Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;546752][B]People like me point out that QB is ONE of our problems and we're labeled as claiming its the ONLY problem? i dont think ANYONE here has ever claimed that he is the "only" problem. [/B]

QB is a position of concern in 2009, and likely (for one reason or another) to be a position of extreme need in 2010. It needs to be evaluated and prioritized along with OL, DE, LB, WR, RB and nickleback. The evaluation needs to compare the specific players we have with the specific players we are able to acquire, what players will be available next year, the risks involved if an draftee doesnt work out, the risks involved in "doing nothing" to address each position, and so on.

The bottom line question is this - What actions can we take to have the best long-term effect on the franchise?[/quote]

I have a simple answer for this, and I dare you to counter my point without: writing a long ass paragraph, take the approach that your opinion is fact, and mention "sources" without actually mentioning them.

Right now there is talk of the team getting Mark Sanchez, well this is how we would get Mark Sanchez and what it would result:

Mark Sanchez = Trading Up = Giving up #13 in '09, a later round pick '09, and/or round pick in '10. Giving up draft picks in '09, including the #13, and possibly a pick in '10 = no Michael Oher or Brian Orakpo, no possibility of trading down, and going into '10 down one draft pick.

So by you telling me that we need Mark Sanchez to replace Jason Campbell, you are telling me that you are willing to risk losing all of these draft picks for the sake of addressing the "QB" position, which would in turn result in not being able to address the DE, LB, RT, and any other position of need. If we are not addressing these other position, then logic tells me that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem.

Oh and are you by any chance Dan Snyder?

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;546922]Oh and are you by any chance Dan Snyder?[/quote]

If you are Dan , can you explain why you hate us.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;546913]Let's not get carried away. He may or may not be behind Bradford and McCoy but no way is he behind Tebow.[/quote]

really? Bradford and Tebow both have Heisman's, Tebow had 2 successive very good/outstanding years. Sanchez did what? Led a team that is perennially a powerhouse. I swear my mind is stuck on one argument. USC built the team, then plugged Sanchez in. Exactly what I want the Redskins to do.

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[quote=wilsowilso;546921]I can't recall a Redskins draft that I wanted to be over and done with more than this one.[/quote]

So true, although I was really anxious for the ST draft, because I wanted to see who we got, ST/KWII. But that was from an excitement point of view. This year I just want to see it and see that we don't do something idiotic (like move up for Sanchez)

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[quote=Mattyk72;546872]
If we draft Sanchez I might have to take a step back from being a Skins fan for a while. That's how ticked I will be, I'll have one foot out the door.[/quote]

I agree. I mean, I always be a fan, but I just wonder how many times Danny and Co have to fall flat on their face before they realize their methods are broken. I wonder if the fact that McDaniels didn't want Campbell has Danny so intent on finding his replacement. That impulsive little idiot will never get it. I'm convinced. We have so many holes, and QB is not one of them. We already know we have a solid QB. Why mortgage the future (and the present given our needs)? Sanchez could just as easily be Joey Harrington, Alex Smith, or Heath Shuler as he could be Matt Ryan.

It's frustrating that the team I've loved my whole life is run by one of the youngest owners in the league who is intent on repeating the same behavior over and over and expecting different results. Danny isn't going anywhere for a long, long time. If he doesn't change his ways, I guess I better get used to the fact that I won't see consistent success for the rest of my life, literally.

How can such a sharp business man be so friggin dumb? He covets all these big names, and I'm sure he covets the success of the premier franchises these days (NE, Pitt, etc). So why on earth can't he take a page from their book? Build from the inside out, Napoleon.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;546925]really? Bradford and Tebow both have Heisman's, Tebow had 2 successive very good/outstanding years. Sanchez did what? Led a team that is perennially a powerhouse. I swear my mind is stuck on one argument. USC built the team, then plugged Sanchez in. Exactly what I want the Redskins to do.[/quote]

Winning the Heisman trophy has little to no value as an indicator for NFL success as a quarterback.

There have been Heisman trophy winning quarterbacks that went undrafted.

I doubt there is a single GM in the NFL that takes Tebow over Sanchez if Tebow had declared for this draft.

I don't want Sanchez by the way, but he has what the NFL is looking for with regards to him deserving to be a top ten pick.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;546918]Okay, new question: should the Giants trade multiple first round picks to get up and land Sanchez? Their franchise QB isn't really even as good as Campbell is here right now. Plus, they seem to be a team that has most parts in place, at least talking OL (although they have depth issues).

Where is the threshold for a team to stop trying to improve their QB situation?

I only defer this question to you since you clearly consider yourself the authority on what it takes for a QB to be "great".[/quote]

Eli is better than JC.

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[quote=GMScud;546927] Sanchez could just as easily be Joey Harrington, Alex Smith, or Heath Shuler as he could be Matt Ryan.[/quote]

Didn't we end up trading back for Ramsey after we failed to trade up for Joey Harrington. Anyone else remember Dan talking outside of the War Room on draft day that year.

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[quote=Son Of Man;546929]Eli is better than JC.[/quote]I think you could make that argument, although he won a SB doing exactly what BHA is critiquing Campbell for, but you'd have to admit they are on exactly the same tier.

But the point was, the Giants have yet to extend his contract. Should they be looking to trade up and get Sanchez? I'm wondering, because based on the value system that BHA and others have shown, the answer would seem like a resounding yes. But I don't hear any Giants fans or team reporters even suggesting this as a remote possibility.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;546925]really? Bradford and Tebow both have Heisman's, Tebow had 2 successive very good/outstanding years. Sanchez did what? Led a team that is perennially a powerhouse. I swear my mind is stuck on one argument. USC built the team, then plugged Sanchez in. Exactly what I want the Redskins to do.[/quote]

Is that why Tebow was projected as a 4th round pick...at H-Back?

Eric Crouch won a Heisman.

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[quote=Son Of Man;546929]Eli is better than JC.[/quote]

Have fun arguing with Tripp about quarterbacks.

He has the power of statistical vortex.

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[quote=wilsowilso;546933]Have fun arguing with Tripp about quarterbacks.

He has the power of statistical vortex.[/quote]That's why they call me the Quarterback guru.

Actually, I called myself that, and then they rightfully made fun of me.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Son Of Man;546932]Is that why Tebow was projected as a 4th round pick...at H-Back?

Eric Crouch won a Heisman.[/quote]

As a huge Gator fan, I've been biting my tounge on the Tebow comments. But don't even think of comparing him to Eric Crouch. Tebow has better numbers, a better arm, and all of his intangibles are off the charts. He's 6-3, 240, and very mobile. Not to mention he can make every throw, and if you watched him in the SEC Championship game or the title game, dude can thread the needle when he needs to. After this coming season, he will leave UF as one of, if not the most accomplished college QUARTERBACK of all time. He'll be a pro QB, and I have a feeling he'll be a good one.

I guarantee you he is a first round pick in 2010. As a QB. As GTripp said, there's no way every team passes on him.

Jon Gruden knows a thing or two about QBs. Here's his take on Super T during an interview:

[I]Q: [/I]Most people are dismissing Tebow as a quarterback in the NFL.

Gruden: "Tim Tebow is so interesting to me. He’s like [URL="http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/brandon-jacobs-PESPT008383.topic"]Brandon Jacobs[/URL] playing quarterback. He’s 250 pounds. He’s the strongest human being who’s ever played the position. Ever. He will kick the living [expletive] out of a defensive lineman. He’ll fight anybody. He is rare. Tebow is the kind of guy who could revolutionize the game. He’s the ‘wildcat’ who can throw. Most of the teams that have the wildcat back there, it’s Ronnie Brown, it’s Jerious Norwood, it’s whoever you want to say it is. This guy here is 250 pounds of concrete cyanide, man. And he can throw. He throws well enough at any level to play quarterback.”

“He can and will play quarterback in the NFL. When he was a high school senior, they played Armwood in the state championship game. I have tape. He has an 80-yard touchdown run that put them in the lead. When it flipped around, and Armwood had the ball, what position do you think Tebow was playing? He was playing nose guard — and he disrupted about 10 plays. This guy is totally different. He’s got [URL="http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/rich-gannon-PESPT002463.topic"]Rich Gannon[/URL], Drew Brees, that kind of makeup as a team guy. What he said after the Ole Miss game, I said, ‘That’s my favorite football player I’ve ever seen in my whole life.’ I said, ‘I want Florida to win every game that kid plays from now on.’”

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Son Of Man;546932]Is that why Tebow was projected as a 4th round pick...at H-Back?

Eric Crouch won a Heisman.[/quote]

I thought I had read the pecking order for this year's draft at the end of the college season, and Sanchez was behind all three. but I could not find it via google. So if i was wrong i is very truly sorry.

I still would say Sanchez would be number 3 at the best and that's not worth any more than this year's number 13. Especially if, as the JC bashing crowd says, we don't improve and end up with the same or worse record. Then we might as well wait till next year and let the newest head coach select the newest franchise quarterback with all the bank books DS can throw at him.

But with this year's draft lets build for this years team.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;546922]I have a simple answer for this, and I dare you to counter my point without: writing a long ass paragraph, take the approach that your opinion is fact, and mention "sources" without actually mentioning them.

Right now there is talk of the team getting Mark Sanchez, well this is how we would get Mark Sanchez and what it would result:

Mark Sanchez = Trading Up = Giving up #13 in '09, a later round pick '09, and/or round pick in '10. Giving up draft picks in '09, including the #13, and possibly a pick in '10 = no Michael Oher or Brian Orakpo, no possibility of trading down, and going into '10 down one draft pick.

So by you telling me that we need Mark Sanchez to replace Jason Campbell, you are telling me that you are willing to risk losing all of these draft picks for the sake of addressing the "QB" position, which would in turn result in not being able to address the DE, LB, RT, and any other position of need. If we are not addressing these other position, then logic tells me that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem.

Oh and are you by any chance Dan Snyder?[/quote]

What sources have i ever claimed to have? I dont have inside sources. I'm just a fan.

As to your "logic" to say i think Campbell is the only problem, completely ignores the explanation i gave. I'll requote it:

[quote]QB is a position of concern in 2009, and likely (for one reason or another) to be a position of extreme need in 2010. It needs to be evaluated and prioritized along with OL, DE, LB, WR, RB and nickleback. The evaluation needs to compare the specific players we have with the specific players we are able to acquire, what players will be available next year, the risks involved if an draftee doesnt work out, the risks involved in "doing nothing" to address each position, and so on.[/quote]

your "logic" would mean if I said we should trade up to draft Jason Smith, it would mean I thought it was the teams ONLY need, and we were ignoring the others? No, it would just mean that I thought Jason Smith was so head and shoulders above both what we have on this team, and above his peers in the draft, that he was worth trading up to get, even if it meant making fewer improvements in other areas. It wouldnt mean i felt OT was the teams only need.

Feel free to disagree with me, and express your opinion, but dont assert i have opinions which i have not expressed, especially when theyre that outlandish.