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Daniel Jeremiah always wrong and Bucky Brooks...always right

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[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/62133/Report--49ers--Jets-showing-interest-in-Hoyer/Default.aspx]Report: 49ers, Jets showing interest in Hoyer[/url]

So lets say the 49ers get Hoyer before any Cousins news....
Hoyer the starter?
Projected back up to Cousins?

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[quote=mooby;1166767]This is why I am starting to get slightly concerned about Kirk staying. When you hear names like Ian Rapaport getting involved you start to wonder. And unfortunately for the most part when there's smoke with the Redskins there's usually fire, we have earned that rep and then some.[/quote]

Well, even Rapaport fell prey to the misinformation and reported it when there was no evidence of truth. He probably went on the assumption that the Redskins were foolish enough to trade Cousins for Romo.

That being said, I think we all should just believe it when we see it. As long as nothing concrete has happened yet, then Cousins is a Redskin.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1166768]Daniel Jeremiah always wrong and Bucky Brooks...always right[/QUOTE]



lol Bucky Brooks

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How could you not believe anything from someone named Bucky?

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Bucky Brooks mock has us and the Giants taking QBs in the first round.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;1166766]I tend to analyze news from all sources, including the tweet I posted. Chad Ryan may be random to people who don't know him, but he holds water for a sizable group that does. In other words, he's not one to post rumors for click bait. His sources are usually credible- he may or may not have been given a false leak this time around. It remains to be seen. But why is he considered less reputable than anything that comes out of Bruce Allen's mouth or anyone from the Post nowadays? The Internet is the news medium, whether you like it or not.

This is a thread called "Kirk Cousins 365". People are going to post rumors on both sides of the spectrum. If we really are going to vet sources and cite everything in MLA format (hyperbole I know), it kind of detracts from the whole entertainment value of forums in general.


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Thank u! That's all I've said, I'm not gonna sit there and copy and paste everything I see online lol or track down shit u hear on tv or radio. If you choose to not believe it that's fine, but it's a social media world now, news is all over it. Nothing any of us have said about Kirk leaving or staying has been made up by us.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1166807]Thank u! That's all I've said, I'm not gonna sit there and copy and paste everything I see online lol or track down shit u hear on tv or radio. If you choose to not believe it that's fine, but it's a social media world now, news is all over it. Nothing any of us have said about Kirk leaving or staying has been made up by us.[/quote]

Unacceptable. Go to xtremeskins or whatever they call themselves now.

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[quote=metalskins;1166771]Well, even Rapaport fell prey to the misinformation and reported it when there was no evidence of truth. He probably went on the assumption that the Redskins were foolish enough to trade Cousins for Romo.

That being said, I think we all should just believe it when we see it. As long as nothing concrete has happened yet, then Cousins is a Redskin.[/quote]

Well there is always the theory (yes I know) that Bruce Allen asked Rapaport to report that insane Redskins/Cowboys/49ers bs to get the heat of the McC story. How true it is? Idk. But I can definitely see our front office trying to cover up bad press with some other bs.

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[quote=Schneed10;1166808]Unacceptable. Go to xtremeskins or whatever they call themselves now.[/quote]

easy...while I agree with your post above, the context of this period of speculation of "legal tamper" feeds this type of rumor, bs, etc. This is what the NFL wants, even more build up, coverage, gossip, drama, etc.

Dude is a good, consistent poster...chill a lil bit.

We have a GM in Skins sweatpants roaming the suburbs of NOVA like a modern day Sasquatch...this is life of a Skins fan right now. Folks are a lil apprehensive with everything that is going on.

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[quote=Chico23231;1166812]easy...while I agree with your post above, the context of this period of speculation of "legal tamper" feeds this type of rumor, bs, etc. This is what the NFL wants, even more build up, coverage, gossip, drama, etc.

Dude is a good, consistent poster...chill a lil bit.

We have a GM in Skins sweatpants roaming the suburbs of NOVA like a modern day Sasquatch...this is life of a Skins fan right now. Folks are a lil apprehensive with everything that is going on.[/quote]

And so goes the rationalization for lazy thinking. Retarded post.

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Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet

[B]It’s a 2-year deal for #49ers and QB Brian Hoyer. Fair to say, this makes it unlikely they bring in Kirk Cousins in a trade with #Redskins[/B]
2:02 PM · Mar 8, 2017

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This fucked up (known as "normal" in Redskins Park) Kirk Cousins business seems to have everybody on edge.

Personally, I'm trying to keep my cool but I'm telling you that the familiar stink of Danny is all over this shit. Snyder probably has his eye on some college QB that Smithers will draft with our #17 pick.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1166826]This fucked up (known as "normal" in Redskins Park) Kirk Cousins business seems to have everybody on edge.

Personally, I'm trying to keep my cool but I'm telling you that the familiar stink of Danny is all over this shit. Snyder probably has his eye on some college QB that Smithers will draft with our #17 pick.[/quote]

I don't get what's f*cked up about it. Do you really expect a player in his prime and an NFL team would get a deal done before a deadline?

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[quote=SirLK26;1166819]Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet

[B]It’s a 2-year deal for #49ers and QB Brian Hoyer. Fair to say, this makes it unlikely they bring in Kirk Cousins in a trade with #Redskins[/B]
2:02 PM · Mar 8, 2017[/quote]

ROFL.

Signing Brian Hoyer doesn't mean jack shit. That dude is strictly a backup. He's garbage.


[B]
@AKinkhabwala

Someone very close to Kyle Shanahan tells me: No way Brian Hoyer signing precludes move for frontline QB. Kirk Cousins chatter not dead yet.
[/B]
[url]https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status/839573936614539265[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1166833]ROFL.

Signing Brian Hoyer doesn't mean jack shit. That dude is strictly a backup. He's garbage.

[B]
@AKinkhabwala

[B]Someone very close to Kyle Shanahan tells me[/B]: No way Brian Hoyer signing precludes move for frontline QB. Kirk Cousins chatter not dead yet.
[/B][/quote]

Bruce Allen? LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1166835]Bruce Allen? LOL.[/quote]

:laughing2:food-smil

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[quote=Ruhskins;1166835]Bruce Allen? LOL.[/quote]

:laughing-

She also noted that Kyle wasn't going to mortgage the future for Cousins.


[B]@AKinkhabwala
Let's be clear, as @Alex_Flanagan been saying all day: Kyle Shanahan on 6yr contract. Not mortgaging future for anyone, incl Kirk Cousins[/B]


[url]https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status/839575794276007940[/url]


While signing Brian Hoyer doesn't mean jack shit, they aren't about to give us a truck load of picks for Cousins.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1166837]:laughing-

She also noted that Kyle wasn't going to mortgage the future for Cousins.

[B]@AKinkhabwala
Let's be clear, as @Alex_Flanagan been saying all day: Kyle Shanahan on 6yr contract. Not mortgaging future for anyone, incl Kirk Cousins[/B]

[url]https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status/839575794276007940[/url]

While signing Brian Hoyer doesn't mean jack shit, they aren't about to give us a truck load of picks for Cousins.[/quote]

Hoyer signing means that he's their stopgap

Mike Clay‏ @MikeClayNFL 4m4 minutes ago
Of course...but he's also a fine seat warmer for a potential Round 1 or 2 draft pick.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1166832]I don't get what's f*cked up about it. Do you really expect a player in his prime and an NFL team would get a deal done before a deadline?[/quote]

It's fucked up because of the indecision of the front office at the end of the [U]2016[/U] season. They needed to make a yes or no decision on keeping Kirk at that time in order to [U]ever[/U] get a reasonable long-term deal with him, if that is what they decided they wanted. When they tagged him, it was crystal clear, even to a non-professional like me, what that decision meant. It meant they would [U]not[/U] be getting a reasonable deal in the future due to the mechanics of the franchise tag. They knew that if Kirk had a successful season that they were going to have to pay him Top 5 money, at least Top 5 for now until the real Top 5 guys sign new contracts. It's called QB salary inflation.

On top of that, they deceived Kirk by telling him that if he had a good season in 2017 that he would get paid. He not only had a good season but he had a very good season. Apparently, he needed to play like Tom Brady to satisfy somebody at Redskins Park and get that contract they promised him.

Now, they are trying to low ball him when they should have patted him on the back right after the season ended and signed him to a lucrative contract, announcing to the world that "We're headed for bigger and better things and Kirk is our leader".

They fucked it up.

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First - we need real KC news so we can have a legitimate reason to start a new thread - This one has gone to crazy land of opening the first page when I click go to last post.

2nd. You have to wonder, if KC does stay, and with less weapons and a first time OC, does have a statistically worse year than last year, does he knock potential bidders out of a 6yr 140M deal. I know he will have 44M and who needs more, but if it's about worth and respect, he may find he shoots himself in the foot by pushing this too far.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1166842]It's fucked up because of the indecision of the front office at the end of the [U]2016[/U] season. They needed to make a yes or no decision on keeping Kirk at that time in order to [U]ever[/U] get a reasonable long-term deal with him, if that is what they decided they wanted. When they tagged him, it was crystal clear, even to a non-professional like me, what that decision meant. It meant they would [U]not[/U] be getting a reasonable deal in the future due to the mechanics of the franchise tag. They knew that if Kirk had a successful season that they were going to have to pay him Top 5 money, at least Top 5 for now until the real Top 5 guys sign new contracts. It's called QB salary inflation.

On top of that, they deceived Kirk by telling him that if he had a good season in 2017 that he would get paid. He not only had a good season but he had a very good season. Apparently, he needed to play like Tom Brady to satisfy somebody at Redskins Park and get that contract they promised him.

Now, they are trying to low ball him when they should have patted him on the back right after the season ended and signed him to a lucrative contract, announcing to the world that "We're headed for bigger and better things and Kirk is our leader".

They fucked it up.[/quote]

Meh, I am ok that they didn't go all in last year. This year, I am surprised they haven't but still KC needs to be a cooperative partner. If they offered 6 years 120 million with 60M guaranteed, even that's "only 20M/per year" it's still a top 5-10 payout. I can understand KC wanting to play his leverage out to the hilt to get every possible dollar, but that doesn't mean the FO effed it up. KC is not a sure fire elite qb. He is a surefire top 10 qb. I think that 20M per year (though I expected them to offer 23M) is a rational offer.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1166842]It's fucked up because of the indecision of the front office at the end of the [U]2016[/U] season. They needed to make a yes or no decision on keeping Kirk at that time in order to [U]ever[/U] get a reasonable long-term deal with him, if that is what they decided they wanted. When they tagged him, it was crystal clear, even to a non-professional like me, what that decision meant. It meant they would [U]not[/U] be getting a reasonable deal in the future due to the mechanics of the franchise tag. They knew that if Kirk had a successful season that they were going to have to pay him Top 5 money, at least Top 5 for now until the real Top 5 guys sign new contracts. It's called QB salary inflation.

On top of that, they deceived Kirk by telling him that if he had a good season in 2017 that he would get paid. He not only had a good season but he had a very good season. Apparently, he needed to play like Tom Brady to satisfy somebody at Redskins Park and get that contract they promised him.

Now, they are trying to low ball him when they should have patted him on the back right after the season ended and signed him to a lucrative contract, announcing to the world that "We're headed for bigger and better things and Kirk is our leader".

They fucked it up.[/quote]

But Kirk Cousins didn't have the same success he had in the previous season, since the team didn't make the playoffs, and his last showing was pretty bad. Especially when considering that he wants to be the highest paid QB.

You do realize that Von Miller, who was the Super Bowl MVP and arguably the best player at his position that year, was tagged and the negotiations went all the way to the July deadline?

Honestly, we are in a situation where neither side needs to agree to anything. Cousins' side is going to hold off until they get the deal they want and so will the Redskins. This is the way business is done in the NFL.

Here, read this piece by Andrew Brandt, which explains way better the whole Cousins' situation from a NFL business perspective: [url=http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/07/nfl-kirk-cousins-contract-colin-kaepernick-49ers-free-agency-adrian-peterson-tony-romo-themmqb-business-of-football-andrew-brandt]You Would Treat Kirk Cousins the Same Way | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1166819]Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet

[B]It’s a 2-year deal for #49ers and QB Brian Hoyer. Fair to say, this makes it unlikely they bring in Kirk Cousins in a trade with #Redskins[/B]
2:02 PM · Mar 8, 2017[/QUOTE]
If I had to guess now, I'd still say they will try and trade for Kirk. I believe this is a backup plan for not getting Kirk this season. Ultimately I think Kirk ends up there regardless but we shall see

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1166847]If I had to guess now, I'd still say they will try and trade for Kirk. I believe this is a backup plan for not getting Kirk this season. Ultimately I think Kirk ends up there regardless but we shall see

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It's probably going to come down to compensation. I believe that Allen isn't going to be taken to the cleaners on this deal. (like he was with RG3) Either he gets the compensation close to what he wants to or he rolls with KC as the starter next season. In the same token, I think people hoping for the 49ers #2 overall pick are smoking the good stuff. That isn't going to happen. I even doubt a swap of 1st round picks would work for KC when you calculate what it would take to move from 17 to 2.

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[quote=metalskins;1166740]What about Kirk Cousins, Pierre Garcon, AND DeSean Jackson?[/quote]

Since it's already a certainty the other 2 are gone I'll pretend like it's all ok. I hope Doctson is healthy and legit.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1166850]It's probably going to come down to compensation. I believe that Allen isn't going to be taken to the cleaners on this deal. (like he was with RG3) Either he gets the compensation close to what he wants to or he rolls with KC as the starter next season. In the same token, [B][I]I think people hoping for the 49ers #2 overall pick are smoking the good stuff. That isn't going to happen.[/I][/B] I even doubt a swap of 1st round picks would work for KC when you calculate what it would take to move from 17 to 2.[/quote]


I don't believe a swap for first rounders is at all out of the realm of possibility, but it's possible that the 49ers are willing to give the Redskins next year's first rounder and this year's second rounder - which would almost be like a first round pick. Throw in a third rounder either this year or next year, and I think Bruce Allen would bite on that.

However, it's possible Kyle decides to go after Romo now that he's in the free and clear. He would be free, then to draft a quarterback and have that guy sit behind Hoyer and Romo for a year or so. That way, the 49ers still get a quarterback that can make an immediate impact, one that has won in the post season, and a solid backup in case Romo went down with injury. All the while having the future quarterback on the roster. That might be a more attractive move than to go for Cousins this year. And if things don't work out with Romo this year or they don't draft a quarterback (or both), then they can probably get Cousins next year without having to mortgage the future.

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From overthecap top qb's and APY

Player APY
Andrew Luck $24,594,000 (3 playoff wins and 1st pick hype)
Drew Brees $24,250,000 (SB win)
Kirk Cousins $23,944,000 (1 and a bit playoff losses)
Joe Flacco $22,133,333 (SB win)
Aaron Rodgers $22,000,000 (SB win 17 playoff appearances)
Russell Wilson $21,900,000 (SB win)
Ben Roethlisberger $21,850,000 (SB wins)
Carson Palmer $21,000,000 (1 playoff win )
Eli Manning $21,000,000 (SB wins)
Philip Rivers $20,812,500 (4 playoff wins)


This is just to say that if KC chooses not to accept an offer that has an APY of around 22M, (i get contract inflation) then I'm not going to fault the FO for not getting him signed. Even at 20M that's probably a legitimate point of where his talent alone puts him.

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@JasonLaCanfora
The Skins actually intend to pay Cousins off his franchise tag this year, unlike a year ago, and by July 15 that's likely to happen...

SF will go with Hoyer and find a young QB thru draft or otherwise. If Cousins is a UFA in 18, sure, Kyle Shanahan loves him, but it's big if

There were no trade talks b/n WSH and SF and likelihood of Cousins trade was always low, but Hoyer signing effectively totally scuttles it..

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LaCanfora has not been a great source for Skins news, but maybe the bad blood has cleared some. That sounds like a rational post

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1166864]From overthecap top qb's and APY

Player APY
Andrew Luck $24,594,000 (3 playoff wins and 1st pick hype)
Drew Brees $24,250,000 (SB win)
Kirk Cousins $23,944,000 (1 and a bit playoff losses)
Joe Flacco $22,133,333 (SB win)
Aaron Rodgers $22,000,000 (SB win 17 playoff appearances)
Russell Wilson $21,900,000 (SB win)
Ben Roethlisberger $21,850,000 (SB wins)
Carson Palmer $21,000,000 (1 playoff win )
Eli Manning $21,000,000 (SB wins)
Philip Rivers $20,812,500 (4 playoff wins)


This is just to say that if KC chooses not to accept an offer that has an APY of around 22M, (i get contract inflation) then I'm not going to fault the FO for not getting him signed. Even at 20M that's probably a legitimate point of where his talent alone puts him.[/quote]

This puts it all into perspective..Hell no don't pay him more than Rogers..he needs to be real..load it with incentives so if he is all that he could make 25 million plus..

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If Rodgers deal was up he would get at least $30M per year. It's all about timing.

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[quote=MTK;1166875]If Rodgers deal was up he would get at least $30M per year. It's all about timing.[/quote]

I agree with that, and KC deserves a good contract, my point was mainly about the FO and if KC chooses not to accept something that gives him more than 20M/apy then that is his choice not necessarily proof of a FO mess up.

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Keim was on the radio about an hour ago. I think he said Kyle and KC have the same agent..... if true, it is a game of chicken, do the Redskins settle for a 2nd/3rd round pick, or play hard ball and try to get a first round pick plus ? SF could hope KC would be a true free agent in 2018....Washington should threaten to franchise KC again if SF low balls them.

Washington cannot let KC go and get nothing

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NFL Network, NFL Media reporter Sam Wyche talked about what he was told by some who work at Redskins Park. Everything Im hearing from the folks in that building is that 'Cousins has made it clear he does not want to be there,'"*said Wyche. He wants to get to San Francisco and play for Kyle Shanahan."

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Here is the issue, all that believe Cousins is going to sign long-term in DC need to realize that it's a pipedream.

It now looks like a trade is a dream too. Dan Snyder is still meddling, no different from 2000. He refuses to trade with Kyle. Even if it insures that his team gets nothing. I really hate this owner. I wish the other owners of the redskins worked together to have him removed. He has destroyed this team.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1166878]Keim was on the radio about an hour ago. I think he said Kyle and KC have the same agent..... if true, it is a game of chicken, do the Redskins settle for a 2nd/3rd round pick, or play hard ball and try to get a first round pick plus ? SF could hope KC would be a true free agent in 2018....Washington should threaten to franchise KC again if SF low balls them.

Washington cannot let KC go and get nothing[/quote]

The Redskins have all of the power. I do not understand why we are worried. He is not going to SF this year or next year, without receiving 2 first round picks and a second. Anybody that says different is foolish.

1. He signs the tag and makes 24 million. If he doesn't sign it, he doesn't get paid.
2. He signs a long term deal by July 15th or he doesn't. If he doesn't he doesn't play and sits on the practice squad like the last QB to leave town. This basically ruins his market value next year.
3. We have a veteran QB that can win 4 - 8 games and is willing to be a bridge QB.
4. If the agent tries to play both sides, they let him know we can tag Kirk next year as well.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1166880]NFL Network, NFL Media reporter Sam Wyche talked about what he was told by some who work at Redskins Park. Everything Im hearing from the folks in that building is that 'Cousins has made it clear he does not want to be there,'"*said Wyche. He wants to get to San Francisco and play for Kyle Shanahan."

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Who the hell is Sam Wyche? He is another nobody that knows nothing about what is going on inside the building.

Did I tell you I spoke to someone at Redskins park last fall? Does that make me a legitimate source?

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I agree, Redskins have more leverage than it seems. I would not rule out the possibility of tagging him at 34M. They may save themselves enough cap space to be capable of it.

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I agree. Even if he plays on the tag this year, do the transition tag next year for 2 1sts.

If a team loses their QB mid season - is a trade of KC possible mid-season? I'd assume he'd have to say okay to work out a LTD with the suitor. Would they have to pay a prorated portion of the franchise tag #? Would we eat all of his salary that year?