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[quote=Lotus;871726]Willie Smith did give up a sack, several pressures, and had some struggles in the run game. Smith proved he was human today.[/quote]
We ran over a 100 yds today with him starting. He couldn't have been that bad. He protected Grossman much better than TW.

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[quote=Landry44;871734]We ran over a 100 yds today with him starting. He couldn't have been that bad. He protected Grossman much better than TW.[/quote]

yeah, like when the DLineman used him as a ragdoll and pushed him right into and on top of grossman. great. he's a backup. our OL couldn't pass pro for ish today.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;871407]If the Redskins can't land Andrew Luck or RG3 in the draft, where do they look then? Free agency? Is Matt Flynn really the answer? Although Flynn is supposed to be the best QB free agent, he's seen limited action. He really hasn't played a lot because he's a back up. Would anyone here approve of Mike Shanahan bringing Jason Campbell back? Campbell, although he has tons of baggage, would be better than Grossman or Beck. Campbell would be a upgrade over both of those bums.[/quote]


I'd rather bet on flynn than campbell. we know campbell is, at best, a slight improvement.

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[quote=Landry44;871734]We ran over a 100 yds today with him starting. He couldn't have been that bad. He protected Grossman much better than TW.[/quote]

Something I've been saying since the beginning of the year and even dating back to last year. As the season goes on and the more chemistry developed by the O-Line the better the running game.

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[quote=Landry44;871701]How did he play terrible today? He only gave up one sack against Trent Cole.[/quote]
If you watched the game you would see that he was being used like a bowling ball. Rex sucks, but he did a great job of getting the ball out, but he sucked more than normal, because he was throwing of his back foot the whole game.

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The iggles have a good pass rush. I thought the o-line wasn't bad, but Rex was hurried a fair bit. One thing about old Rex--mobile he ain't.

Obviously, this isn't the starting o-line we want. Trent is far better than Willie. But the nice thing to see is that the running game is beginning to go, no matter who we have in there. This is key to Shanny's system. Now we need depth (and health... and put down that doobie...) and a few more serious bodies on the o-line and a real QB.

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if we get trent back and sign/draft 1 guy, we'll be decent at OL, sign/draft 2 guys and we'll be good. (RG/RT). bouncing 3 of these "starters" back to depth (and dumping brown) would leave me pretty happy.

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Just curious what people think about getting Stevie Johnson, if the Bills let him walk. I wouldn't mind seeing him along with Hank as our top WRs next season. McCardell would need to control his TD celebration antics, but I think this is minor compared to a diva like DJax.

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[quote=Ruhskins;872708]Just curious what people think about getting Stevie Johnson, if the Bills let him walk. I wouldn't mind seeing him along with Hank as our top WRs next season. McCardell would need to control his TD celebration antics, but I think this is minor compared to a diva like DJax.[/quote]

He seems to suffer from the dropsies far too often for me.

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[quote=Ruhskins;872708]Just curious what people think about getting Stevie Johnson, if the Bills let him walk. I wouldn't mind seeing him along with Hank as our top WRs next season. McCardell would need to control his TD celebration antics, but I think this is minor compared to a diva like DJax.[/quote]

what's the price? he's a good WR, but he's not blackmon or CJ, and I'd prefer a difference maker.

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[quote=Ruhskins;872708]Just curious what people think about getting Stevie Johnson, if the Bills let him walk. I wouldn't mind seeing him along with Hank as our top WRs next season. McCardell would need to control his TD celebration antics, but I think this is minor compared to a diva like DJax.[/quote]

Did you see his second game against Revis? 8 catches and a td. Not many people put up those numbers on Revis. It looked even more impressive when you saw him create separation. He is certainly worth trying to sign but I doubt the Bills let him go.

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Ok, I saw this on another site (Boo) but it was fun to look at. Every year we get excited for the next year and when that year arrives we seem to get let down. So, in normal fashon let the excitement begin again... lol.

[QUOTE]Redskins following Rams' template for rebuilding?
In an effort to take any sliver of factual information and twist it into something unrecognizable, I present to you irrefutable PROOF (!!!) that Mike Shanahan is copying Dick Vermeil's template to rebuilding the Rams.

Vermeil: Took over a team who had not had a winning season in the last 7 years
Shanahan: took over a team that had only two winning seasons in the last 7 years

Vermeil: took over a team that had 3 different head coaches in the last 7 years
Shanahan: took over a team that had 3 different coaches in the last 7 years


Records:
Rams:
Vermeil’s first year: 5-11
Vermeil’s second year: 4-12

Redskins:
Shanahan’s first year: 6-10
Shanahan’s second year: 5-11


Rankings-offense:
Rams
1995: 15th
1996: 27th
(Vermeil takes over)
1997: 21st
1998: 27th

Redskins
2008: 19th
2009: 22nd
(Shanahan takes over)
2010: 18th
2011: 16th


Rankings-defense:
Rams
1995: 12th
1996: 26th
(Vermeil takes over)
1997: 17th
1998: 10th

Redskins
2008: 4th
2009: 10th
(Shanahan takes over)
2010: 31st
2011: 13th


Number of starters brought in during their first three seasons
Vermeil: 9 starters on offense / 8 starters on defense
Shanahan: 8 starters on offense / 7 starters on defense (2 seasons so far)

Quarterbacks:
Vermeil: signed 13 year vet Steve Bono, only on the team for 1 year
Shanahan: signed 12 year vet Donovan McNabb, only on the team for 1 year

Vermeil: tried to make it work with Tony Banks; went in another direction in Year Three
Shanahan: tried to make it work with Rex Grossman; (???) in Year Three

Receivers:
Rams: only one WR was still on the team 2 years after Vermeil took over (Bruce)
Redskins: only one WR still on the team 2 years after Shanahan took over (Moss)


Draft:
Year One: Vermeil had 6 draft picks
Year One: Shanahan had 6 draft picks

Year One: Vermeil drafted a LT in the 1st round (Pace)
Year One: Shanahan drafted a LT in the 1st round (Williams)

Year Two: Vermeil drafted a DE in the 1st round (Winstrom)
Year Two: Shanahan drafted a DE in the 1st round (Kerrigan – converted to 3-4 OLB)

Year Three: Rams had the #6 pick in the draft – spent it on a WR (Holt)
Year Three: Redskins have the #6 pick in the draft – spent it on a (???)


Year in which they tried to get their franchise QB:
Vermeil: Year 3 (free agent, another team’s backup)
Shanahan: ???

Year in which they GOT their franchise QB:
Vermeil: Year 3 (backup who was already on the team)
Shanahan: ???

Get ready for the Super Bowl this upcoming season, gentlemen ...
[/QUOTE]

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After watching the Eagles game, I think I missed that Tyler Polumbus played very well in the run and in the pass. We was on Babin for most of the game and did fairely well.

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[quote=That Guy;871871]I'd rather bet on flynn than campbell. we know campbell is, at best, a slight improvement.[/quote]Flynn seems like a huge money dump though. It seems more preferable to pay for future performance you can value from a guy like Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, Kyle Orton, David Garrard or even Vince Young. I think we're wise enough to know that throwing money at a problem doesn't do anything to solve it.

The thing with Flynn is that once you get him by outbidding more WCO based teams like Seattle and Cleveland, where do you set the expectations? If slight improvement isn't what we're looking for, why did we go after a backup? If you set the expectations at the level of the contract you signed him to, I think he will struggle to meet those expectations.

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[quote=SBXVII;873305]Ok, I saw this on another site (Boo) but it was fun to look at. Every year we get excited for the next year and when that year arrives we seem to get let down. So, in normal fashon let the excitement begin again... lol.[/quote]If our quarterback wins the MVP this upcoming year, there is a good chance of being the 1999 Rams.

Of course, even if we get our Torry Holt in the draft, and already have our Orlando Pace and Grant Withstrom, I'm not sure where we are getting our Isaac Bruce, Marshall Faulk, or Kurt Warner from.