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Agree with Dirtbag. For all the talk about how Tim Tebow couldn't throw a pro route tree, Cam Newton was actually worse than that in the preseason. Then he threw for four bucks in Week 1.

Cam's rookie year wasn't a historically great passing season for a QB or anything, but it was the kind of season you would expect from a guy who may become an all-time great, but isn't at this time. What Cam Newton -- very quietly, I might add -- did with his legs in 2011 is something we haven't seen in the history of the NFL.

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Agreed GTripp.

That's part of his package and was definitely part of what I was referring to.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886243]What if that one basket was named Andrew Luck?

Given the Shanahan era to date, if I said you could get Andrew Luck in a trade with the Colts, but it would cost you every pick in the 2012 draft and the 2013 first rounder, would you trade an entire draft for the guy?

I'd have to imagine you would, because there is a good chance the Colts would turn that offer down if it was actually made to them.[/quote]

It depends on which team I was? The 49ers? Sure, I'd go all in to get him. The Skins? Probably not.

If I'm the Colts, the pick isn't even up for grabs regardless of how many picks you offered. I'm quite positive they would indeed turn down that trade scenario you mentioned.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886283]Oh Cam wasn't pro ready at all. Even in the preseason he looked lost. Then for some reason he became a Pro Bowl QB. Now the Panthers are contenders in the NFC South.[/quote]


Let's slow up with the contender talk...lol Granted the kid had a great rookie year, but it's too soon to anoint him as the next great thing.


Also, being a pro-bowler doesn't mean much of anything, and the reality of it is he only got in because other QBs declined.

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[quote=GTripp0012;885974]If they offer two first rounders to the Rams/Vikings, neither is going to say "no", they would either have a better offer from the Browns or Dolphins, or they would do that trade in a heartbeat.

And personally, I don't really care if the target is Griffin or Blackmon, as both will hopefully improve your passing offense. I have Griffin rated a lot higher than Blackmon, but if you have Blackmon rated much higher than RG3, then he's probably the one worth trading up for.

It does look like the cost of improving the passing offense in the first round would be a trade up and costing your 2013 first rounder. But you could get Trent Richardson, (perhaps) Mo Claiborne, or Reily Reiff to improve your ground game or pass defense without moving anywhere.[/quote]I'm sure there is a school of thought in the FO that is similar to the above.

I guess I'm too trade up averse to advocate trading up for anyone other then a QB.
WRs scare the beejesus out of me and I like our receiving corps at present at have hopes for Hankerson.
I like Richardson but I don't see an Adrian Peterson when I look at him.
I also struggle with whether Kyle's playcalling will ever lend itself to 'featuring' a running back enough to reap the benefits a back like Richardson could provide over our current stable of backs.

I do agree about the compensation and I think it would be reasonable to trade up for Griffin if the cost is [I][B]next[/B][/I] years 1st as opposed to this years 2nd + another pick.
Personally I would try to trade with the Vikes in hopes of lowering the compensation.

I like the idea of staying put for Reif, I believe a sure fire way to prove every aspect of our offense is through upgrading the OL.
I'm old school in the sense because I believe 'winning' at the POA makes any scheme or any set of X's and O's better.

I already know you don't like Tannehill as much as I do but..
I would have to think that there is an element in the FO that wants to take Tannehill.

Maybe 6 is too rich for Ryan and in my heart of hearts I would like to trade down and get Tannehill and the 3rd/4th rated OT Martin or Adams.
[I][B]But[/B][/I] trading down is huge risk when you're gambling on a QB unless they have other QBs that they like later on in the draft like Weeden or Foles.

Then there is always the question of what happens to McCoy should the Browns take Griffin.
I'm probably alone in this but I think McCoy would be a really good fit in Kyle's offense and would provide an instant and meaninful upgrade to Rex and would still have a good amount of to improve before reaching his potential.

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[quote=30gut;886299]I'm sure there is a school of thought in the FO that is similar to the above.

I guess I'm too trade up averse to advocate trading up for anyone other then a QB.
WRs scare the beejesus out of me and I like our receiving corps at present at have hopes for Hankerson.
I like Richardson but I don't see an Adrian Peterson when I look at him.
I also struggle with whether Kyle's playcalling will ever lend itself to 'featuring' a running back enough to reap the benefits a back like Richardson could provide over our current stable of backs.

I do agree about the compensation and I think it would be reasonable to trade up for Griffin if the cost is [I][B]next[/B][/I] years 1st as opposed to this years 2nd + another pick.
Personally I would try to trade with the Vikes in hopes of lowering the compensation.

I like the idea of staying put for Reif, I believe a sure fire way to prove every aspect of our offense is through upgrading the OL.
I'm old school in the sense because I believe 'winning' at the POA makes any scheme or any set of X's and O's better.

I already know you don't like Tannehill as much as I do but..
I would have to think that there is an element in the FO that wants to take Tannehill.

Maybe 6 is too rich for Ryan and in my heart of hearts I would like to trade down and get Tannehill and the 3rd/4th rated OT Martin or Adams.
[I][B]But[/B][/I] trading down is huge risk when you're gambling on a QB unless they have other QBs that they like later on in the draft like Weeden or Foles.

Then there is always the question of what happens to McCoy should the Browns take Griffin.
I'm probably alone in this but I think McCoy would be a really good fit in Kyle's offense and would provide an instant and meaninful upgrade to Rex and would still have a good amount of to improve before reaching his potential.[/quote]I really wish someone could explain to me why Ryan Tannehill is such a favorite as a third QB in this draft. In terms of his components, he's not in the top three in any one thing (height, perhaps the exception after Osweiler), whether measured statistically or observationally. And it would seem logical, that if you break the quarterback class down into components and Tannehill comes out average or below average in most skills, that the fact that he combines all of those blah skills into one package shouldn't make a better prospect than guys (like Foles or Cousins) that do one or two things exceptionally well, but have obvious flaws in either their footwork or decision making.

It would seem that grading only on skill sets, Tannehill has absolutely nothing on Weeden or Osweiler, who are both more physically gifted quaterbacks. If grading him on the production he flashed in college, he's not Foles, he's not Cousins, and he's not 30% of Kellen Moore. I don't feel I'm being unfair to Tannehill at all by putting him solidly in the second round of a class I've already given five first round grades in. In doing so, I'm ranking him ahead of Weeden and Osweiler, who are two guys who can just do more with their arms.

I'm with you on Blackmon: he's my number one receiver in this class, but kind of like when Calvin Johnson came out and I couldn't see the separation between him and Dwayne Bowe (its more obvious now), I can't really tell you with any degree of certainty that he'll have a better career than Kendall Wright or Michael Floyd. Which is why I believe, ultimately, he isn't going to go second overall, even though the Rams need a receiver bad.

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Man, this is the NFL draft we are talking about . Other than Luck who knows where the rest will be taken.

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[quote=NC_Skins;886293]Let's slow up with the contender talk...lol Granted the kid had a great rookie year, but it's too soon to anoint him as the next great thing.


Also, being a pro-bowler doesn't mean much of anything, and the reality of it is he only got in because other QBs declined.[/quote]

Pro Bowler might not mean much but 4,757 total yards, and 35 total TD's against 17 turnovers does especially for a rookie.

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[quote=30gut;886299]I'm sure there is a school of thought in the FO that is similar to the above.

I guess I'm too trade up averse to advocate trading up for anyone other then a QB.
WRs scare the beejesus out of me and I like our receiving corps at present at have hopes for Hankerson.
I like Richardson but I don't see an Adrian Peterson when I look at him.
I also struggle with whether Kyle's playcalling will ever lend itself to 'featuring' a running back enough to reap the benefits a back like Richardson could provide over our current stable of backs.

I do agree about the compensation and I think it would be reasonable to trade up for Griffin if the cost is [I][B]next[/B][/I] years 1st as opposed to this years 2nd + another pick.
Personally I would try to trade with the Vikes in hopes of lowering the compensation.

I like the idea of staying put for Reif, I believe a sure fire way to prove every aspect of our offense is through upgrading the OL.
I'm old school in the sense because I believe 'winning' at the POA makes any scheme or any set of X's and O's better.

I already know you don't like Tannehill as much as I do but..
I would have to think that there is an element in the FO that wants to take Tannehill.

Maybe 6 is too rich for Ryan and in my heart of hearts I would like to trade down and get Tannehill and the 3rd/4th rated OT Martin or Adams.
[I][B]But[/B][/I] trading down is huge risk when you're gambling on a QB unless they have other QBs that they like later on in the draft like Weeden or Foles.

Then there is always the question of what happens to McCoy should the Browns take Griffin.
I'm probably alone in this but I think McCoy would be a really good fit in Kyle's offense and would provide an instant and meaninful upgrade to Rex and would still have a good amount of to improve before reaching his potential.[/quote]

Well iamsrk has already told us that we're getting Colt...so I don't know what you're worried about

I still think it's not Manning, not Orton, nor Flynn that we're getting in FA. My gut says we're adding one maybe two QBs before the draft. But not those guys mentioned above

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[quote=SmootSmack;886307]Well iamsrk has already told us that we're getting Colt...so I don't know what you're worried about

I still think it's not Manning, not Orton, nor Flynn that we're getting in FA. My gut says we're adding one maybe two QBs before the draft. But not those guys mentioned above[/quote]

Like who? Hoyer, Josh Johnson? Who are some of the under the radar guys?

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[quote=SmootSmack;886307]Well iamsrk has already told us that we're getting Colt...so I don't know what you're worried about

I still think it's not Manning, not Orton, nor Flynn that we're getting in FA. My gut says we're adding one maybe two QBs before the draft. But not those guys mentioned above[/quote]

Please tell me who the redksins would sign if they dont go after flynn, orton, or manning? And what reasons do you have for those thoughts?

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[quote=NM Redskin;886309]Like who? Hoyer, Josh Johnson? Who are some of the under the radar guys?[/quote]

Josh Johnson would likely not be a starter

Nor would Jimmy Clausen for that matter

Yeah I believe Hoyer is the main under the radar guy not being talked about

annnnnnnddddddd Mark Sanchez! :)

Seriously though, I just feel like Manning's not coming here because I don't get the sense there is a strong "passion" to bring him here from the group of decision makers. They're probably more passionate about Orton (they did nearly acquire him twice after all), relatively speaking. And...truthishly...Hoyer and Clausen are two names that always kind of stay in the conversation while others tend to come and go

So I could see trade a 3rd for Hoyer, sign Clausen, use the 2nd to get a Foles/Cousins type

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[quote=SmootSmack;886312]Josh Johnson would likely not be a starter

Nor would Jimmy Clausen for that matter

Yeah I believe Hoyer is the main under the radar guy not being talked about

annnnnnnddddddd Mark Sanchez! :)

Seriously though, I just feel like Manning's not coming here because I don't get the sense there is a strong "passion" to bring him here from the group of decision makers. They're probably more passionate about Orton (they did nearly acquire him twice after all), relatively speaking. And...truthishly...Hoyer and Clausen are two names that always kind of stay in the conversation while others tend to come and go

So I could see trade a 3rd for Hoyer, sign Clausen, use the 2nd to get a Foles/Cousins type[/quote]

I know rex isn't the best, but you think clausen is a better back-up than rex? Rex would be a safer back-up IMO than jimmy. Their is no time to develop jimmy clausen and to see if it works. They need to win now. I could see hoyer possibly. Dont know if shannahan is going to trade any picks unless for RG III, who I dont think we are getting. We just have to wait and see. If they were interested in hoyer, I'm pretty sure that would be out their already.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886312]Josh Johnson would likely not be a starter

Nor would Jimmy Clausen for that matter

Yeah I believe Hoyer is the main under the radar guy not being talked about

annnnnnnddddddd Mark Sanchez! :)

Seriously though, I just feel like Manning's not coming here because I don't get the sense there is a strong "passion" to bring him here from the group of decision makers. They're probably more passionate about Orton (they did nearly acquire him twice after all), relatively speaking. And...truthishly...Hoyer and Clausen are two names that always kind of stay in the conversation while others tend to come and go

So I could see trade a 3rd for Hoyer, sign Clausen, use the 2nd to get a Foles/Cousins type[/quote]So, basically, it's Weeden and Grossman next year?

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[quote=GTripp0012;886314]So, basically, it's Weeden and Grossman next year?[/quote]

It's going to be ugly if that's the case I think.

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Rex and the Redskins have been at a bit of a standstill with contract talks and Clausen can probably be had cheap.

I think they're going to let Rex test the market and then welcome him back if neither side finds something better

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;886316]Rex and the Redskins have been at a bit of a standstill with contract talks and Clausen can probably be had cheap.



I think they're going to let Rex test the market and then welcome him back if neither side finds something better[/QUOTE]

I find it hard to believe we can't find anyone better.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886312]Josh Johnson would likely not be a starter

Nor would Jimmy Clausen for that matter

Yeah I believe Hoyer is the main under the radar guy not being talked about

annnnnnnddddddd Mark Sanchez! :)

Seriously though, I just feel like Manning's not coming here because I don't get the sense there is a strong "passion" to bring him here from the group of decision makers. They're probably more passionate about Orton (they did nearly acquire him twice after all), relatively speaking. And...truthishly...Hoyer and Clausen are two names that always kind of stay in the conversation while others tend to come and go

So I could see trade a 3rd for Hoyer, sign Clausen, use the 2nd to get a Foles/Cousins type[/quote]

This plan is sort of like settling for a few things off the dollar menu instead of springing for the Big Mac that you really want...

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All those options are just depressing.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;886319]All those options are just depressing.[/quote]

As I keep saying "Hope for the best, Prepare for the worst!"

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I swear if Rex is our starter

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[quote=SmootSmack;886312]Josh Johnson would likely not be a starter

Nor would Jimmy Clausen for that matter

Yeah I believe Hoyer is the main under the radar guy not being talked about

annnnnnnddddddd Mark Sanchez! :)

Seriously though, I just feel like Manning's not coming here because I don't get the sense there is a strong "passion" to bring him here from the group of decision makers. They're probably more passionate about Orton (they did nearly acquire him twice after all), relatively speaking. And...truthishly...Hoyer and Clausen are two names that always kind of stay in the conversation while others tend to come and go

[B]So I could see trade a 3rd for Hoyer, sign Clausen, use the 2nd to get a Foles/Cousins type[/quote][/B]

Giving up a 3rd rounder for someone that wasn't even drafted and hasn't done much outside of pre season doesn't make much sense to me. Clausen doesn't even belong in the NFL. These two could be worse than Rex and Beck.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886300]I really wish someone could explain to me why Ryan Tannehill is such a favorite as a third QB in this draft. In terms of his components, he's not in the top three in any one thing (height, perhaps the exception after Osweiler), whether measured statistically or observationally. And it would seem logical, that if you break the quarterback class down into components and Tannehill comes out average or below average in most skills, that the fact that he combines all of those blah skills into one package shouldn't make a better prospect than guys (like Foles or Cousins) that do one or two things exceptionally well, but have obvious flaws in either their footwork or decision making.

It would seem that grading only on skill sets, Tannehill has absolutely nothing on Weeden or Osweiler, who are both more physically gifted quaterbacks. If grading him on the production he flashed in college, he's not Foles, he's not Cousins, and he's not 30% of Kellen Moore. I don't feel I'm being unfair to Tannehill at all by putting him solidly in the second round of a class I've already given five first round grades in. In doing so, I'm ranking him ahead of Weeden and Osweiler, who are two guys who can just do more with their arms.[/quote]Without sidetracking the thread into a Tannehill discussion and to answer your (rhetorical?) question.
Your assessment of Tannehill is likely very different from the people that see him as 1st round prospect.
For example to my eye Tannehill's arm talent is on the same level as the top arm talents in this class Foles and Osweiler.
His athleticism is near tops in this class behind only Griffin and Russell Wilson.
To my eye Tannehill has more arm talent and is more athletic then Luck.
But Tannehill is raw.
His comparative lack of playing experience makes him a less 'polished' or 'finished' prospect.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;886324]I swear if Rex is our starter[/QUOTE]
he's a great backup qb

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[quote=Son Of Man;886249]Analogy:

Given the choice between Giada DeLaurentis and Kate Upton.

I'll marry the sexier lady and teach her how to cook later. We'll just order take out for a while.[/quote]

I see your point but we're talking about quarterbacking in the NFL. And besides, Giada would probably be a much better wife, she's the one you take home to mom. Kate would be the the one that you take to bed to get freaky with.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886307]Well iamsrk has already told us that we're getting Colt...so I don't know what you're worried about[/quote]lol quite right I forget all about. ;)

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;886264]You mean how Cam Newton wasn't pro ready? Because i'll take that not pro ready every day of the week.[/quote]

Two different guys. Newton is a physically imposing man that can run over guys and take the punishment. RG3 isn't that type of physical runner. He can't carry the load like Newton can. I just don't think we should give up a lot of picks to move up to take him. If he's there at #6 then by all means.

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i don't even care anymore. rg3 has shown me enough potential. i was completely against drafting qbs in the 1st round but i just don't care anymore. i want luck or rg3 even if it means coughing up two 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd round pick.

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[quote=30gut;886335]Without sidetracking the thread into a Tannehill discussion and to answer your (rhetorical?) question.
Your assessment of Tannehill is likely very different from the people that see him as 1st round prospect.
For example to my eye Tannehill's arm talent is on the same level as the top arm talents in this class Foles and Osweiler.
His athleticism is near tops in this class behind only Griffin and Russell Wilson.
To my eye Tannehill has more arm talent and is more athletic then Luck.
But Tannehill is raw.
His comparative lack of playing experience makes him a less 'polished' or 'finished' prospect.[/quote]I agree that his athleticism is the 'x' factor here. But arm talent has a lot of definitions, and I think Tannehill only fits the most narrow definition (that his arm is talented enough to spin a clean football anywhere within 12 yards). Where as Osweiler and Weeden have stronger arms that can drive the football and do so impressively from multiple planes.

And, again, I have Tannehill ranked higher than those two guys, so obviously physical skill set doesn't much matter in my rankings compared against what you can do with it. But it's hard to imagine his supporters being right on him if they are using his "rawness" to justify a high draft grade. I think Osweiler is incredibly raw, but I wouldn't take him in the first ten picks because of that.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886343]I agree that his athleticism is the 'x' factor here. But arm talent has a lot of definitions, and I think Tannehill only fits the most narrow definition (that his arm is talented enough to spin a clean football anywhere within 12 yards). Where as Osweiler and Weeden have stronger arms that can drive the football and do so impressively from multiple planes.[/quote]By arm talent I mean the ability to drive the ball with velocity on the litmus test NFL throws: deep comebacks, deep dig, bang 8 (skinny post), deep out.
Tannehill can make all these throws with better velocity then most in this draft class save for maybe Foles and Osweiler.
To my eye Tannehill can make these throws with ease while on the [I]move[/I] where as Foles and Weedens accuracy/velocity is affected/diminished with movement.

[quote=GT]And, again, I have Tannehill ranked higher than those two guys, so obviously physical skill set doesn't much matter in my rankings compared against what you can do with it. But it's hard to imagine his supporters being right on him if they are using his "rawness" to justify a high draft grade. I think Osweiler is incredibly raw, but I wouldn't take him in the first ten picks because of that.[/quote]You lost me a little here.
Why do you have Tannehill ranked higher then those guys?
Also, something must have been lost in the translation because I don't rate Tannehill highly [I]because[/I] he's raw.
Rather its his rawness that [I][B]prevents[/B][/I] him from have a higher grade for me.
That and a tendency to throw at a lower arm angle sometime 3/4 to sidearm motion.
If feel like he doesn't fully extend his throwing arm which doesn't allow him to maximize his throwing height which results in more batted balls then a QB his size should have.

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[quote=44Deezel;886016]They should trade back if they're targeting a WR. Floyd or Jeffery could be had later. The more picks the better.[/quote]

There is a select few of us who are on page with you but the majority would love to throw caution to the wind and just go get what they want at any cost with out any knowledge as to if the possibility will even work out. But they'd be happy and thats all that should matter.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/peyton-manning-risks-make-one-suitor-seem-increasingly-likely/2012/02/16/gIQAP1WrHR_story.html]Peyton Manning risks make one suitor seem increasingly likely - The Washington Post[/url]

Wow. just wow. Do these writers really understand who runs the Redskins anymore? I expect this kind of piece from a national writer but not from a local.

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Well, they are right about one thing. The dude is bright, animated, well spoken and quite entertaining. With his Football acumen, he would be a real asset to ESPN.........

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[quote=SmootSmack;886035]Isn't there a doctor here? Because from what I've heard this latest news is really being blown out of proportion. More surgery? Yeah probably but that could be a minor procedures many years down the road. Bone spurs? Not uncommon and not always such a big deal[/quote]

Yeah, NFL players get this procedure all the time and are able to return to football with out inident. A major example is Montana, but for those who don't want PM to interfere with their team selecting RGIII, this is an anomaly and only PM is and or has been subjected to these issue's. Lets not take him. (sarcasm)

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Mark Rypien's take:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/mark-rypien-on-peyton-manning-to-the-redskins/2012/02/15/gIQAGMK1FR_blog.html]Mark Rypien on Peyton Manning to the Redskins - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

Basically stating the reasons why I want Manning in a Redskins uni.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886054]A) March 24th, 2011.

B) Emory, but I took some time off to get my PhD in French Literature at Oxford. I really wanted to do something for me. Anyway after that I did my residency at John Hopkins.

C) Depends on how hot the rookie QB. RGIII is a day 1 starter. Everyone else behind him is a group of guys that shouldn't be starting before week 8 at the very least.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to get back to a triple bypass procedure, plus I got blood all over my keyboard.[/quote]

Weren't you one of the ones who said the same thing when I suggested we get Andy Dalton? yeah, I'm pretty sure you were. Just pointing out how wrong you an be. ;)

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[quote=skinsfan69;886334][/B]

Giving up a 3rd rounder for someone that wasn't even drafted and hasn't done much outside of pre season doesn't make much sense to me. Clausen doesn't even belong in the NFL. These two could be worse than Rex and Beck.[/quote]

it's about future potential with Hoyer really. He's extremely well regarded by many NFL teams perhaps more so than Flynn in some cases.

Think of Clausen as Clemens from last year. Low risk option.

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[quote=30gut;886344]By arm talent I mean the ability to drive the ball with velocity on the litmus test NFL throws: deep comebacks, deep dig, bang 8 (skinny post), deep out.
Tannehill can make all these throws with better velocity then most in this draft class save for maybe Foles and Osweiler.
To my eye Tannehill can make these throws with ease while on the [I]move[/I] where as Foles and Weedens accuracy/velocity is affected/diminished with movement.

You lost me a little here.
Why do you have Tannehill ranked higher then those guys?
Also, something must have been lost in the translation because I don't rate Tannehill as because he's raw.
Rather its his rawness that [I][B]prevents[/B][/I] him from have a higher grade for me.[/quote]Re: rawness, that is what I gathered from you (that you were downgrading him on it), but I feel like a lot of others have concluded that because he can get so much better than he is, his flaws aren't significant issues. Whereas evaluations seem to be far more terminal on Foles, Cousins, and Moore. It's almost like we've reached a point where college productivity is being held against players: Tannehill is getting pushed up somewhat because he lacks it. That, to me, is backwards.

With Weeden, I don't think he can ever overcome his age, so I'm not rating him like I believe he can. I think you can take Weeden, plug him into your system, enjoy having a strong armed quarterback in the Joe Flacco mold, and just deal with the fact that he's going to be a two read guy in the pros. But those guys are a dime a dozen. I bumped Weeden up to the fourth round because guys below that level don't typically have great ball velocity (Weinke didn't). I like Brock Osweiler, but Tannehill was the better college player of the two. Ergo, he's the better pro prospect, even though he's giving tools up in the comparison.

It seems to me that there are only a couple of QBs in this class that don't throw on the move well, but that seems to be a primary positive that follows Tannehill, because he played wide receiver for years. He's a much better athlete than Foles, but I just feel like if evaluators came out and said "that is why I believe the older prospect (Tannehill) has more upside," that it wouldn't fly against criticism. They are all gifted players physically.

Mostly, I just can't rectify "having the physical tools to be a first round pick" with being the consensus third best guy in the class. It sure seems like someone missed a step somewhere.

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[quote=Ruhskins;886085]McShay speculates that it would take a 1st, 2nd, and 4th for the Redskins to move up to #2.[/quote]

Pass

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So could we compare some of the interest in Hoyer by NFL clubs to Schuab when he was traded out of ATL. Highly regarded but never had a chance to play.