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[quote=skinsfaninok;865076][url=http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/03/rgiiis-heisman-stock-keeps-rising-in-win-over-texas/]RGIII’s Heisman stock keeps rising in win over Texas | CollegeFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I don't know that much about Baylor. What kind of system do they run? We he be a decent fit here? It sounds like he played lights out this weekend though. 45 TD's this year? WOW.

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[quote=SkinzWin;865088]I don't know that much about Baylor. What kind of system do they run? We he be a decent fit here? It sounds like he played lights out this weekend though. 45 TD's this year? WOW.[/quote]

They run a spread similar to the old Texas Tech style difference is RGIII is way more accurate then Kingsbury etc. and has the rocket arm and pocket presence to make all the NFL throws while possessing top QB speed (I am guessing 4.4-4.6 range).

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[quote=skinsfaninok;865074]Landry Jones will come back to school next year and he should, he's not ready for the NFL yet..[/quote]

Landry Jones sucks to me.

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[quote=Mechanix544;864906]Like I said, the more I watch Barkley play, the more confident I am that he is going to be a franchise record setting type of guy.

[B]I might be in the minority on here saying this, but if we have to move UP to get him, I would do it. [/B]I would try to keep my second rounder, not sure if that is feasible, but everything else, as well as everyONE else is fair game. (Other than our LT). If no other option presents itself, then I would give our 2nd to move up in front of some qb hungry teams to snag Barkley.[/quote]

I agree with you. I think I've seen enough of the college QB's to draw clear distinctions between them in my mind. What I think I see is two players, Luck and Barkley, who are ready to be very effective NFL starters.

To me, RGII stands alone as the third ranked prospect and the only other First Rounder. Only his relative lack of size bothers me a little.

I was high on Landry Jones but he has fallen into the category of "The Rest of Them", IMO.

I think that these QB's have no major red flags but need time to develop. They could all, in time, be good in the NFL under the right circumstances: Jones, Tannehill, Cousins. They're 2nd or 3rd round picks, IMO.

I really like these two but they have red flags: Moore (probably too small) and Weeden (too old at 28). Fourth round at best, IMO.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;865103]I agree with you. I think I've seen enough of the college QB's to draw clear distinctions between them in my mind. What I think I see is two players, Luck and Barkley, who are ready to be very effective NFL starters.

To me, RGII stands alone as the third ranked prospect and the only other First Rounder. Only his relative lack of size bothers me a little.

I was high on Landry Jones but he has fallen into the category of "The Rest of Them", IMO.

I think that these QB's have no major red flags but need time to develop. They could all, in time, be good in the NFL under the right circumstances: Jones, Tannehill, Cousins. They're 2nd or 3rd round picks, IMO.

I really like these two but they have red flags: Moore (probably too small) and Weeden (too old at 28). Fourth round at best, IMO.[/quote]There's a lot of other guys in this class who would be first rounders in any other year, but if we can't get to the top of the draft for Luck, Barkley, or Griffin, I think the Redskins would be smart to leverage the strength of the QBs in the class and target their guy at the top of round 2. It's rare that you'll have your pick of franchise caliber quarterbacks in the second round, but that's the case this year.

I think Tannehill will be there, as will Cousins, Foles, Kellen Moore. Even if the Redskins only think one or two of those guys will turn into NFL starters, they can play the draft through trades and still get their guy.

I think you have to do anything reasonable to get Barkley/Griffin as long as they are on the board. But I think Seattle is in a better spot to go up for them and we may not pick ahead of Cleveland by the end of the year. If Cleveland gets Barkley and Seattle gets Griffin, then the Redskins should look at the four players above.

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Like I said if Barkley, Luck, and RGIII are off the board which could be the case, Tannenhill or Foles are my next options with Tannenhill getting the higher nod. If that does happen and when we pick Morris Claiborne or Trent Richardson are on the board we would be foolish to pass on one of them. Of course Trent will depend on what we do with Hightower and if Helu shows enough to make the FO comfortable with him as the feature back and even then I would still look at Richardson. (Think Panthers in 2008.) I know Shanny doesn't take RBs in the first round but Richardson is a different kind of animal.

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[quote=GTripp0012;865111][B]There's a lot of other guys in this class who would be first rounders in any other year, but if we can't get to the top of the draft for Luck, Barkley, or Griffin, I think the Redskins would be smart to leverage the strength of the QBs in the class and target their guy at the top of round 2.[/B] It's rare that you'll have your pick of franchise caliber quarterbacks in the second round, but that's the case this year.

I think Tannehill will be there, as will Cousins, Foles, Kellen Moore. Even if the Redskins only think one or two of those guys will turn into NFL starters, they can play the draft through trades and still get their guy.

I think you have to do anything reasonable to get Barkley/Griffin as long as they are on the board. But I think Seattle is in a better spot to go up for them and we may not pick ahead of Cleveland by the end of the year. If Cleveland gets Barkley and Seattle gets Griffin, then the Redskins should look at the four players above.[/quote]

That makes a lot of sense to me. I have little doubt that we're going to get a very good player in Round 1 but he may not be a QB. If and only if we can't do something to get Barkley, I'd even have no problem with moving down in the first round if RGIII doesn't fall to us, taking someone like DeCastro, and then trading up in the second to get a QB.

Frankly, I don't rate RGIII as highly as I rate Barkley, so I wouldn't like to see the Skins give up a lot to move up and draft him.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;865125]That makes a lot of sense to me. I have little doubt that we're going to get a very good player in Round 1 but he may not be a QB. If and only if we can't do something to get Barkley, I'd even have no problem with moving down in the first round if RGIII doesn't fall to us, taking someone like DeCastro, and then trading up in the second to get a QB.

Frankly, I don't rate RGIII as highly as I rate Barkley, so I wouldn't like to see the Skins give up a lot to move up and draft him.[/quote]

The Redskins need a franchise QB they haven't had since Joey T., I would do whatever it takes to get Barkley since Luck will be gone. Other teams are interested in him as well, the skins need him badly.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;865125]That makes a lot of sense to me. I have little doubt that we're going to get a very good player in Round 1 but he may not be a QB. If and only if we can't do something to get Barkley, I'd even have no problem with moving down in the first round if RGIII doesn't fall to us, taking someone like DeCastro, and then trading up in the second to get a QB.

Frankly, I don't rate RGIII as highly as I rate Barkley, so I wouldn't like to see the Skins give up a lot to move up and draft him.[/quote]My only concern with Barkley is this: what if the same limitations that are causing many draft experts to rate Kellen Moore between the 5th round and undrafted as a prospect are being ignored in the assessment of Barkley? It's clear Barkley's been coached up at USC (if not overcoached), and he has almost magical footwork, but I get a completely different picture of Barkley when I analyze him in his losses vs. his wins.

The big question for Barkley comes if he gets drafted to a losing team that doesn't know how to develop a quarterback: if he struggles in year one, I'm not sure where you go from there. When you have a very undersized, polished NFL-ready passer, he has to come out and succeed right away or it's tough to have confidence in the guy.

I think Barkley can absolutely lead a team to the playoffs next year. He's got first overall type quarterback skills. My concern level for him would skyrocket if he came out early at USC and then got exposed in the NFL. I'm not sure how he would be able to overcome a talent deficiency.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;865125]That makes a lot of sense to me. I have little doubt that we're going to get a very good player in Round 1 but he may not be a QB. If and only if we can't do something to get Barkley, I'd even have no problem with moving down in the first round if RGIII doesn't fall to us, taking someone like DeCastro, and then trading up in the second to get a QB.

Frankly, I don't rate RGIII as highly as I rate Barkley, so I wouldn't like to see the Skins give up a lot to move up and draft him.[/quote]
RG3 just as good as Barkley if not better.

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[quote=Landry44;865365]RG3 just as good as Barkley if not better.[/quote]

The only way to find out is when they both make it to the pro's till then it's a mute point.

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[quote=GTripp0012;865130]
I think Barkley can absolutely lead a team to the playoffs next year. He's got first overall type quarterback skills. My concern level for him would skyrocket if he came out early at USC and then got exposed in the NFL. [B]I'm not sure how he would be able to overcome a talent deficiency.[/B][/quote]

Watching every one of his games for three seasons, I agree with you. Barkley will absolutely shine if he's got the talent around him. Earlier this season, his only consistent weapon was Robert Woods... Bark struggled when defenses figured out how to take everyone else away. Once the younger guys started getting it, you saw what happened to the entire offense.

Having said that, this may show that Matt has the fortitude to work through struggle. Even if he starts out badly, due to a dearth of talent, if the players grow around him... he'll start looking like a mini Aaron Rodgers.

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Looks like Weeden vs Luck in the Fiesta Bowl.

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As of tonight (and wildly subject to change) we have the 4th pick based on strength of schedule tiebreaker and with Indy, Minnesota and St. Louis ahead of us we shouldn't have an issue getting our QB. I highly doubt 2 teams (Cleveland & Seattle) both mortgaging their futures to draft QB. QB won't go 1-2-3 in the draft. With the puff puff brothers suspended for the year we will be lucky to sniff another win this year so 4-12/5-11 should keep us in the top 5-8 picks.

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[quote=Paintrain;865516]As of tonight (and wildly subject to change) we have the 4th pick based on strength of schedule tiebreaker and with Indy, Minnesota and St. Louis ahead of us we shouldn't have an issue getting our QB. I highly doubt 2 teams (Cleveland & Seattle) both mortgaging their futures to draft QB. QB won't go 1-2-3 in the draft. With the puff puff brothers suspended for the year we will be lucky to sniff another win this year so 4-12/5-11 should keep us in the top 5-8 picks.[/quote]

And if Minnesota wins 2 more games including the one against us I believe we would have the 3rd pick.