Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=44Deezel;886602]I hear you. I look at the last 10 QBs to win the Super Bowl and wonder if RGIII has similar traits. Maybe, but it's not glaringly obvious to me. I don't get the "lock" sentiment with him. That said, I'd love to have him, but not at an exorbitant cost.[/quote]I think Griffin's physical profile and skill set are strikingly similar to Aaron Rodgers.
Similar build (almost the exact same build), both excellent runners (Griffin is obviously better), both good throwing on the move outside the pocket, both can evade/elude pressure/sacks, both are excellent deep ball passers, both throw with above average velocity.

I think Griffin's playing style is similar to these Super Bowl winning QBs:
Steve Young
Aaron Rodgers
John Elway
Roger Staubach
Brett Favre
Ben Roethlisberger

[quote=skinsfaninok;886601]I disagree with shanny losing his touch but I also disagree that he's safe with another 5 or 6 win season. IMO if we don't win at least 8 games then he should be gone.. Mike shanahan is a guy that u put trust in to be competitive and win games he's not Jim Zorn., heck even he won 8 games one year.[/quote]
I agree.
I think the only ways the team goes below .500 and Mike Shanahan isn't on the hot seat are:
o draft and play a rookie QB

o sign/trade for a QB that plays well above yet have a losing season despite good QB play

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[quote=Brody81;886599][url=http://12thmanrising.com/2012/02/18/peyton-manning-update/]Peyton Manning Update - 12th Man Rising - A Seattle Seahawks Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more.[/url]

Good Read...[/quote]

I enjoyed that article. The writer has a little wishful thinking in the idea that Manning won't get signed before Flynn or other free agents. There will be a team that will take a chance on the Manning name\brand.

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I'm not sure which thread is appropriate for this article, but since Griffin is big part in this article, I thought this one is good spot. I believe McShay made a valid point about not trading up for Griffin -

[QUOTE]“Ultimately, I do think they’re inside that safe zone for where they’re going to be and for the potential of a team wanting to move up to get an elite player,” McShay says. “But also, if you’re sitting there at six, maybe they want to get that elite player. … They did draft very well last year. But even if they don’t get the quarterback, or if they address it in free agency, to me, nailing the draft again this year is going to be huge for not just the short-term, but more importantly, the long-term of this organization. And if they get a good deal to move back, they should do it, or if not, you sit there, you get a Morris Claiborne, who’s a shut-down corner, who can help take their defense to the next level"[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/mcshay-redskins-have-options-in-nfl-draft/2012/02/17/gIQA1mquJR_blog.html]McShay: Redskins have options in NFL draft - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=biffle;886491]I live in New England and listen to a lot of talk radio and we have late night sports talk on TV on Sundays. I can tell you the people (beat reporters, ex-players, etc) who cover and comment on the team feel that the team believes in Hoyer to a huge degree. Like they think they're sitting on a major asset, way better than Cassel was. And this isn't just "the coaches say he's good" talk, or a smokescreen, they are talking about a palpable sense they get from everywhere in the organization about Hoyer.

There is talk now that they are considering putting the first round tender on him. If you think about what that means, it means they are thinking it might not be worth risking losing him for "only" a 2nd round pick. And this is a guy who can walk for nothing in a year. So, essentially they are debating whether one year of Hoyer as a back-up is worth more than a 2nd round pick.

Just FWIW.[/quote]

I think the guy needs to put something on film besides pre season games. If NE does that then good for them. No one is taking that bait.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

I just talked to a friend of mine who knows a couple people around Redskins park, and he IS saying that if he were a betting man, Kyle Orton will be the starter for the redskins come season start, and that R. Tannehill will be sitting behind him learning the WCO ropes. He didnt know, however, if we planned on trading down, or if we nab him with pick #6, or trade up from the second round to nab him, maybe somewhere in the mid 20's.

*currently banging head into wall repeatedly*

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=Mechanix544;886630]I just talked to a friend of mine who knows a couple people around Redskins park, and he IS saying that if he were a betting man, Kyle Orton will be the starter for the redskins come season start, and that R. Tannehill will be sitting behind him learning the WCO ropes. He didnt know, however, if we planned on trading down, or if we nab him with pick #6, or trade up from the second round to nab him, maybe somewhere in the mid 20's.

*currently banging head into wall repeatedly*[/quote]

I'd have no problem with that myself.

I'd lean toward the plan being taking BPA at 6, and trading back into the first to take RT.

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My question is: Does anyone think we will try and trade up to get Luck? What would you offer for him?

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[quote=Mattyk;886632]I'd have no problem with that myself.

I'd lean toward the plan being taking BPA at 6, and trading back into the first to take RT.[/quote]Unless you can get a good price to trade up into the top three, I think this is probably the best way to play it.

I have a bunch of guys ranked ahead of Tannehill who were more accomplished college players, but I'd understand those who prefer what RT does well. His skill set is fairly unique. He doesn't really fit what we currently do, but we could become a Ryan Tannehill offense with very little tweaking of the offense. It would just require drastically different gameplanning with pretty much the same playsheet.

The infrastructure to be a good offense with Tannehill is already in place.

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My offseason plan A: (offense)

Re-Sign Fred Davis (Franchise W/E)

Sign Ben Grubbs, Dwayne Bowe and possibly Eddie Royal

Send #6 pick, 2nd or 3rd rounder, and 2013 1st rounder to St. Louis or Minnesota

Draft RGIII

Use 4th rounder on Chris Rainey (plays slot and replace Banks)

If you can get Jabar Gaffney for Jeremy Jarmon Maybe Moss is worth a 4th or 5th rounder. (Wishful thinking.)

Use 2nd 4th on ROT

Our opening day offense would be:

QB RGIII
RB Helu
FB Young
WR Bowe
WR Hank
WR Gaffney
WR Royal
TE Davis
TE Cooley
LT Williams
LG Grubbs
C Lichtensteiger/Montgomery
RG Chester
RT Brown/Smith/Rookie

I can live with that.

Right now I'd want PM, RGIII, Luck, Flynn all ahead of orton

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886644]Right now I'd want PM, RGIII, Luck, Flynn all ahead of orton[/quote]i agree with the exception of peyton manning

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886644]Right now I'd want PM, RGIII, Luck, Flynn all ahead of orton[/quote]

Would you want them in that order? Cause I'd want luck before all others especially manning at this point.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;886640]My question is: Does anyone think we will try and trade up to get Luck? What would you offer for him?[/quote]

I think if we did go for luck (who is the only player I'd trade up for) I'd guess that we'd have to swap 2012 firsts, give them our second, fourth, 2013 first and second. Probably more...

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this has been stated by many before and by myself. all the rumors are ridiculous, the skins have to search and have a open mind on all of the FA's QB's and the ones in the draft. there are many different ways for us to get a QB. IMO we have to sign a FA QB no matter what we do, just in case we cant get the QB we want in the draft. Right now any of the FA QB's that have been talked about, it would better than what we had last year, I would take Orton, Flynn, Manning over Grossman or Beck.

It boils down to who they want, it is way too early for all these rumors about the draft, a lot can happen between now and then. i just wish the colts would release manning so i can stop hearing about him.

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I would like either PM or RGIII, noone else. I don't want us missing out on a top shelf QB being too carefull.

If we take PM I hope we trade down and do the following...

QB: PM, Tannehill
HB: Helu, Royster, Hightower, James
FB: Young
WR: Hank, Colston, Royal, Broyles, Gaffney, Austin, Paul, Robinson
TE: Davis, Cooley, Paulsen
LT: T.Williams/ Polumbus
LG: Grubbs
C: Lichtensteiger/Montgomery
RG: Chester
RT: M.Adams/ Smith/ Brown

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[quote=NC_Skins;884092]
[B][U]Package B:[/U][/B]
1) Peyton Manning (while using 3rd rounder to draft Kirk Cousins)
2) Reily Reiff -OT (1st)
3) Alfonso Denard-CB (2nd)
4) Lucas Nix -OG (4th)

5) Manti Te'o - ILB (2013 1st)
6) Orhian Johnson -SS (2013 4th)
[/quote]Peyton Manning

My Redskins draft board:

Round 1-(trade down) Riley Reiff, Jonathan Martin, David Decastro,Ryan Tannehill,
Round 2-Mark Baron, Zerbie Sanders, Mike Adams, Cordy Glenn, Nick Foles
Round 3-Brandon Weeden, Leonard Johnson, Harrison Smith, Josh Norman, Cyrus Gray
Round 4-Alameda Ta'aamu, Brandon Brooks, Devier Posey, Lardarius Green, Russell Wilson
Round 4-Kirk Cousins (although not a fan), Brock Osoweiler, Chris Rainey, Terrance Ganaway
Round 5 and BPA

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[QUOTE=mbedner3420;886651]I think if we did go for luck (who is the only player I'd trade up for) I'd guess that we'd have to swap 2012 firsts, give them our second, fourth, 2013 first and second. Probably more...[/QUOTE]

So you would be for giving up at least 5 picks for Andrew Luck but against giving 3 (essentially 2 because we are swapping 1st rounders) for Robert Griffin III?

[QUOTE=mbedner3420;886649]Would you want them in that order? Cause I'd want luck before all others especially manning at this point.[/QUOTE]

In order
LUCK
RG OR MANNING
THEN FLYNN

I'm not so sure the colts won't take Griffin, think about it look at what cam did in Carolina and how much of an impact an athletic big arm accurate qb can bring to any team. Andrew luck is a damn good qb but he'll need a strong oline to really be Manning like. IMO if I'm the colts I'd really discuss taking RG3

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The more I hear of Hoyer, the more interested I get. Maybe get him for a 3rd this year and a 4th next year?

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[QUOTE=NM Redskin;886664]The more I hear of Hoyer, the more interested I get. Maybe get him for a 3rd this year and a 4th next year?[/QUOTE]

Why? Hoyer is no different than Flynn as far as limited play goes, then to give 2 picks away for him? No way on earth.

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[quote=NM Redskin;886664]The more I hear of Hoyer, the more interested I get. Maybe get him for a 3rd this year and a 4th next year?[/quote]

You must be joking... I would never pay that much for a undrafted 3rd string qb who has only thrown for 286 in 3 years

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[quote=NM Redskin;886664]The more I hear of Hoyer, the more interested I get. Maybe get him for a 3rd this year and a 4th next year?[/quote]

I was thinking our extra 4th this year and 5th next year (theirs) and maybe Armstrong, as he is a deep threat, which they need. That's assuming we are giving up on AA.

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I feel like if you talk to five different people at Redskin Park right now, you'll get five different answers on what we'll do at QB

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=biffle;886669]I was thinking our extra 4th this year and 5th next year (theirs) and maybe Armstrong, as he is a deep threat, which they need. That's assuming we are giving up on AA.[/quote]

i would do this in a heartbeat, and then try to trade back in 1st to get another pick and still draft a QB in 2nd or 3rd round.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;886670]I feel like if you talk to five different people at Redskin Park right now, you'll get five different answers on what we'll do at QB[/QUOTE]

In the end do you think we make a play on Luck or RGIII?

Flynn showed signs

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;886665]Why? Hoyer is no different than Flynn as far as limited play goes, then to give 2 picks away for him? No way on earth.[/quote]

Wow because Flynn was what a 7th rounder, and hasn't proved anything either. it all depends on who the coaching staff like better IMO. If i had my choice i would give up the 2 picks for Hoyer over Flynn.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886673]Flynn showed signs[/quote]

In one regular season game he did.

[QUOTE=redskins5044;886674]Wow because Flynn was what a 7th rounder, and hasn't proved anything either. it all depends on who the coaching staff like better IMO. If i had my choice i would give up the 2 picks for Hoyer over Flynn.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't give up picks for either

Let's just sign Manning and draft RGIII... Problems solved!

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[quote=SmootSmack;886670]I feel like if you talk to five different people at Redskin Park right now, you'll get five different answers on what we'll do at QB[/quote]

probably, but only Mike and Kyle will pick the QB and they probably arent talking to anyone about it with any truth.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886670]I feel like if you talk to five different people at Redskin Park right now, you'll get five different answers on what we'll do at QB[/quote]

So, you're saying we need to find the sixth guy....

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886676]I wouldn't give up picks for either[/quote]

So u want to give up about 5 or 6 high draft picks for a QB makes total sense.

Rg3 is on another level than Brian hoyer not even close

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886682]Rg3 is on another level than Brian hoyer not even close[/quote]

who knows both un-proven. no QB is a 100% lock. i would love to have RG3 but not willing to give up all those high draft picks to move up. if we were in a better position to draft him without trading, but we can thank the wins over the Giants and seahawks late in season for that.

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[quote=redskins5044;886678]probably, but only Mike and Kyle will pick the QB and they probably arent talking to anyone about it with any truth.[/quote]

And if you ask them on five different days you'll get five different answers

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[quote=SmootSmack;886684]And if you ask them on five different days you'll get five different answers[/quote]

yep, but every coach in the nfl would do that, its the time of year for smoke screens about what players your are interested in. but in there minds they probably have the scenarios and QB's they want.

[QUOTE=redskins5044;886685]yep, but every coach in the nfl would do that, its the time of year for smoke screens about what players your are interested in.[/QUOTE]

I wanna know just how much we are interested in Manning