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[quote=skinsfan69;851281]So after watchig this team for 6 weeks what makes you think Buffalo and the 49ers are wins? I bet we drop one of those games. Also at Seattle is not an automatic win. Tough place to play. We're simply not good enough to walk on the field and beat anyone.[/quote]

I'm not saying we won't. The question was "who had this team at 11-5." I was pointing out that I did prior to the season for the reasons I listed. Your right some of the teams look better then expected, but so does the Skins, media had the Skins at 8-8 or worse. With my 11-5 all I'm pointing out is we could afford to lose 2 more game and maybe still get into the playoffs. I'm not talking SB. On a side note the Jets look like an easy win which I had as a loss.

No matter what we need to split our division. We beat the Giants. Lost to the Cowboys and Eagles. As long as we win the next games with the Cowboys and Eagles we can afford to lose to the Giants. But I'd rather beat then twice since now they are up on top of the division.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851293]Barnes has been stinking it up all year. When does Buchanon get back?[/quote]

I thought he was active today. But I think Barnes was playing a lot of safety today.

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We did draft someone to be the Future after fletcher unlike QB

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[quote=Ruhskins;851296]I thought he was active today. But I think Barnes was playing a lot of safety today.[/quote]

Thought Doughty was starting at safety? Barnes may have been playing there. I just don't think we have a better option than him at CB right now. Blah.

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[quote=Chico23231;851290]This team needs a guy who can spark the offense much like how Cam has done for the Panthers. Im guessing we will have a lower teens draft pick and in good position to find a QB. Finding a solid no 1 receiver whether its through FA or the draft should be a close priorty behind QB.

We need to get some serious depth at Safety as well. Laron and OJ cant seem to stay on the field together. Reed is a nightmare. Haslett should be embarrassed in how he prepared the D today. Really poor.

[B]Id consider seriously cutting Barnes. Another f*cking bullshit pick. Guy is pos player[/B][/quote]

No argument here. 3 seasons in and this guy hasn't done anything, and continues to get beat like a red-headed stepchild. He's not good no matter where he plays, whether it's backup corner, or backup safety. Byron Westbrook has outplayed him this season.

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[quote=mooby;851294]I don't think this team will be poor every week. They're just not consistent. [B]One week we're going to see a game like today's, another week we're going to see us go toe to toe with a team better than us.[/B] I'm just preparing myself to "stay medium" week to week. One thing's for sure though, in between the injuries and bad play I don't expect us to go on a run this season.[/quote]

I wish I were that positive. If you look at it, even after the lackluster win over the Rams, it's been pretty much downhill since Dallas.

In fact, we were in a death match with the Cards at home in week two. We haven't looked anywhere near as good as we did against the Giants in the opener.

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QB next yr is definitly a must. I'm soo glad Beck resolved our issue's. lol.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851249]Or he could just be Devin Thomas. You like playing that risk/reward chance card. Most people don't come out and end up being like Cam Newton or Darelle Revis and just naturally being a beast, but you can at least get a good feel for how they're going to be by watching them play. I don't get good feelings from Hankerson. I didn't in college. I didn't in pre-season. I don't now.[/quote]Every move in football has risk, rewards and has a probability of success or failure. Folks then subjectively assign a probability to said players and then make their decisions based off that. Failures are UNAVOIDABLE in the NFL because the probability of players bombing is that high. But you can minimize that with scouting and the correct strategy to maximize returns on the players you acquire. And the best players are long-term players who provide returns for you.

You want T.O? You figure out what returns he'll give you and whether it's ****ing worth it over the other options you already. His short-term production is also going to be hindered because of his lack of practice in the offense. For the long-term here's T.O's ability to reach that "upper echelon" status and how many more years he's going to play. Well, he's never going to be what he was in his 20s anymore, so the chance of that is a big goose-egg. T.O is not likely to make it past 40; he might not even play this year.

Hankerson will probably provide less in the short-term, but at least he might become SOMETHING in the long-term. It's an absolute certainty that T.O will not be playing for long in the NFL and his injury. We're a rebuilding team and need all the LONG-TERM assets we can grab. That means we should look at as many guys as possible that might provide long-term value, Hankerson being one of them. This doesn't apply only to Hank, but every rookie we draft and pick up from UDFA. They ALL have a [I]chance[/I] at providing more long-term upside than T.O.

Our strategy should about finding "franchise players", not quick fixes that don't stick for more than 3 years. If Hank bombs, fine, let's question the scouting. But I won't be scared of taking another potential WR in the 3rd round simply because Hank failed. It's a a strategy worth executing because "franchise" players are just that valuable.

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[quote=Bushead;851287]He's been doing it to everyone in the defense of the defense.[/quote]

????? slow down on the drinking. Or is it me drinking to much.

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[quote=mooby;851299]No argument here. 3 seasons in and this guy hasn't done anything, and continues to get beat like a red-headed stepchild. He's not good no matter where he plays, whether it's backup corner, or backup safety. Byron Westbrook has outplayed him this season.[/quote]

I'd cut Banks first before Barnes.

Sidenote: The Vikes are getting ready to go up 14-7 on the Pack.

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I knew Barnes was a POS when people kept saying "he woulda been a second or first round pick if it wasnt for an injury"

big red flag for a bust. he's flat out garbage

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I think we have a good team, but our DEPTH is horrid. Once a few guys go down, or team turns into complete crap, and that's to blame on the FO for then decade of shit they put in this locker room.

I would say we have the most potential at WR/RB as far as depth, and Dline.

The rest of our roster needs some serious rebuild

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;851302]Every move in football has risk, rewards and has a probability of success or failure. Folks then subjectively assign a probability to said players and then make their decisions based off that. Failures are UNAVOIDABLE in the NFL because the probability of players bombing is that high. But you can minimize that with scouting and the correct strategy to maximize returns on the players you acquire. And the best players are long-term players who provide returns for you.

You want T.O? You figure out what returns he'll give you and whether it's ****ing worth it over the other options you already. His short-term production is also going to be hindered because of his lack of practice in the offense. For the long-term here's T.O's ability to reach that "upper echelon" status and how many more years he's going to play. Well, he's never going to be what he was in his 20s anymore, so the chance of that is a big goose-egg. T.O is not likely to make it past 40; he might not even play this year.

Hankerson will probably provide less in the short-term, but at least he might become SOMETHING in the long-term. It's an absolute certainty that T.O will not be playing for long in the NFL and his injury. We're a rebuilding team and need all the LONG-TERM assets we can grab. That means we should look at as many guys as possible that might provide long-term value, Hankerson being one of them. This doesn't apply only to Hank, but every rookie we draft and pick up from UDFA. They ALL have a [I]chance[/I] at providing more long-term upside than T.O.

Our strategy should about finding "franchise players", not quick fixes that don't stick for more than 3 years. If Hank bombs, fine, let's question the scouting. But I won't be scared of taking another potential WR in the 3rd round simply because Hank failed. It's a a strategy worth executing because "franchise" players are just that valuable.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure I mentioned TO was a band-aid on a gaping wound. TO was never meant to be a long term option, he's meant to be a stop gap, so that next year we can focus on drafting or signing a young WR.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851298]Thought Doughty was starting at safety? Barnes may have been playing there. I just don't think we have a better option than him at CB right now. Blah.[/quote]

id get rid of both Reed and Barnes in the offseason. their type of talent can be find on the waiver wire any day of the week

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[quote=SBXVII;851301]QB next yr is definitly a must. I'm soo glad Beck resolved our issue's. lol.[/quote]

An unknown is still an unknown. Unknown=/= failure. Rex Grossman had many games to audition for us dating back to last year. I'm willing to give Beck the same amount of games to prove his actual worth.

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[quote=warpaint;851303]????? slow down on the drinking. Or is it me drinking to much.[/quote]

Someone said Cam would go to the probowl if he played against the skins 10 more times and I was just saying Cam's been tearing up everyone, so in "defense" of the defense, let's not make it seem like a magical one-time game.

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[quote=SBXVII;851301]QB next yr is definitly a must. [B]I'm soo glad Beck resolved our issue's.[/B] lol.[/quote]

Sarcasm?

All things considered, I don't have much of a problem with Beck's performance today. Sure, he had a couple of heart-stoppers. But drops, bad route-running by the wideouts didn't help him much.

The offense as a whole has been in a funk since week two no matter who the quarterback is.

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[quote=Chico23231;851308]id get rid of both Reed and Barnes in the offseason. their type of talent can be find on the waiver wire any day of the week[/quote]

They are depth players, this team needs playmakers. The front 7 today didn't do their homework and did not bring their A game (and they are supposed to be the strength of our defense).

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[quote=SBXVII;851301]QB next yr is definitly a must. I'm soo glad Beck resolved our issue's. lol.[/quote]

After todays game it's obvious Beck is the least of our problems. Thats a scary thing to have to admit. But true. WTF happened to our D?

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[quote=44ever;851313]After todays game it's obvious Beck is the least of our problems. Thats a scary thing to have to admit. But true. WTF happened to our D?[/quote]

I think that was known coming in. Can't fix everything in a couple off seasons.

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[quote=Bushead;851310]Someone said Cam would go to the probowl if he played against the skins 10 more times and I was just saying Cam's been tearing up everyone, so in "defense" of the defense, let's not make it seem like a magical one-time game.[/quote]

Agreed, Carolina has been playing well. As I said before, if they had a running game in the first couple of games, they would have a better record. Looks like they found their running game against us.

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granthpaulsenGrant Paulsen


Mike Shanahan when asked if John Beck is his starter next week: "Are you joking?" Then he said "next."

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Paulsen just said the Panterns are a underrated team and very good....F-That... How about saying your pissed you lost and it doesn't matter who you play you feel you should win.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851307]I'm pretty sure I mentioned TO was a band-aid on a gaping wound. TO was never meant to be a long term option, he's meant to be a stop gap, so that next year we can focus on drafting or signing a young WR.[/quote]

In that case, T.O's role is to play as badly as possible so he isn't re-signed and he gets us a higher draft pick.

Or, instead of T.O, we steal random PS'ers from various teams after cutting Moss, Gaffney, and Stallworthless. We also would get a higher pick and see what should stick.

Rubbing salt into the wound is what would help us land that next great WR, not trying to mend it.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;851318]In that case, T.O's role is to play as badly as possible so he isn't re-signed and he gets us a higher draft pick.

Or, instead of T.O, we steal random PS'ers from various teams after cutting Moss, Gaffney, and Stallworthless. We also would get a higher pick and see what should stick.

Rubbing salt into the wound is what would help us land that next great WR, not trying to mend it.[/quote]

That same logic could be used for QB. Since that's probably more of an issue than the WR spot.

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[quote=Chico23231;851305]I knew Barnes was a POS when people kept saying "he woulda been a second or first round pick if it wasnt for an injury"

big red flag for a bust. he's flat out garbage[/quote]

i agree for the most part. i would not say he is garbage, but he is really a special teamer at this point and has the potential to maybe be a 4th or 5th corner, nothing more. he should be showing more potential by now and he is not.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;851318]In that case, T.O's role is to play as badly as possible so he isn't re-signed and he gets us a higher draft pick.

Or, instead of T.O, we steal random PS'ers from various teams after cutting Moss, Gaffney, and Stallworthless. We also would get a higher pick and see what should stick.

Rubbing salt into the wound is what would help us land that next great WR, not trying to mend it.[/quote]

I agree with you completely on this what to do with WR debate. Why bring in TO for any reason? We drafted a ton of WRs and I would much rather get them in the game.

I feel that Shanahan will make that shift if the playoffs become out of reach.

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[quote=44ever;851313]After todays game it's obvious Beck is the least of our problems. Thats a scary thing to have to admit. But true. WTF happened to our D?[/quote]


I predicted this loss today. Had a bad feeling about this game all week. While I did expect a loss, I did not expect our defense to get abused the way it did. I also did not realize just how bad our receivers are. I live in Charlotte and got tickets to the game. All of is Redskins fans, including myself, were just totally dejected by this effort. There is always next year. We suck. The fact that some people always say crap like, 'Stay positive', blah blah blah. What team are you watching. We are terrible.

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[quote=44ever;851313]After todays game it's obvious Beck is the least of our problems. Thats a scary thing to have to admit. But true. [B]WTF happened to our D? [/B][/quote]

For the first time all season, they gave out in all four quarters of the game. In every game leading up to today, they've either held teams to field goals (Dallas) or they've been good for shutting opponents down for almost a complete half (Giants, Rams, Eagles). They've kept us in practically every game until today.

At some point, your offense needs to take over and win the game for the team.

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man when the injury bug bites its deadly. We gotten crushed by injury the last couple weeks.

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[quote=Beemnseven;851323]For the first time all season, they gave out in all four quarters of the game. In every game leading up to today, they've either held teams to field goals (Dallas) or they've been good for shutting opponents down for almost a complete half (Giants, Rams, Eagles). They've kept us in practically every game until today.

At some point, your offense needs to take over and win the game for the team.[/quote]

Well given the resources put into the defense, you'd expect them to do what they had done (keep us in games) and more.

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[quote=skins89moss;851213]I work Saturday nights from 6pm-6am pst and stay awake to watch the Redskins play at 10am pst game. I'm a sucker for punishment. I guess thats why I'm a fan. HTTR[/quote]

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I dont remember who here said it but someone said Beck would have the same outcome because the receivers cant catch. Man that was right on! Our receiving core is downright crap. If I didnt know better Id say some of them where dropped on purpose. Add that to Moss going out and Beck didnt stand a chance today. We look like a totally different team than before the bye week. Gano seems to be our only constant. Sad...

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[quote=Beemnseven;851323]For the first time all season, they gave out in all four quarters of the game. In every game leading up to today, they've either held teams to field goals (Dallas) or they've been good for shutting opponents down for almost a complete half (Giants, Rams, Eagles). They've kept us in practically every game until today.

[B]At some point, your offense needs to take over and win the game for the team.[/B][/quote]

Agree.

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[quote=Ruhskins;851325]Well given the resources put into the defense, you'd expect them to do what they had done (keep us in games) and more.[/quote]

Resources? Bowen, Kerrigan, Otogwe (who was out today), and Wilson? Did I miss anyone? Otherwise it's the basically the same group from last year.

Yeah, the D let us down today, no doubt. But apart from the '85 Bears, the 2000 Ravens, and the '08 Steelers, in my lifetime I haven't seen a defense shut down each and every offense they face week after week. And I certainly wouldn't expect that from this defense.

There's going to be a game here and there when a geniunely good defense has a bad outing. There ought to be ONE game when the offense can pick up the slack. We haven't seen that from this bunch since week one.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851319]That same logic could be used for QB. Since that's probably more of an issue than the WR spot.[/quote]
So, a guy who is a lock to be worthless in 2-3 years is more worth a roster spot than an unknown guy who might or might not be useful in 2-3 years. Hence, short-term gains is more valuable to you than the future. 1-2 wins this year thanks to T.O is more important than taking a look at PS'ers around the league to see if someone will help us long term or even provide depth. Well, those two wins aren't going to do us jack shit in the future exc and who fans wish they could have taken.

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[quote=44ever;851328]I dont remember who here said it but someone said Beck would have the same outcome because the receivers cant catch. Man that was right on! Our receiving core is downright crap. If I didnt know better Id say some of them where dropped on purpose. Add that to Moss going out and Beck didnt stand a chance today. We look like a totally different team than before the bye week. Gano seems to be our only constant. Sad...[/quote]

Yep - our receiving threats are Moss and Davis. That's it. That's the list.

Now we're down to Davis. God help the offense if he goes down. Now it's time for all of these young bucks at wideout to step in and show us what they've got.

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[quote=Beemnseven;851332]Resources? Bowen, Kerrigan, Otogwe (who was out today), and Wilson? Did I miss anyone? Otherwise it's the basically the same group from last year.

Yeah, the D let us down today, no doubt. But apart from the '85 Bears, the 2000 Ravens, and the '08 Steelers, in my lifetime I haven't seen a defense shut down each and every offense they face week after week. And I certainly wouldn't expect that from this defense.

There's going to be a game here and there when a geniunely good defense has a bad outing. There ought to be ONE game when the offense can pick up the slack. We haven't seen that from this bunch since week one.[/quote]

All those guys you mentioned are starters, so yeah that's a lot of resources. The D has let us down a lot this season, it's just been overshadowed by the sorry a$$ offense.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;851335]So, a guy who is a lock to be worthless in 2-3 years is more worth a roster spot than an unknown guy who might or might not be useful in 2-3 years. Hence, short-term gains is more valuable to you than the future. 1-2 wins this year thanks to T.O is more important than taking a look at PS'ers around the league to see if someone will help us long term or even provide depth. Well, those two wins aren't going to do us jack shit in the future exc and who fans wish they could have taken.[/quote]

Only Hankerson. The rest of the young guys, Royster, Helu, Austin, Paul... They've actually shown that they can be consistent if not decent. I've got no beef with the other rookies. I dunno why you're on the guy's jock so bad.

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[quote=Ruhskins;851338]All those guys you mentioned are starters, so yeah that's a lot of resources. [B]The D has let us down a lot this season,[/B] it's just been overshadowed by the sorry a$$ offense.[/quote]

Huh? Let's go through it game by game...

Giants, week one: Held them to 14 points, second half shut out.

Cardinals, week two: Allowed 21 points, offense bailed us out.

Dallas, week three: No TDs allowed.

Rams, week four: Gave up 10 points.

Eagles, week six: Second half shutout. Offense was good for 13 points.

Panthers, -- straw that broke the camel's back.

And I didn't go back and look at how many of those points came after a turnover by our offense. Up until today, the D is one of the few bright spots this year.