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[quote=calia;1342319]Shit - Armani Rodgers busted his Achilles. Was intrigued by his potential.

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Damn, that sucks. Feels like it's destined for him to never really actually play for us.

Unless Thomas is better after more time from his injury, not very excited about the TE room at all.

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Really sucks about Rodgers, he seems to have some nice potential.

If they were really concerned about Logan Thomas I think they would have made a move to upgrade TE. I think they're counting on him bouncing back strong.

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NO!! Rogers was my breakout player this year, I'm pissed!!!

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[quote=calia;1342319]Shit - Armani Rodgers busted his Achilles. Was intrigued by his potential.


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That sucks...just tough luck for him. He missed six games due to injury last year and it looks like he'll miss the entire 2023 season.

He was 4th on the depth chart though. Maybe he was going to break out - maybe not. With regard to his production thus far though (5 total receptions), it won't be too hard to replace him. I don't really see this as a significant blow.

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Kazmeir Allen - sounds like an exciting young player. Still early, but depending on how he progresses, he could potentially makes Curtis Samuel a cap casualty. Would be over $10mil cap savings if CS is released after 6/1.

[url]https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/27/washington-commanders-nfl-draft-ron-rivera-continues-to-single-out-undrafted-rookie-wr-ucla-kazmeir-allen/[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1342427]Kazmeir Allen - sounds like an exciting young player. Still early, but depending on how he progresses, he could potentially makes Curtis Samuel a cap casualty. Would be over $10mil cap savings if CS is released after 6/1.

[url]https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/27/washington-commanders-nfl-draft-ron-rivera-continues-to-single-out-undrafted-rookie-wr-ucla-kazmeir-allen/[/url][/quote]

Yup, i wouldn’t cut Curtis now but Allen just seems like that typical Chiefs gadget player. And my goodness, get Mline off any kick returns and just off the team

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[URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37750576/free-agent-rb-leveon-bell-says-smoked-marijuana-games"]Le'Veon Bell says he liked to get high before games.[/URL]

I think the real takeaway here is the fact that head coaches make a big difference. Lotta people shit on Tomlin because they haven't been contenders in years but the reality is when your head coach is a guy like Adam Gase he makes Tomlin look like Belichick. If a player went from an All-Pro under Tomlin to a JAG under Gase safe to take him at his word that head coaches matter.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1342427]Kazmeir Allen - sounds like an exciting young player. [B]Still early, but depending on how he progresses, he could potentially makes Curtis Samuel a cap casualty.[/B] Would be over $10mil cap savings if CS is released after 6/1.

[url]https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/27/washington-commanders-nfl-draft-ron-rivera-continues-to-single-out-undrafted-rookie-wr-ucla-kazmeir-allen/[/url][/quote]

I'm eager to see what Allen can do but I think you're getting a little carried away to think he can beat out Curtis Samuel. To me, having a healthy Curtis Samuel in a contract year (in other words, fully capable and highly motivated) is a very good thing for Commanders fans.

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I'm not sure I would say I'm [I]getting carried away[/I]. I did say it's still early and that it would depend on how he progresses.

I don't think it's out of the question though. If K Allen shows enough to where they think he can offer the same production (or more) than what they have been able to squeeze out of the oft-injured Curtis Samuel, he could definitely become a cap casualty. That's a lot of dough that could be used for extending someone else (Young, Sweat, Curl, Fuller, Gibson, Reaves...).

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1342427]Kazmeir Allen - sounds like an exciting young player. Still early, but depending on how he progresses, he could potentially makes Curtis Samuel a cap casualty. Would be over $10mil cap savings if CS is released after 6/1.

[url]https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/27/washington-commanders-nfl-draft-ron-rivera-continues-to-single-out-undrafted-rookie-wr-ucla-kazmeir-allen/[/url][/quote]

I cant see Curtis as a cap casualty this season.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1342446]I cant see Curtis as a cap casualty this season.[/quote]

You're probably right. It's not likely. And FWIW, I'd rather see a healthy CS ballin' out in 2023 anyway. Maybe he can remain healthy and take another step forward - build some rapport with Sam, while K Allen brings something to the return game that we haven't had in a while...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1342450]You're probably right. It's not likely. And FWIW, I'd rather see a healthy CS ballin' out in 2023 anyway. Maybe he can remain healthy and take another step forward - build some rapport with Sam, while K Allen brings something to the return game that we haven't had in a while...[/quote]

I'm all in for that! If Allen can bring more to the table GREAT!

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Looked at Nick Gates' snaps during last year's week 14 game against the Eagles.
He looked rather small, won't out physical anybody, but seems to have good vision, decent hand placement and footwork.
None of his movement look really sharp nor fast, but he seems to fit the "hat on a hat" philosophy, most of the time he'll be in front of his guy and do just enough.

LG #65
Couple of bad plays:
Completely beaten by a swim move
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And here a slow to spot the blitzing safety, still does enough to avoid the sack, Jones runs back to the LoS
[IMG]https://media3.giphy.com/media/RQxRH2eGQvRDKvL0g1/giphy.gif[/IMG]


Couple of good plays:
Handles a stunt well, he did for most of the game, often looking to stay active and help the LT
[IMG]https://media4.giphy.com/media/d9Tgb65529SxuNeBzU/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Kinda of his most physical play of the game, and a good show of what he is, a decent guy that'll do enough
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Still would have loved a couple of clear cut updates to feel more confortable about our OL, but depending on how the rookies perform, maybe they did do enough to have a functioning unit.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1342504]Looked at Nick Gates' snaps during last year's week 14 game against the Eagles.
He looked rather small, won't out physical anybody, but seems to have good vision, decent hand placement and footwork.
None of his movement look really sharp nor fast, but he seems to fit the "hat on a hat" philosophy, most of the time he'll be in front of his guy and do just enough.

LG #65
Couple of bad plays:
Completely beaten by a swim move
[IMG]https://media0.giphy.com/media/rc4V6G2TqbYEEkurcs/giphy.gif[/IMG]

And here a slow to spot the blitzing safety, still does enough to avoid the sack, Jones runs back to the LoS
[IMG]https://media3.giphy.com/media/RQxRH2eGQvRDKvL0g1/giphy.gif[/IMG]


Couple of good plays:
Handles a stunt well, he did for most of the game, often looking to stay active and help the LT
[IMG]https://media4.giphy.com/media/d9Tgb65529SxuNeBzU/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Kinda of his most physical play of the game, and a good show of what he is, a decent guy that'll do enough
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Still would have loved a couple of clear cut updates to feel more confortable about our OL, but depending on how the rookies perform, maybe they did do enough to have a functioning unit.[/quote]

Gates wasn't completely recovered from his broken leg last season. He claims that he is fully recovered and fit now. So, if you were to look at his film of him before his severe injury, as I did, I think you would see a much better player. If he can come all the way back from his injury, we may have a very good starting center. That is, maybe... it's possible...hopefully, if we get lucky...keep your fingers crossed..say a little prayer...order a vial of miracle spring water from a T.V. evangelist.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1342510]Gates wasn't completely recovered from his broken leg last season. He claims that he is fully recovered and fit now. So, if you were to look at his film of him before his severe injury, as I did, I think you would see a much better player. If he can come all the way back from his injury, we may have a very good starting center. That is, maybe... it's possible...hopefully, if we get lucky...keep your fingers crossed..say a little prayer...order a vial of miracle spring water from a T.V. evangelist.[/quote]

Yeah I actually hesitated between looking at his before injury film or the most recent one. I opted for the later but thanks for the insight, I'll check a before injury game too.

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The oline is the X factor. Every depth chart I look at is different. I am definitely worried about it, but unlike Wentz and Heineken … Howell uses his wheels. Plus we have an NFL caliber OC. So those two things take the edge off.

Our D should be good/very good/great? But even good is good enough.

Our weapons on offense should scare everyone.

Slye is just a kicker, and a kicker can make or break more than a few games. Hopefully he has his nose to the grindstone and is ready to go.

Rivera still worries me because until the guy wins more games than he loses (a pattern in Carolina and here) he will worry me.

My optimism is higher than last offseason though.

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[quote=punch it in;1342525]The oline is the X factor. Every depth chart I look at is different. I am definitely worried about it, but unlike Wentz and Heineken … Howell uses his wheels. Plus we have an NFL caliber OC. So those two things take the edge off.

Our D should be good/very good/great? But even good is good enough.

Our weapons on offense should scare everyone.

Slye is just a kicker, and a kicker can make or break more than a few games. Hopefully he has his nose to the grindstone and is ready to go.

Rivera still worries me because until the guy wins more games than he loses (a pattern in Carolina and here) he will worry me.

My optimism is higher than last offseason though.[/quote]


The O-line is every team's X-Phackter. With this team, we have to figure out how to keep the Center healthy.

I think the D will be very good. I want to say great, but the schedule is tough...we'll see.

Offensive weapons - we have plenty, and defenses will struggle against us - especially if the O-line can hold its own.

I'm still a fan of Rivera. It's easy to look at his W/L record and come to some conclusion (and that matters), but his leadership, his ability to get players ready to play - and fight to the end, is telling. Right now, I can't think of a better combo for this team than Ron and Eric. I hope it works.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1342528]The O-line is every team's X-Phackter. With this team, we have to figure out how to keep the Center healthy.

I think the D will be very good. I want to say great, but the schedule is tough...we'll see.

Offensive weapons - we have plenty, and defenses will struggle against us - especially if the O-line can hold its own.

I'm still a fan of Rivera. It's easy to look at his W/L record and come to some conclusion (and that matters), but his leadership, his ability to get players ready to play - and fight to the end, is telling. Right now, I can't think of a better combo for this team than Ron and Eric. I hope it works.[/QUOTE]


Seems like we agree on everything except Rivera. You lost me at his ability to get players ready to play. Too many slow starts to games and second halfs. This is a make it or break it year for him. We finish .500 or below and he is gone.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1342510]Gates wasn't completely recovered from his broken leg last season. He claims that he is fully recovered and fit now. So, if you were to look at his film of him before his severe injury, as I did, I think you would see a much better player. If he can come all the way back from his injury, we may have a very good starting center. That is, maybe... it's possible...hopefully, if we get lucky...keep your fingers crossed..say a little prayer...order a vial of miracle spring water from a T.V. evangelist.[/quote]

Just wanted to highlight how right you are about Nick Gates.
Watched 2020 week 14's game against the Cards.
All his movements looked wayyyy sharper than post injury. Quicker, more physical. He also looked way more at ease as center than at LG if you ask me.
If he's back to his 2020 self, we have an upgrade at C... but still a huge question mark at LG. Are we just hoping Chris Paul takes a huge step forward ?

3 plays that stood out to me:

Just active and physical on both level in the run game
[IMG]https://media1.giphy.com/media/n8P4S78gjnG687Qyam/giphy.gif[/IMG]

How good hand technique can make you look tougher than you actually are
[IMG]https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNTU3Njc2OTRjZDJlNzg2M2ZmYmY3MTY1NDAyYmNlNjkyZDZlMzRlNyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/mHCadowbsFhSFUGxak/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Interesting one, showing his football IQ/film study ability IMHO. One of very very few plays where a DL lines up right in front of him (0 technique), he doesn't initiate contact, and turns his head to his right very early, seeing the stunting DE and handling him with ease. Did he see that formation on tape ? Did he just felt that alignement was weird ? Either way, that shows me a smart player.
[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNGYxNmU1MDc0MjhhMTcxMWQ4MWVlZmY4ZDEzOTQxNzI0ODQ2YWUyNCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/vc1jtdpxky3llZiTWn/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1342531]Just wanted to highlight how right you are about Nick Gates.
Watched 2020 week 14's game against the Cards.
All his movements looked wayyyy sharper than post injury. Quicker, more physical. He also looked way more at ease as center than at LG if you ask me.
If he's back to his 2020 self, we have an upgrade at C... but still a huge question mark at LG. Are we just hoping Chris Paul takes a huge step forward ?

3 plays that stood out to me:

Just active and physical on both level in the run game
[IMG]https://media1.giphy.com/media/n8P4S78gjnG687Qyam/giphy.gif[/IMG]

How good hand technique can make you look tougher than you actually are
[IMG]https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNTU3Njc2OTRjZDJlNzg2M2ZmYmY3MTY1NDAyYmNlNjkyZDZlMzRlNyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/mHCadowbsFhSFUGxak/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Interesting one, showing his football IQ/film study ability IMHO. One of very very few plays where a DL lines up right in front of him (0 technique), he doesn't initiate contact, and turns his head to his right very early, seeing the stunting DE and handling him with ease. Did he see that formation on tape ? Did he just felt that alignement was weird ? Either way, that shows me a smart player.
[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNGYxNmU1MDc0MjhhMTcxMWQ4MWVlZmY4ZDEzOTQxNzI0ODQ2YWUyNCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/vc1jtdpxky3llZiTWn/giphy.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Loved Gates. Wish he could have stayed but glad he got paid.

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[U][url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/30/report-commanders-will-release-andrew-norwell-after-he-passes-a-physical/[/url][/U]

No surprise here, but how does this affect cap etc? If he fails a physical I'd presume he goes with an injury settlement. If he's released, how much do we free up for fresh signings?

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[quote=punch it in;1342530]Seems like we agree on everything except Rivera. You lost me at his ability to get players ready to play. [B]Too many slow starts to games and second halfs.[/B] This is a make it or break it year for him. We finish .500 or below and he is gone.[/quote]

Valid point, however, I attribute the slow starts to games and second halfs to the lack of a good QB, the lack of a good offensive game plan, and the lack of making adjustments (or the inability to due to personnel). Hopefully some or all of that changes this year.

I don't think there's any question though, that his players play hard for him.

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I blame coaches, everytime.

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[quote=Meks;1342537]I blame coaches, everytime.[/quote]

I blame them every time, 60% of the time.

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Interesting though probably not significant in the long run

Nicki Jhabvala on Twitter

Commanders are trying out kicker Austin Jones at minicamp

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1342535]Valid point, however, I attribute the slow starts to games and second halfs to the lack of a good QB, the lack of a good offensive game plan, and the lack of making adjustments (or the inability to due to personnel). Hopefully some or all of that changes this year.

I don't think there's any question though, that his players play hard for him.[/quote]

I think the biggest issue this team has had on the offensive side of the ball, aside from not having a good QB, is having offensive coordinators that refuse to adjust their gameplan to the available talent.

If EB is able to adjust to the talent available, that's going to be a big win already.

As an aside note, I am not going to drink the Kool Aid and say that this team is playoff bound or anything. BUT, I don't understand the notion that this team is going to be worst as the media is portraying it. Are they really saying that Heinecke/Wentz was a better option than Howell/Brissett? I get Howell's inexperience, but I just don't see how you can say, "yup, they had better QBs last year."

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1342535]Valid point, however, I attribute the slow starts to games and second halfs to the lack of a good QB, the lack of a good offensive game plan, and the lack of making adjustments (or the inability to due to personnel). Hopefully some or all of that changes this year.

I don't think there's any question though, that his players play hard for him.[/QUOTE]


No doubt QB and Turner were huge parts of the problem. I don’t see hoe it can’t change for the better.
Everyone wondering if Sam is going to pan out, and if EB was a product of Reid and Mahommes. But
I am setting my expectations lower. Sam only has to be better than Wentz and Taylor, and EB only has to be better than Turner. There is no way in hell they are not.

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Per Michael Phillips RTD on early observations so far at camp:

“Buy stock in TE Cole Turner now! He looks great”


Has EB found his TE?

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[quote=Chico23231;1342572]Per Michael Phillips RTD on early observations so far at camp:

“Buy stock in TE Cole Turner now! He looks great”

Has EB found his TE?[/quote]

If Turner can contribute this year, that would be huge. Thomas and Bates don't inspire confidence in the passing game. Hopefully Thomas, further removed from his injury can return to 2021 levels. But not holding my breath on that one.

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[quote=punch it in;1342567]No doubt QB and Turner were huge parts of the problem. I don’t see hoe it can’t change for the better.
Everyone wondering if Sam is going to pan out, and if EB was a product of Reid and Mahommes. But
I am setting my expectations lower. Sam only has to be better than Wentz and Taylor, and EB only has to be better than Turner. There is no way in hell they are not.[/quote]

I hope you are right. I wouldn't say there's no way though. Both very well could be worse...

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1342578]I hope you are right. I wouldn't say there's no way though. Both very well could be worse...[/QUOTE]


Very well … no. Could be… anything is possible. Lol

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Washington Eeyores

This site is depressing as fuck sometimes.

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Albert Breer tweet:

Just updating this—Chase Young has looked pretty phenomenal in minicamp (much better than in practice at the end of last year), and I'd say chances of the @Commanders considering offers on him aren't what they were pre-draft. Teams can call. But I'd highly doubt he gets moved.

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Cool to see and read some of the action/reports for the day. Can't wait to see the team progress and gel through the summer.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1342582]Washington Eeyores

This site is depressing as fuck sometimes.[/QUOTE]


So are all the other losing teams sites. Comes with the territory. Hey Snyders gone and the positivity will come. Just not overnight, or maybe it will? I see progress this year for sure. Maybe even a playoff win? [emoji2962]

[IMG]https://media1.giphy.com/media/aTx5OMKR7FCGQ/giphy.gif[/IMG]

On a side-note Chase looking phenomenal in minicamp is the equivalent of a racehorse looking phenomenal in the gates. If he looks phenomenal during the season our Defense is going to be as good as any.

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Our QB (wentz and Heinicke lol) Line (couple picks n quality signings), WR’s (dotson a year older and hopefully Samuel healthy), TE (Cole n Thomas hopefully healthy), RB’s (B-Rob all year and C-Rod), and OC (Turner LMAO) all should, I repeat should, be better. Literally our entire unit.
On D Chase comes back, Mathis finally on the field, our D-backs, slight improvement at LB, Allen and Fucking Payne.

If this team doesn’t reflect those changes on the field and stays relatively healthy it is 110 % time to move on from Ron.

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[quote=punch it in;1342608]Our QB (wentz and Heinicke lol) Line (couple picks n quality signings), WR’s (dotson a year older and hopefully Samuel healthy), TE (Cole n Thomas hopefully healthy), RB’s (B-Rob all year and C-Rod), and OC (Turner LMAO) all should, I repeat should, be better. Literally our entire unit.
On D Chase comes back, Mathis finally on the field, our D-backs, slight improvement at LB, Allen and Fucking Payne.

If this team doesn’t reflect those changes on the field and stays relatively healthy it is 110 % time to move on from Ron.[/quote]I honestly think Ron will have to get us to the playoffs, at a minimum, to have a chance to be around in 2024. I am buying that Bienemy will have a good effect on the offense, although I'm hearing oline isn't looking so hot thus far.

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Ben Standig with BSJ

Insightful quote from BSJ on defending this new offense: "A lot more explosive plays, a lot of different routes that we didn't see. It's less conservative in certain areas. Maybe you think on 3rd and short they're going to do this... And you see the ball thrown 40 yards over your head, and you're like, oh, snap. This is what we want. We want an explosive offense that can create plays from everywhere."

Let’s go

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[quote=Chico23231;1342648]Ben Standig with BSJ

Insightful quote from BSJ on defending this new offense: "A lot more explosive plays, a lot of different routes that we didn't see. It's less conservative in certain areas. Maybe you think on 3rd and short they're going to do this... And you see the ball thrown 40 yards over your head, and you're like, oh, snap. This is what we want. We want an explosive offense that can create plays from everywhere."

Let’s go[/quote]Dotson, Turner, and Logan Thomas balling out so far. Weapons galore. Just hope the oline holds up. Like what Howell can bring to the table.

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Sounds like Howell is the real deal but of course time will tell