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[quote=SmootSmack;888467]This is what I've been trying to get at when I say I don't believe the gap between RG3 and Tannehill is huge

[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/02/at-qb-its-a-matter-of-value.html]At QB, it's a matter of value - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url][/quote]

But, the skill gap between Tannehil and RG3 is huge. The value of what it will take to move up to draft RG3 versus taking Tannehill anywhere in the draft is even wider. His example hints taking Tannehill at 6th. To me that's shooting yourself in the foot.

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[quote=diehard;888473]But, the skill gap between Tannehil and RG3 is huge. The value of what it will take to move up to draft RG3 versus taking Tannehill anywhere in the draft is even wider. His example hints taking Tannehill at 6th. To me that's shooting yourself in the foot.[/quote]

if they are high on Tannehill and he is the QB they are targeting they might have to take him at #6. cant trade back to far in the 1st round, because still have dolphins and seahawks looking for a QB.

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This is the key:

So, it’s not a matter of Griffin vs. Tannehill. [B]It’s Griffin v. Tannehill plus whoever the Redskins could get in the second round this year plus the player they could get in the first round next year.[/B]

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I would agree that Tannehill at 6 may be a bit high. I don't necessarily agree that the skill gap between RG3 and RT is significant. But that's just my opinion

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[quote=Mattyk;888476]This is the key:

So, it’s not a matter of Griffin vs. Tannehill. [B]It’s Griffin v. Tannehill plus whoever the Redskins could get in the second round this year plus the player they could get in the first round next year.[/B][/quote]

Say RG3 ends up being in a group of the 4th to 8th best QB's in the NFL in a few years and Tannehill is in the next tear of like 10th to 15th. Would you rather have the pretty good QB with a couple picks that also become starters or would you rather have the better QB? I will take the better QB every time...

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[quote=SmootSmack;888477]I would agree that Tannehill at 6 may be a bit high. I don't necessarily agree that the skill gap between RG3 and RT is significant. But that's just my opinion[/quote]

That's what it boils down to...your scenario makes perfect sense as long as you believe there is no significant gap between the QB's. There's just no way to sell that plan to someone who is convinced there is a gap.

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[quote=celts32;888483]Say RG3 ends up being in a group of the 4th to 8th best QB's in the NFL in a few years and Tannehill is in the next tear of like 10th to 15th. Would you rather have the pretty good QB with a couple picks that also become starters or would you rather have the better QB? I will take the better QB every time...[/quote]

Depends on what those other picks turn out to be.

In your scenario you have the better QB, but the team might be stronger overall with RT and the picks.

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[quote=Mattyk;888476]This is the key:

So, it’s not a matter of Griffin vs. Tannehill. [B]It’s Griffin v. Tannehill plus whoever the Redskins could get in the second round this year plus the player they could get in the first round next year.[/B][/quote]

I read that but, reaching that far for any player offsets the value as well. If they value draft picks, keep them and draft without reaching so far. To argue your point why not consider drafting RG3 versus Weeden or Foles or Wilson and the other selections they'll have without having to trade away plus the added picks that could be picked up if the Skins decide to trade down? Now the value is put on the the talent and skill gap...

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[quote=Mattyk;888486]Depends on what those other picks turn out to be.

In your scenario you have the better QB, but the team might be stronger overall with RT and the picks.[/quote]

That's just it...I don't care...you can make both of the other picks as good as you want them to be and I will still take the elite QB. This is a QB league now...the teams that win consistently have the best QB's. Every team in the league is flawed in this era of free agency...you can work around everything except the QB position.

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[quote=celts32;888484]That's what it boils down to...your scenario makes perfect sense as long as you believe there is no significant gap between the QB's. There's just no way to sell that plan to someone who is convinced there is a gap.[/quote]

That was a respectful way to put it. I should try that.

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[quote=celts32;888489]That's just it...I don't care...you can make both of the other picks as good as you want them to be and I will still take the elite QB. This is a QB league now...the teams that win consistently have the best QB's. Every team in the league is flawed in this era of free agency...you can work around everything except the QB position.[/quote]

Sorry but an elite QB doesn't solve all of our woes. Giving up 2-3 starters, 2-3 potential pro bowl quality starters, is a big price to pay. If MS decides it's worth the gamble I'll get behind it, but there's more than one way to approach this.

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[quote=Mattyk;888504]Sorry but an elite QB doesn't solve all of our woes. Giving up 2-3 starters, 2-3 potential pro bowl quality starters, is a big price to pay. If MS decides it's worth the gamble I'll get behind it, but there's more than one way to approach this.[/quote]

It doesn't solve them but it sure does mask them. Ask the Colts, Patriots, Giants & Packers. We can't try and plug every hole and build a completely solid team and get by with okay QB's like we did in the 1980's anymore. You will start losing them to free agency before you ever get finished. Those days are gone. Just get the QB and get in the game.

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[quote=celts32;888508]It doesn't solve them but it sure does mask them. Ask the Colts, Patriots, Giants & Packers. We can't try and plug every hole and build a completely solid team and get by with okay QB's like we did in the 1980's anymore. You will start losing them to free agency before you ever get finished. Those days are gone. Just get the QB and get in the game.[/quote]

Who says Tannehill can't be that guy?

All the teams you mention are/were still stronger across the board than we are right now, especially in the playmaker department.

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[quote=SmootSmack;888467]This is what I've been trying to get at when I say I don't believe the gap between RG3 and Tannehill is huge

[URL="http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/02/at-qb-its-a-matter-of-value.html"]At QB, it's a matter of value - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/URL]

Most say it will cost this year’s first- and second-round picks and next year’s first, and perhaps more, to move up to draft Griffin. Instead of the Redskins making that move they could take Tannehill with their own pick, the sixth overall.

So, it’s not a matter of Griffin vs. Tannehill. It’s Griffin v. Tannehill plus whoever the Redskins could get in the second round this year plus the player they could get in the first round next year [/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Good point. I'm still not sold on Tannehill at #6, or even #8 but when you put it in overall value terms like that I can see the logic behind it. I would like to push even further back and get him if they think he is their guy, but then you risk losing him to someone else...glad it isn't my job to figure all this out :)[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=Mattyk;888510]Who says Tannehill can't be that guy?

All the teams you mention are/were still stronger across the board than we are right now, especially in the playmaker department.[/quote]

It's possible Tannehill could be that guy but the consensus is that RG3 has a better chance to be a franchise QB. However, if the Redskins thought Tannehill had as good a chance as RG3 then I would be okay with drafting him instead. Unfortunately we have to decide what we prefer without the luxury of knowing what the Redskins think about the prospects.

As far as the other teams I mentioned...Probably but I believe that our playmakers would look better if we had a better QB. Plus we have 49 mil of cap space to add to what we have.