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Is there anyone else on this board that cares to explain how and why widespread vaccination can stop mutations and new strains ? My head hurts.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1287872]It's both probably.

The article says we can keep viruses "in check" via vaccination; it does not say "widespread vaccination will stop the variants and mutations."

There's a big difference there.[/QUOTE]


“The slower the vaccinations happen the higher chance of mutations in the virus and new strains”

How in the hell can you read it, quote it, and tell ke it doesn’t say that”? Wow. Just wow.

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[quote=punch it in;1287873]Quoting my own quote here Chief. Read the very last part in quotations than tell me again it doesn’t say widespread vaccination will help against mutations and new strains. Please.[/quote]

That's not the article you referenced above, but I'll continue to play.

This article - [url]https://www.nationaljewish.org/patie...a-virus-mutate[/url] - does say new strains [I]can[/I] be stopped by widespread vaccination.

However, I tend to lean towards the conclusion provided by the infectious disease expert - that vaccinations can keep viruses "in check", rather than the conclusion provided by the pulmonary and critical care physician - that vaccinations can be "stopped" by widespread vaccination. Ultimately he's saying that vaccinations will eradicate the virus, which I have not seen any infectious disease expert imply thus far.

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I'm just going to end this discussion right here because it's getting old, and I honestly think that maybe we are missing each other's points in a lot of ways. You can keep going if you want.

My original MAIN point with all of this goes along the lines of the old saying: "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar."

All this badgering people, shaming, belittling, etc. for not getting the vaccine is not productive. It's your way, and it's the method obviously used by others on this forum and elsewhere. But it isn't helpful. Instead, maybe you should try a little encouragement if you want to get your point across, or motivate people to get the vaccine.

"An effective science defender will listen to a person’s reasons for not masking or vaccinating and share counterevidence without questioning their competence, good will or intelligence." - Scientific American

I was vaccine hesitant at first, but I am now vaccinated - have been since April. My wife is vaccinated. My one eligible kid is vaccinated. My other kid will be eligible in a few months, and she will also be vaccinated. Why, because while I understand there are potential risks, the benefits (according to the available science) seem to outweigh the risks. I educated myself and made a decision because it seemed like the best option. I didn't make the decision because someone pressured me to, or told me I was "dumb".

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Would have guessed you were vaccinated. Don’t remember calling u dumb. Just misinformed. This was a simple argument about whether or not widespread vaccination could stop mutations and new strains.

It started for me when you said “get vaccinated if you want”. I thought that sounded a little counter productive or lazy in ways. When it comes to life or death use all means necessary to get shots in arms. Even if thst means using fear tactics or name calling. Its just a better alternative to the damn way of life this virus has Created. My own wife was hesitant. I understand it. I felt guinea piggish before my appointment. But i guess at the end of the day id rather have two heads than die. My daughter is 14 and was getting most of her information or misinformation from tik tok and shit like that. She got her first dose last week and im happy about that since school starts in a month. She will have received her second dose by than. Have a nice day Chief.

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[quote=punch it in;1287875]Is there anyone else on this board that cares to explain how and why widespread vaccination can stop mutations and new strains ? My head hurts.[/quote]

Hey, I asked to lock this thread and leave COVID to the Parking Lot and Politics threads. Personally, the sports side of this is the only thing that should be discussed in this one, and to that end, whether the 20% of the Pro Football players that don't want to get vaccinated do or do not get the jab, it isn't going to impact the global mutation of the virus.

The NFL policies are fairly random, punitive and not really meant to affect global mutation rate.

Fairly random because why should vaccination affect testing. Simply put, that is an incentive that actually can lead to a higher spread within an infected facility.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1287884]Hey, I asked to lock this thread and leave COVID to the Parking Lot and Politics threads. Personally, the sports side of this is the only thing that should be discussed in this one, and to that end, whether the 20% of the Pro Football players that don't want to get vaccinated do or do not get the jab, it isn't going to impact the global mutation of the virus.

The NFL policies are fairly random, punitive and not really meant to affect global mutation rate.

Fairly random because why should vaccination affect testing. Simply put, that is an incentive that actually can lead to a higher spread within an infected facility.[/QUOTE]


20 percent of a small number of people isn’t going to change anything provided that that small number of unvaccinated nfl players isn’t helping to spread the virus in clubs, gyms, locker rooms, etc etc. NFL players are rock stars man. Everyone wants to be around them. Remember C Red this started with one individual. That one individual sure affected the global mutation rate.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1287884]Hey, I asked to lock this thread and leave COVID to the Parking Lot and Politics threads. Personally, the sports side of this is the only thing that should be discussed in this one, and to that end, whether the 20% of the Pro Football players that don't want to get vaccinated do or do not get the jab, it isn't going to impact the global mutation of the virus.

The NFL policies are fairly random, punitive and not really meant to affect global mutation rate.

Fairly random because why should vaccination affect testing. Simply put, that is an incentive that actually can lead to a higher spread within an infected facility.[/quote]

Yeah, I feel bad for starting this. Meant for this to be a place where we can discuss covid and its' impact on sports, the NFL specifically.

I apologize to everyone, this has gone off the rails. I only speak for myself when I say I don't know jack about science or the vaccine, only that I trust the people who have chosen careers in that field to help save lives.

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[quote=mooby;1287887]Yeah, I feel bad for starting this. Meant for this to be a place where we can discuss covid and its' impact on sports, the NFL specifically.

I apologize to everyone, this has gone off the rails. I only speak for myself when I say I don't know jack about science or the vaccine, only that I trust the people who have chosen careers in that field to help save lives.[/quote]

I've said this many times: In a sport where players make public health decisions on a daily basis, it is somewhat odd to hear this "personal choice" argument when it comes to the vaccine. I'm sure if Landon Collins went public and said that he's not seeking treatment for his torn ACL due to personal choice, fans would be up in arms about it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1287884]Hey, I asked to lock this thread and leave COVID to the Parking Lot and Politics threads. Personally, the sports side of this is the only thing that should be discussed in this one, and to that end, whether the 20% of the Pro Football players that don't want to get vaccinated do or do not get the jab, it isn't going to impact the global mutation of the virus.

The NFL policies are fairly random, punitive and not really meant to affect global mutation rate.

Fairly random because why should vaccination affect testing. Simply put, that is an incentive that actually can lead to a higher spread within an infected facility.[/quote]

Funny you say this. My employer recently enacted a similar policy. Proof of vaccine or daily testing. I have no problem showing proof of vaccination but if you are going to allow me to have daily testing so I know whether or not I am bringing home the virus to a family member that lives with us but is not eligible for vaccine then I am going that route, but it is just as random as the NFL policy.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1287887]Yeah, I feel bad for starting this. Meant for this to be a place where we can discuss covid and its' impact on sports, the NFL specifically.

I apologize to everyone, this has gone off the rails. I only speak for myself when I say I don't know jack about science or the vaccine, only that I trust the people who have chosen careers in that field to help save lives.[/QUOTE]


I thought it was a healthy slightly edgy conversation. Lol.
I don’t know shit either, I just regurgitate what those people you speak of tell me.

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[quote=punch it in;1287875]Is there anyone else on this board that cares to explain how and why widespread vaccination can stop mutations and new strains ? My head hurts.[/quote]

Widespread vaccination and mask use reduces the rate of infection. The more infections, the higher the chance the virus mutates, and variants develop. So reducing infection is essential to reduce the chance of variants. Pretty simple concept actually.

Problem is that we‘re not alone in the world. So high infection rates anywhere encourage variant development. And a new variant can spread quickly as we‘ve seen with delta.

One more thing. The “original” virus (alpha) is not likely to be hosted (carried) by vaccinated people, so they were not likely to spread the virus. Not so for Delta. It has a potentially high viral load even among the vaccinated, therefore masking and distancing is again recommended even for fully vaccinated to help limit the spread.

Sorry about the length of my post, but the short first paragraph answered your question.

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[QUOTE=SCRedskinsFan;1287895]Widespread vaccination and mask use reduces the rate of infection. The more infections, the higher the chance the virus mutates, and variants develop. So reducing infection is essential to reduce the chance of variants. Pretty simple concept actually.

Problem is that we‘re not alone in the world. So high infection rates anywhere encourage variant development. And a new variant can spread quickly as we‘ve seen with delta.

One more thing. The “original” virus (alpha) is not likely to be hosted (carried) by vaccinated people, so they were not likely to spread the virus. Not so for Delta. It has a potentially high viral load even among the vaccinated, therefore masking and distancing is again recommended even for fully vaccinated to help limit the spread.

Sorry about the length of my post, but the short first paragraph answered your question.[/QUOTE]


The rest of the world is definitely an issue. Also Joe Namath should not be in the hall of fame. Just wanted to add some sports to my coronavirus comment.

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Can't get to herd immunity if we have two herds.

Not sure who I heard that from recently, it's a simple but effective description of what we're facing.

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[quote=punch it in;1287899]The rest of the world is definitely an issue. Also Joe Namath should not be in the hall of fame. Just wanted to add some sports to my coronavirus comment.[/quote]

We have plenty of vaccine and only 50% vaccinated. We need to look at ourselves before blaming the rest of the world.

And to add sports content, Joe Namath should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. I watched that game live and he delivered the impossible. Nobody, and I mean nobody except maybe him thought they had a chance,,,