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This is a good test for Sam against a legit defense this week.


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1354709]This is a good test for Sam against a legit defense this week.


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I hate to say it but it's been a month since Sam's last good game. The last 3 weeks have been miserable and Seattle was the last time he effectively moved the ball (but he still threw 3 picks).

If he keeps this up to finish the year it might not be much of a debate as to whether the next staff wants him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1354658]I'm just glad McLaurin is still exactly who I knew he was, a stud.[/quote]

Funny how everyone kept saying he wasn't getting open. Then Jacoby gets in there and all of a sudden Terry's open.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1354711]Funny how everyone kept saying he wasn't getting open. Then Jacoby gets in there and all of a sudden Terry's open.[/quote]

Sam has been playing subpar football the last month. His accuracy is off - he went 11/26 against the Rams before being benched. I can't tell if he's shell shocked from being sacked or if he doesn't trust his eyes but defenses have figured out how to play him.

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He has definitely shown flashes, dropped some dimes, had some mad scramble plays - he's tough too. However, he hasn't closed the door on the 'do we draft a QB with our first pick' conversation. That's why it's important that he finish the season as the starter. I think I've seen enough to be ok with the new regime picking a QB in the 1st round though, either by staying put, trading up, or trading back. Everything's on the table.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1354711]Funny how everyone kept saying he wasn't getting open. Then Jacoby gets in there and all of a sudden Terry's open.[/quote]

This comment from Steven Ruiz is interesting:
[url]https://twitter.com/theStevenRuiz/status/1736812144463851724[/url]

The tweets below it (posts? Not sure what to call them now thanks to Musk) about Howell’s metrics this year are also interesting. My guess is the boss wants future GM and HC to have enough data to make an informed decision but it doesn’t sound good for Sam.


Also worth reading from Terry:
[url]https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/1736595534243405891?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1736595534243405891%7Ctwgr%5E5b7a886f4ef129e4e74ee4f6d7960f1a539386e8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2023%2F12%2F19%2F23999515%2Fall-atwitter-19-december-2023-ron-rivera-finally-saw-enough-and-cut-cameron-cheeseman[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1354711]Funny how everyone kept saying he wasn't getting open. Then Jacoby gets in there and all of a sudden Terry's open.[/quote]

Yeah against a Rams D up 2 scores late in the 4th and playing effectively prevent. Not to diss JB but it's not representative.

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I think Terry needs a true On Time passer as his QB , Sam is more of an off schedule QB.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1354724]Yeah against a Rams D up 2 scores late in the 4th and playing effectively prevent. Not to diss JB but it's not representative.[/quote]

I'm glad somebody else noticed.

There were no extra rushers and the 4 down linemen made no attempt to get to the QB so Brissett had all day to throw the ball unlike Howell.

:)

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[quote=davy;1354727]I'm glad somebody else noticed.

There were no extra rushers and the 4 down linemen made no attempt to get to the QB so Brissett had all day to throw the ball unlike Howell.

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Rams barely blitz anyway, but that doesnt explain why we hadnt had a 40 yard completion to a WR all season

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Howell has been down by 30 against the Bills, Cowboys and Dolphins and still wasn't getting the ball to Terry. Maybe it has to do with Sam being more off schedule maybe it is because he is more comfortable with other receivers but regardless he has had more garbage time against back ups than JB

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At the end of the day SH has 3 more games to show what he can do.. If he continues this down trend then he will most likely be replaced next yr

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1354729]Howell has been down by 30 against the Bills, Cowboys and Dolphins and still wasn't getting the ball to Terry. Maybe it has to do with Sam being more off schedule maybe it is because he is more comfortable with other receivers but regardless he has had more garbage time against back ups than JB[/quote]

Not defending Howell, I don't think he is the answer at QB, just saying it's unfair comparing the 2 QBs based on the Rams game.

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The numbers back up the eye test, Sam has regressed the last month or so. We'll see what happens after the season but if he finishes these last 3 games the same way it's almost guaranteed a new staff will go with a new qb.

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[quote=davy;1354731]Not defending Howell, I don't think he is the answer at QB, just saying it's unfair comparing the 2 QBs based on the Rams game.[/quote]

I can agree with that

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The numbers back up the eye test, Sam has regressed the last month or so. We'll see what happens after the season but if he finishes these last 3 games the same way it's almost guaranteed a new staff will go with a new qb.[/quote]

Bear in mind that he has faced better teams in weeks 9-12, this has been his true rookie year, he has been beat up all season, some of his teammates have quit on the team, etc. The jury is still out on Sam, IMO.

Don't confuse the above as my saying we shouldn't draft or acquire another QB. I think the new football executives should be alert for opportunities to improve any position. I just think it's way too soon to close the book on Sam's career as an NFL starter, here or elsewhere.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1354739]Bear in mind that he has faced better teams in weeks 9-12, this has been his true rookie year, he has been beat up all season, some of his teammates have quit on the team, etc. The jury is still out on Sam, IMO.

Don't confuse the above as my saying we shouldn't draft or acquire another QB. I think the new football executives should be alert for opportunities to improve any position. I just think it's way too soon to close the book on Sam's career as an NFL starter, here or elsewhere.[/QUOTE]


Agree with this 110 percent. I will add his coaching staff has quit also - not that they were adding to his development before. He has zero home field advantage and zero run game.

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Agreed. It shouldn't be nailed on we draft a QB or don't, it'll be the new regimes decision in any case. But giving up on SH based on just the last 6 games with this team is short-sighted.

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While the season has been a disaster I don't think it's fair to say the coaches have quit. EB especially wants to put good tape out there with the offense for whatever his next opportunity is.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1354739]Bear in mind that he has faced better teams in weeks 9-12, this has been his true rookie year, he has been beat up all season, some of his teammates have quit on the team, etc. The jury is still out on Sam, IMO.

Don't confuse the above as my saying we shouldn't draft or acquire another QB. I think the new football executives should be alert for opportunities to improve any position. I just think it's way too soon to close the book on Sam's career as an NFL starter, here or elsewhere.[/quote]

Oh I'm not closing the book on his career as a starter, he flashed potential earlier in the year. Just saying he appears to have regressed. His accuracy and vision is off and he appears to be playing timid.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1354746]While the season has been a disaster I don't think it's fair to say the coaches have quit. EB especially wants to put good tape out there with the offense for whatever his next opportunity is.[/QUOTE]


Quit was a poor choice of words. I should have said failed.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1354747]Oh I'm not closing the book on his career as a starter, he flashed potential earlier in the year. Just saying he appears to have regressed. His accuracy and vision is off and he appears to be playing timid.[/QUOTE]


The pressure he has faced would make Andre the Giant timid.

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I will confess I am not as high on Sam as I was at the beginning of the season but in the end my opinion is useless. I think next year we will have the first in over 25 years a GM to HC formula that the rest of the league has used. I trust they will have the film they need on Sam to make a decision that will set us on the right path.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1354652]I just don't see how he is better than Penix.[/quote]

I'm not a fan of Penix at all . . . i see a big BUST with him.

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If I'm the new GM and I'm confident of turning this franchise around quickly with much better coaching, better use of players already here, some sensible FA pickups and a good draft. I'm asking myself, "Am I going to be picking this high again in the near future?".

If the answer to that is no, it becomes very, very difficult not to take one of the top 2/3 QBs.

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I think Sam is definitely back next season, but as the starter? Nah. We'll draft someone or sign someone.

If someone told you back in August Sam was going to lead the league in INTs, pick sixes, and sacks, there's no way you'd say yeah, sign me up for some more of that.

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[quote=punch it in;1354749]The pressure he has faced would make Andre the Giant timid.[/quote]

He's faced the same pressure all year - he was handling it better until the last month or so.

I think the decision would be much tougher if he hadn't played so terribly the last 2-3 weeks. He needs to make some plays these last 3 weeks otherwise new staff is going to move on.

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I personally also think the scheme and playcalling is hot trash. All it does is attribute to Sam looking and playing worse.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1354756]I think Sam is definitely back next season, but as the starter? Nah. We'll draft someone or sign someone.

If someone told you back in August Sam was going to lead the league in INTs, pick sixes, and sacks, there's no way you'd say yeah, sign me up for some more of that.[/QUOTE]


I didn’t realize he led the league in pick 6s… damn.

Yeah that’s brutal


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1354763]I didn’t realize he led the league in pick 6s… damn.

Yeah that’s brutal


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He's thrown 4, Mac Jones and Bryce Young have thrown 3, bunch of other guys have thrown 2.

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The numbers back up the eye test, Sam has regressed the last month or so. We'll see what happens after the season but if he finishes these last 3 games the same way it's almost guaranteed a new staff will go with a new qb.[/quote]

He regressed or teams adjusted?
Howell doesn't get the ball downfield with any accuracy. Sure he has a good arm but can he see the whole field?
His 2 longest receptions are to RBs on broken plays.
500+ pass attempts, Howell did not complete a 40+ yard reception to Terry or Jahan.

If I'm game planning for Howell, Damn near all passes are under 20 yards. I'm going to make him beat me over the top.
That's why Brissett made the long pass look easy. They didn't game plan for anything deep and left the corner without help.

Sam needs to go out swinging against the Jets. Considering how well guys like Flacco and Mayfield are playing, Sam Howell is looking like a practice squad player right now. He needs to put up big plays to stay relevant. 5th round picks don't get to suck for this long.

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I thought the long ball was supposed to be his strength? He seems to miss everyone deep.

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Sam knows he has the last three games to shine .. if he doesn't then it's his loss because the new regime will pick a QB .. To me Sam looks like he is "shell shocked "and is in panic mode .. I guess all the sacks and picks can take its toll .. I don't see him as the answer unless he shows a lot in the next 3 weeks ..

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I don't know if I'm buying the whole shell shocked thing. He gets sacked a lot, that's who he is. That's who he has been for years.

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If Sam was a first round rookie I wonder how the conversation would be going? We would not be ready to give up on him. Yet because Sam is short by NFL standards, and he's a 5th rounder, everyone has mostly mailed it in.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1354777]If Sam was a first round rookie I wonder how the conversation would be going? We would not be ready to give up on him. Yet because Sam is short by NFL standards, and he's a 5th rounder, everyone has mostly mailed it in.[/quote]

If we were picking 12th, it would be a moot point. He would get another shot. But we're heading towards a top-5 pick (although we might fuck this up against the Jests), and that's QB country. Especially w/ a new GM/HC that didn't pick Howell.

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We are here to win games not give people opportunities to grow their careers.

Dwayne Haskins was a first rounder and tall but he shit the bed so he had to go.
Russ Wilson is short and a late round pick but he won early and often so he got paid.

How about we get players that play well for once?

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Jamf .. I hear you but I'm not sure we have had the coaches to get the best out of ANY of our players .. I find it hard to believe our talent is as bad as the team looks ... to me it starts at the top .. What scares me most about our top pick is look at San Fran ( no dispute they are a well run organization.. yet they whiffed on Trey Lance .. if we whiff on another top 5 pick then it sets us back years .. there will be 2 QBs picked before us .. so we are looking at a reach at pick 4 instead of picking a sure fire lock in Harrison Jr or top Left tackle .. the VERY BEST talent evaluators are not very successful with this QB thing .. it's because outside the obvious top guy the rest are reaches .. if we pass on Harrison Jr and pick Daniels out of LSU and he fails then what then .. that's why everyone was hoping Sam could be the guy .. doesn't look like he will but no guarantees our top pick if QB will be ANY better .. I would be all in on trading our Number one pick to a team for a known QB ( Herbert for sure) .. he is who we should have taken anyway. But Chargers would never do that .. would they ??

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Rocnrik , nothing absolutely nothing is a sure fire pick

Chase Young was billed as the best thing ever ; look at him

As far as QB you got keep scratching that lotto pick until it hits

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mredskins, wasssssuuuupppppp

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