I'm all for signing both (if reasonable $ wise) & drafting an OT w/the #13 if one of the top 4 is there. We need an immediate solution to RT (which I think could be a rook) & a long-term replacement at LT.

I remember E. Brown at UVA. I thought he was a farily highly rated prospect, but I haven't heard much about him in the nfl.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;534328]About freaking time. I've been waiting for this for a while. Being an O-Line junkie I would love to see the team sign Ray Willis then draft Andre Smith in the first and a Center in the third. Then have a starting lineup like so:

LT - Chris Samuals
LG - Derrick Dockery
C - Casey Rabach
RG - Ray Willis
RT - Andre Smith

Backups - Stephon Heyer, Jon Jansen, 3rd Round Center, Chad Rhinehart, Randy Thomas

Of course thats kind of overkill but I wouldn't mind that one bit. Still if they do sign Willis that'll help free us up to truly take the BPA and my money's on Maualuga based on Vinny's infatuation with the guy.[/quote]

Ray Willis is going to come off the street and bump Randy Thomas to the bench? I doubt that.

Why are people giving up on Randy Thomas? He was good in the beginning of the year and was decent down the stretch even with a broken neck.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;534342]Why draft a guy at 13 to play guard? If we draft Smith, he'd HAVE to play RT to justify the pick. However, if Oher and Smith were both available at 13, and we took Smith over Oher, who can play LT, we'd be fools.


You must have forgotten what we did with our 3rd round pick in 2008. I dont trust the skins to correctly judge talent of 3rd round lineman at the present. Rabach was the 2nd best lineman on our roster last year.[/quote]Rabach was like the 7th best lineman on our roster last year. Maybe. Put it this way: playing the "which doesn't belong" game with the Redskins line during tape study isn't very challenging.

I did say given the talent proposed in Dirtbag's proposal, I'd have Willis outside and Smith inside. That's just what I'd do. It's not like I feel like Smith is incapable of handling RT, I'd just play him at his best position in order to win games.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;534337]unless he spent the night, i'm pretty sure Willis left the building without a contract yesterday.[/quote]

Oh, my bad. Well hopefully an offer is forthcoming.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=GTripp0012;534358]Rabach was like the 7th best lineman on our roster last year. Maybe. Put it this way: playing the "which doesn't belong" game with the Redskins line during tape study isn't very challenging.
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No way Rabach is worse than Jansen, Heyer, Thomas or any of our backups. At worst, he was our third best lineman behind Kendall and Samuels. I'm not saying I think Rabach is a stud - Center needs to be upgraded... its just the rest of our line is so bad. I think Rabach would play better with Dockery and someone other than Thomas beside him... whereas i dont think Randy would benefit much from having a better RT and Center beside him.

[quote=GTripp0012;534358]

I did say given the talent proposed in Dirtbag's proposal, I'd have Willis outside and Smith inside. That's just what I'd do. It's not like I feel like Smith is incapable of handling RT, I'd just play him at his best position in order to win games.[/quote]

Is that because you doubt Smiths ability or you have some supreme confidence in Willis?

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;534361]Is that because you doubt Smiths ability or you have some supreme confidence in Willis?[/quote]Well, if we're bringing in Willis, it's not to play RG.

I do doubt Smith's ability, to an extent, but if he's there at 13, I'm taking him and putting him in the best position to succeed no questions asked.

Assuming that Oher and Orakpo aren't there.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

lets not even pretend about what's going to happen:

the FO will sign TO to a 2-year deal on this judgement: he can command double teams, open up Moss, ARE, Cooley, and let Portis run to the left. If we're putting up more points, defense doesn't have to be as stellar- so we can get away w/ not addressing either LB or DE.

PISSES ME OFF.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=GTripp0012;534365]Well, if we're bringing in Willis, it's not to play RG.

I do doubt Smith's ability, to an extent, but if he's there at 13, I'm taking him and putting him in the best position to succeed no questions asked.

Assuming that Oher and Orakpo aren't there.[/quote]

I guess training camp could sort things out, but id have a hard time justifying drafting a guy at 13 to play guard. If i'm chosing between drafting Smith to play Guard and drafting almost any other postion, i'd draft another position. Smith has too many questions marks to take a chance on playing a position as easy to fill as guard.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=franklinhimself;534366]lets not even pretend about what's going to happen:

the FO will sign TO to a 2-year deal on this judgement: he can command double teams, open up Moss, ARE, Cooley, and let Portis run to the left. If we're putting up more points, defense doesn't have to be as stellar- so we can get away w/ not addressing either LB or DE.

PISSES ME OFF.[/quote]

Someone doesn't read the news.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;534368]I guess training camp could sort things out, but id have a hard time justifying drafting a guy at 13 to play guard. If i'm chosing between drafting Smith to play Guard and drafting almost any other postion, i'd draft another position. Smith has too many questions marks to take a chance on playing a position as easy to fill as guard.[/quote]


I agree with this, you do not draft one of those guys at 13 to be a guard. We have two good starting guards right now. If you draft a tackle at 13 you need him at RT now and hopefully he is talented enough to be your LT of the future.

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=franklinhimself;534366]lets not even pretend about what's going to happen:

the FO will sign TO to a 2-year deal on this judgement: he can command double teams, open up Moss, ARE, Cooley, and let Portis run to the left. If we're putting up more points, defense doesn't have to be as stellar- so we can get away w/ not addressing either LB or DE.

PISSES ME OFF.[/quote]
How can you get ticked off at
a) something that hasn't even happened yet
b) is not something that happened last time TO was a free agent
c) unlikely due to cap availabilty (notice i did not say impossible, just unlikely)

Re: Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit
 

[quote=Buster;534267]Maybe the WP figure includes the amount set aside for the draft and the article didn't.[/quote]

Our guru's here have already figured that the draft amount will be about 2.5-3 mill. If we are 12-13 under the CAP then I'll agree and say 6 mill is a lot to be off by?