Re: Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

[quote=hooskins;214108]Are you kidding, Matty I hope you saw Hall's other two kicks, they barely went in, and looked terrible, yeah defense was bad, Hall was worst.[/quote]

What's there to kid about?

Our defense was horrible on 3rd downs.

The offense stunk in the redzone.

Yet some people want to keep pointing at Hall.

I don't get it. He wasn't the main reason we lost. Not even close.

Re: Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

[quote=Hail2em;214071]yeah the kicking game needs attention, but we lost due to not stopping them on 3rd downs!!!! 3rd down conversions killed us!!!![/quote]
Exactly.

Re: Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

[QUOTE=hooskins;214108]Are you kidding, Matty I hope you saw Hall's other two kicks, they barely went in, and looked terrible, yeah defense was bad, Hall was worst.[/QUOTE]

During an NFL season Kicking will win you two or more games or not. Hall should have been cut and replaced long before tonight. Now we will have to live with it.

Re: Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

[QUOTE=Counter-Tre;214112]Exactly.[/QUOTE] Yes they were 8-16 and we were 4-12. Not good at all!

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The game should not have come down to that. Period. We should have replaced Hall this offseason, but now that we didn't, I'm not going to want to see him cut during the season.

It's kicking game. Take the good with the bad.

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45 yard field goals should be make-able in the NFL...can you say you would trust Hall to make those? I mean, come on, he missed badly, very badly. I really hate his demeanor. He has this "I don't give a f***" attitude just before he is kicking and right after he misses a kick. I really hate the guy now because he is not reliable and what good is a kicker if you can't rely on him to make the clutch kicks?

I really would have no problem whatsoever if we cut him tomorrow and bring back Novak.

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What about Carlos Rogers? Everytime I looked up he was letting another WR get by. He scared me just as much as Hall, at least I know Hall sucks. Was it just me, or did it look like Taylor was the only person trying on that defense, and credit to him for striking fear in the hearts of all recievers.

Re: Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

It was a 48 yarder. Makeable, sure. Chip shot? Not exactly.

Re: Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

[quote=LMsexyAO;214126]What about Carlos Rogers? Everytime I looked up he was letting another WR get by. He scared me just as much as Hall, at least I know Hall sucks. Was it just me, or did it look like Taylor was the only person trying on that defense, and credit to him for striking fear in the hearts of all recievers.[/quote]
Did you notice that even when he got beat (and nothing came of it), he was stomping like he did something? And he got beat a lot tonight. I'm beginning to worry about our defense.

Re: Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

When Hall lined up to kick that 47 yarder, it felt like a 67 yarder.
It wasn't REMOTELY close. Good snap, hold, and protection, but the ball may have hit the pylon. He can't kick off, there is something seriously wrong with this guy. We can spend 30+mil in a Arch, but can't address the kicking game? As much as Gibbs stresses 'Teams', I just have never understood this.

Re: Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

Whatever Hall is doing for Gibbs/Snyder behind closed doors, it's enough to gaurentee him his cushy job for another decade or so.

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What a let down. There's no amount of crack in the world that can pick me up after that loss. In our stadium, on 9/11, there's no reason that we didn't kick the $H!+ out of the Vikings. I think there is reasin to worry at this point.

Re: Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

The kicking game is what it is. There's nothing we can do about that now.

There are other teams with question marks at kicker. If Novak was so good, he'd be in somebody else's uniform.

For all the blame Hall is taking, why not throw some at Randle El for not getting the first down just a yard away on 3rd and 6?

Just based on how much more time he spends on the field, I think Carlos Rogers is far more of a concern than John Hall is.

Re: Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

[QUOTE=Moseley_in_the_snow;214132]When Hall lined up to kick that 47 yarder, it felt like a 67 yarder.
It wasn't REMOTELY close. Good snap, hold, and protection, but the ball may have hit the pylon. He can't kick off, there is something seriously wrong with this guy. We can spend 30+mil in a Arch, but can't address the kicking game? As much as Gibbs stresses 'Teams', I just have never understood this.[/QUOTE]

thats all I'm trying to say,once again I want to clarify that i'm not blaming this loss on frost or hall,the blame is shared,BUT THE KICKING GAME SUCKS AND HAS SUCKED,"We can spend 30+mil in a Arch, but can't address the kicking game?" great qoute,i think i said something similar a few post back
and yes we do have to live with the kickers we have now,but i dont have to like it,it SHOULD!!have been addressed in the offseason,it wasnt,and gibbs IS to blame for that

Re: Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

[quote=LMsexyAO;214126]What about Carlos Rogers? Everytime I looked up he was letting another WR get by. He scared me just as much as Hall, at least I know Hall sucks. Was it just me, or did it look like Taylor was the only person trying on that defense, and credit to him for striking fear in the hearts of all recievers.[/quote]
What did you expect?

[B][I]Negatives:[/I][/B] Showed much more confidence in his athletic ability in 2004, but in the past he would struggle in off coverage and give up too much cushion on the ball. It looked like he was hesitant to give up the big play … Has improved his work habits, but will do his "own thing" at times and needs to work in a structured environment to get the best out of his skills … Played mostly in man coverage in 2004 and had good success there, but still does not show a good feel to anticipate routes and is late on his turn when he peeks into the backfield too long … Has the speed to run with the receivers, but shuffles his feet too much through routes and lacks ideal hip snap to turn and run in transition … Can locate the receivers in front of him in zone coverage, but gets up on his heels too much … Not a fan of run support, as he gets tied up by combo blocks and gets soft when he has to face up to offensive linemen … Lunges and leaves his feet too much when making open-field tackles … The staff calls him a "coach on the field," but he has only adequate field awareness, shows stiffness in his turns, still allows too much separation and needs several reps to retain plays … Strictly a boom-or-bust type that may be better served in a Cover-2 system.