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I would like someone to look at what is going on with the coaching of the receivers. Is that still McCardell? You can't coach catching the ball, but it seems like the receivers are not where they are supposed to be, or at least where the quarterback thinks they are going to be - a lot. If it was one guy all the time, ok...but it seems to be systemic.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;851352]I would like someone to look at what is going on with the coaching of the receivers. I[B]s that still McCardell?[/B] You can't coach catching the ball, but it seems like the receivers are not where they are supposed to be, or at least where the quarterback thinks they are going to be - a lot. If it was one guy all the time, ok...but it seems to be systemic.[/quote]

Yes it is.

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^ it's bcuz we have no true number 1 WR my man out Corp is one of the worst in the league, AA was a one year wonder and Moss is getting old

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[quote=Bushead;851310]Someone said Cam would go to the probowl if he played against the skins 10 more times and I was just saying Cam's been tearing up everyone, so in "defense" of the defense, let's not make it seem like a magical one-time game.[/quote]Actually no. He's put up big numbers, but also made critical mistakes and had a completion % at or under 60%. He's also had two 3 INT games.

What we did today was allow CAR's running game to get going and take the pressure off Cam. He wound up 18/23 with no INTs because our D couldn't force CAR out of Cam's comfort zone. Cam made a couple of nice throws, but our secondary ain't real good either and our best S in coverage DB (OJA) was out. Kudos to the CAR O-line, their OC and Cam for executing & staying within their gameplan.

Prior to this week, the CAR run game outside of Cam was nonexistent. Today we gave up 24 / 103 yds to CAR RBs. Also the 1st 25 yd run by Cam included 3 missed tackles. No excuse for the poor run D. We're over-pursuing and not closing down the cutback lane on the defensive right side (Bowen, Rak, both MLBs but moreso Rocky). This has been going on for 3 weeks now and isn't fixed.

If we get beat strictly in the air, fine I'll live with it. But good teams run and can stop the run. We can do the first part, but if we can't do the second (and nothing is showing me this is going to change) we're in for a long season....again.

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[quote=Beemnseven;851332]Resources? Bowen, Kerrigan, Otogwe (who was out today), and Wilson? Did I miss anyone? Otherwise it's the basically the same group from last year.[/quote]Cofield & J. Jenkins (out of course)

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851340]Only Hankerson. The rest of the young guys, Royster, Helu, Austin, Paul... They've actually shown that they can be consistent if not decent. I've got no beef with the other rookies. I dunno why you're on the guy's jock so bad.[/quote]

Indifference is the only feeling I have when I hear Leonard Hankerson's name.
I have not even said that he was good. I haven't even said that he was certain for success. You accusing me of being "all over his jock" [I]is[/I] ****ing bullshit.
You have already deemed Hankerson to be doomed to failure. This is equivalent to having a 0% probability of providing value to us. Therefore, he will not provide any value. T.O will be guaranteed to provide value(100% certainty). Therefore, T.O should be picked up.

I don't believe Hankerson has a 0% probability of success, more like 5-7% ish of "making it", and something .03% of becoming a superstar. Well, Hankerson's low probability of success is still higher than T.O probability of even playing 2 years from now. And FA pickups are never 100% guaranteed either. T.O very well could pull a Randy Moss in Tennessee and not do much either.

I care about good personnel strategy just as much as good personnel execution. Hankerson might indeed fail and thus he becomes an example of failed execution in personnel acquistion. But I'm willing to take a chance on him over T.O because he might provide more than T.O.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;851368]Indifference is the only feeling I have when I hear Leonard Hankerson's name.
I have not even said that he was good. I haven't even said that he was certain for success. You accusing me of being "all over his jock" [I]is[/I] ****ing bullshit.
You have already deemed Hankerson to be doomed to failure. This is equivalent to having a 0% probability of providing value to us. Therefore, he will not provide any value. T.O will be guaranteed to provide value(100% certainty). Therefore, T.O should be picked up.

I don't believe Hankerson has a 0% probability of success, more like 5-7% ish of "making it", and something .03% of becoming a superstar. Well, Hankerson's low probability of success is still higher than T.O probability of even playing 2 years from now. And FA pickups are never 100% guaranteed either. T.O very well could pull a Randy Moss in Tennessee and not do much either.

I care about good personnel strategy just as much as good personnel execution. Hankerson might indeed fail and thus he becomes an example of failed execution in personnel acquistion. But I'm willing to take a chance on him over T.O because he might provide more than T.O.[/quote]

You seem to be under the delusion that I think TO is the second coming of Jesus. But if you'd like to twist things around like that, that's fine. All I said was TO could be a short term (read SHORT TERM) band-aid and Hankerson isn't going to be anything special from what I've seen from him in college and in the pre-season.

With Gaffney, Austin, and Paul, a guy from the practice squad who's had 6 weeks to study the playbook and still run around like a chicken with his head cut off it doesn't look very promising. The odds are against Hankerson is what I've been getting at. I get that everything is a risk, some guys actually show promise. To me seeing his college tape and his pre-season tape, Hankerson doesn't.

But if you wanna fill the team in your head with a bunch of what-if's, go right ahead. This argument is ridiculous because apparently I wanna take TO and make him play for 5+ years and think he's never/hasn't dropped off. Silly me.

But for the sake of you being right and the Skins getting better, I hope Hankerson ends up the second coming of Jerry Rice.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851382]You seem to be under the delusion that I think TO is the second coming of Jesus. But if you'd like to twist things around like that, that's fine. All I said was TO could be a short term (read SHORT TERM) band-aid and Hankerson isn't going to be anything special from what I've seen from him in college and in the pre-season.

With Gaffney, Austin, and Paul, a guy from the practice squad who's had 6 weeks to study the playbook and still run around like a chicken with his head cut off it doesn't look very promising. The odds are against Hankerson is what I've been getting at. I get that everything is a risk, some guys actually show promise. To me seeing his college tape and his pre-season tape, Hankerson doesn't.

But if you wanna fill the team in your head with a bunch of what-if's, go right ahead. This argument is ridiculous because apparently I wanna take TO and make him play for 5+ years and think he's never/hasn't dropped off. Silly me.

But for the sake of you being right and the Skins getting better, I hope Hankerson ends up the second coming of Jerry Rice.[/quote]

Yeah, god forbid a rookie wide receiver step up and give us a game changing performance when we need it most. Obviously, that would be asking way too much.

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[quote=Beemnseven;851386]Yeah, god forbid a rookie wide receiver step up and give us a game changing performance when we need it most. Obviously, that would be asking way too much.[/quote]

Never asked him to make a game changing performance. Just show some promise. I don't know why people seem to think I wanted him to come out with 200+ yards and 3 TDs. Run routes. Catch. Basic stuff.

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[quote=GMScud;851058]An offense that can't score points, a defense that can't force turnovers... It's like Gibbs 2.0 never ended! LOL. We stink out loud.[/quote]

Same old skins.. Nevermind who leads them

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851387]Never asked him to make a game changing performance. Just show some promise. I don't know why people seem to think I wanted him to come out with 200+ yards and 3 TDs. Run routes. Catch. Basic stuff.[/quote]

No, no I'm with you. Hank should be able to show us [I]something[/I] after week six. But I DID want a game changing performance. Hell, that's what we need. That's what this team has lacked from a drafted wide receiver since Ricky Frickin' Sanders.

Other teams can get game changing performances from rookie wideouts. Why the hell can't we?

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I have a feeling im gonna be asking myself how we beat Teams better than us next week and lose to the panthers

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851382]You seem to be under the delusion that I think TO is the second coming of Jesus. But if you'd like to twist things around like that, that's fine. All I said was TO could be a short term (read SHORT TERM) band-aid and Hankerson isn't going to be anything special from what I've seen from him in college and in the pre-season. [/quote]I never assumed that you thought these things. My points are based on T.O having a modest season. 600 yards, 3 Tds AT BEST, and likely less.
I'm arguing that the short-term should not be sacrificed in favor of the long term gains. The big question that should be addressed is simple: [b]What do we gain wins/losses-wise picking up T.O?[/b] And I'd answer, not enough to justify the move(maybe 2 or 3 at best). I'd rather cut Hankerson for some impressive (to the coaches) practice squader over T.O. And I would be ALL ON BOARD for [i]that[/i] move as well. Yes, replacing Hank for some PS'er. No sarcasm. Why? Because it's following the same principle: hunting for long-term assests.

[quote]With Gaffney, Austin, and Paul, a guy from the practice squad who's had 6 weeks to study the playbook and still run around like a chicken with his head cut off it doesn't look very promising. The odds are against Hankerson is what I've been getting at. I get that everything is a risk, some guys actually show promise. To me seeing his college tape and his pre-season tape, Hankerson doesn't.[/quote]And I state 5%. [B]FIVE ****ING PERCENT[/B] and THREE-THOUSAND[B]THS [/B]of a percent of being a superstar AND YOU'RE ASSUMING I'M IN LOVE WITH THE DUDE AND DESTINED FOR SUCCESS.

[quote]But if you wanna fill the team in your head with a bunch of what-if's, go right ahead. This argument is ridiculous because apparently I wanna take TO and make him play for 5+ years and think he's never/hasn't dropped off. Silly me.[/quote]I never assumed that you thought these things. My points are based on T.O having a modest season. Anywhere between 400-600 yards, 3 Tds, give or take.

[quote]But for the sake of you being right and the Skins getting better, I hope Hankerson ends up the second coming of Jerry Rice.[/quote]
Wait, a guy I stated that I think has .03% chance of becoming a superstar is someone I have a mancrush on? [B]3 thousdanths of a percent[/B] is not that high at all.

You'll probably keep on assuming those same things about me no matter how many times I try to clarify it. That's one assumption I'll actually make from your posting history.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;851413]I never assumed that you thought these things. My points are based on T.O having a modest season. 600 yards, 3 Tds AT BEST, and likely less.
I'm arguing that the short-term should not be sacrificed in favor of the long term gains. The big question that should be addressed is simple: [b]What do we gain wins/losses-wise picking up T.O?[/b] And I'd answer, not enough to justify the move(maybe 2 or 3 at best). I'd rather cut Hankerson for some impressive (to the coaches) practice squader over T.O. And I would be ALL ON BOARD for [i]that[/i] move as well. Yes, replacing Hank for some PS'er. No sarcasm. Why? Because it's following the same principle: hunting for long-term assests.

And I state 5%. [B]FIVE ****ING PERCENT[/B] and THREE-THOUSAND[B]THS [/B]of a percent of being a superstar AND YOU'RE ASSUMING I'M IN LOVE WITH THE DUDE AND DESTINED FOR SUCCESS.

I never assumed that you thought these things. My points are based on T.O having a modest season. Anywhere between 400-600 yards, 3 Tds, give or take.


Wait, a guy I stated that I think has .03% chance of becoming a superstar is someone I have a mancrush on? [B]3 thousdanths of a percent[/B] is not that high at all.

[B]You'll probably keep on assuming those same things about me no matter how many times I try to clarify it.[/B] That's one assumption I'll actually make from your posting history.[/quote]

Probably.

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[quote=CapitalDefense;851063]Orakpo soft

Kerrigan owned by an undrafted FA rookie

Coefield does nothing

Bowen nothing

Fletcher always brings it, give me 11 of him.[/quote]
They haven't banned you yet??

Matty Must be on Vacation

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[quote=pg86;851433]They haven't banned you yet??

Matty Must be on Vacation[/quote]

They don't ban people for their consistently lame opinions. ;)

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[quote=mooby;851446]They don't ban people for their consistently lame opinions. ;)[/quote]

It was close though. Very strongly considered. But we have a couple of guys down so we need to fill the roster spot. Got guys coming back next week though

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851415]Probably.[/quote]
THAT'S Humor......

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[quote=SmootSmack;851451]It was close though. Very strongly considered. But we have a couple of guys down so we need to fill the roster spot. Got guys coming back next week though[/quote]
I smell a WP........DEactivation......

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[quote=Hog1;851462]I smell a WP........DEactivation......[/quote]

Sometimes guys just need to go hang on the practice squad when they're not ready for the big leagues yet.

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[quote=Longtimefan;851327]Take the Quiz....

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/what-type-of-sports-fan-are-you/2011/10/21/gIQAEro63L_page.html]What type of sports fan are you? - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Mega Fan for me....

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[quote=Gtothearry;851465]Mega Fan for me....[/quote]

WTH? It told me I'd be better suited hopping bandwagons. Those sonofabit... I knew I could never trust print newspapers with dubious online surveys.

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I just don't get why anyone would want TO on this team. The guy is an annoying cancer who at this point isn't worth the headache. Why draft and bring in 50 wr's if you're going to bring in another old guy to take away playing time from the guys that you drafted? No thank you.

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[quote=mooby;851245]I have a question. Even if we do get a rookie qb next year, how do we know he will fare the same as the other rookie qb's in the league. All the other rookie qb's get the playbook scaled back to make it easier on them, and their playcallers put them in position to do what they do best. Kyle S. hasn't exactly shown that ability so far.[/quote]


IF the O tanks the rest of the way I think at least Kyle Shanahan will be thrown under the bus. Snyder will call for his head, if not for Mike's also. If we dn't make CB a priority in the next draft I will start to question Bruce Allen also. Again, I am not calling for off with their heads, but these guys have proven to me they are not what they were cracked up to be. Another marketing victory for Snyder to keep interest in the team no matter what happens. Thing is his scam is getting old. Many on this thread have also expressed as such.

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[quote=mooby;851464]Sometimes guys just need to go hang on the practice squad when they're not ready for the big leagues yet.[/quote]
Tell him to join me on the practice squad...the lemonade is great. :P

No seriously...the dudes post are redic

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[quote=skinsfan69;851477]I just don't get why anyone would want TO on this team. The guy is an annoying cancer who at this point isn't worth the headache. Why draft and bring in 50 wr's if you're going to bring in another old guy to take away playing time from the guys that you drafted? No thank you.[/quote]

Portis stayed on this team long past his expiration date and many fans here clamored for him to stay here, even though he was a headache, nothing but a drama queen, locker room cancer, and couldn't produce on the field. He was everything Washington epitomized over the last 10 years.

TO on the other hand i feel has been pretty quiet his last couple years in the NFL no drama other than supporting his team and making it known he felt he was still a top player. I'd take a chance on him for vet minimum...if he doesnt work out then you cut him....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;851491]Portis stayed on this team long past his expiration date and many fans here clamored for him to stay here, even though he was a headache, nothing but a drama queen, locker room cancer, and couldn't produce on the field. He was everything Washington epitomized over the last 10 years.

TO on the other hand[B] i feel has been pretty quiet his last couple years[/B] in the NFL no drama other than supporting his team and making it known he felt he was still a top player. I'd take a chance on him for vet minimum...if he doesnt work out then you cut him....[/quote]What do you think of when I say the words: Buffalo. Cincinnati.

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sheeeeeeeeeeeit, im down with the suck for luck campaign.



AWWWWW YEAH!!!! Gaffney and hankerson and banks promoted to the 1 2 and 3 wr's, get grossman back in there. Doughty, we are focusing the defense around you, mr reed on the spot. LETS ROLL!!!!

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[quote=GTripp0012;851492]What do you think of when I say the words: Buffalo. Cincinnati.[/quote]

The epitome of stable franchises with model locker rooms that know how to handle malcontent players?

As for TO, why bring him in? Would you put more of a premium on a little success this season over long term success if you give the young guys a chance? Worst comes to worst with the young guys you'll find out sooner if they can't play, or if they can play.

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[quote=Ruhskins;851325]Well given the resources put into the defense, you'd expect them to do what they had done (keep us in games) and more.[/quote]I think the defense has lived upto the expectations we had for it when we invested in it this offseason. I don't think it has exceeded expectations. We're still in the top ten in pretty much any statistical category with meaning.

Now if we replaced guys like McIntosh, Doughty, and Barnes would we be better off? For sure. Those guys never miss an opportunity to fail. But the offense is way worse than three players short: it doesn't have a foundation.

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[quote=skins89moss;851218]Any way we can get Brandon Banks the ball on offense. He is most explosive player at the wr spot.[/quote]

Not at the WR spot... we could do more screens but him being there would.prob give it away

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851228]Don't worry, Hankerson will just end up another Malcolm Kelly/Devin Thomas. Hopefully we'll make up for this in next year's draft.[/quote]

Ain't buying it yet.. then again I believed in DT till the very end

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[quote=GTripp0012;851247]Beck threw it well in the second half. Sean Locklear shut down one of the best rushers in the game. A couple of offensive bright spots in a sea of suck.

The defense gave up 30 points today, which wasn't good, but if they could just recover a fumble sometime, they'd have given up like 2/3s of the points they have this season. They are close to being a great turnover defense.[/quote]

Go figure Tripp is the most positive when we lose horribly lol

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[quote=Chico23231;851273]Rebuilding sux.[/quote]

it does but that isn't what we're exactly doing

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I think Hank will come around. Rookie Wides are known for suckage............

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[quote=Hog1;851580]I think Hank will come around. Rookie Wides are known for suckage............[/quote]I agree. Anyone looked at Darrius Heyward Bey's numbers recently?

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DHB having a solid yr

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851415]Probably.[/quote]
Not a lot of things piss me off, but being falsely accused is one of them. That you would prefer your little assumptions about me to whatever I communicate about my actual feelings on the matter(far more netural than you think. T.O is to us as Roman Hamrlik was to Montreal) shows me that you justice and fairness sure as hell isn't on your moral compass. Throughtout the [I]whole[/I] converstaion, I was going by T.O providing 400-600 yards or less and trying to prove [I]that[/I] was worthless for us. I don't [B]need[/B] to draw up a strawman of T.O being a perennial pro-bowler. But you won't see that and instead attribute to me that I'm a Hankerson fanboy. Well, **** off.

I hope Hankerson ****ing fails so I can prove you wrong. **** you. **** Leonard Hankerson. **** T.O.

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Why was TO even brought up in the first place. That whole element of this thread slipped by me somehow

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;851642]Why was TO even brought up in the first place. That whole element of this thread slipped by me somehow[/QUOTE]

Somebody mentioned our wr's suckage and someone else mentioned the rumors about TO being healthy and available as soon as this week, so why not bring him in? For the record I'm against it.