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[quote=SunnySide;1245304]I liked Hayden Hurst coming out of college but reports are the Pats are talking w the Ravens. Mock has us taking TE Thaddeus Moss (LSU) 66th overall (3R)

2 years of control for a 27 year old TE Hurst

or

4 years of control, 22 year old (when season starts) TE Moss

[url]https://www.draftsite.com/nfl/washington/43/[/url]

I dont think id give up the 66th overall pick for Hurst.[/quote]
Mock draft is …. interesting , they mock for three years . They have the Browns taking 3 QB's next year , them using there 1st rd pick the following yr on a QB . As far as us , I just hope after CY we hit on our picks like last year .

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[quote=SunnySide;1245328]Suicide, drinking himself to death ... guy has faced some demons but I dont think any of that is in play now or has been for a while. havent heard anything off field negative about him.

Its in the article and theres more in depth articles out there, commending him for speaking out when it could be viewed as a red flag for his NFL career[/quote]


I did read the article, I just did not want to assume what Irrefutable meant even though it might be obvious since he posted the article...

I think it's short sighted for anyone to assume that a team would be taking on a big risk if they trade for Hurst simply because of his mental health issues. If the mental health issues persist throughout Hurst's career and he did not do anything about it then I definitely can understand this but it is not the case with Hurst. In fact, Hurst had been very open about his mental health issues lately. This tells me that Hurst is aware of his personal issues and where he stands.

Chico - I think it's more of the salary situation than Hurst's issues.

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I think with our TE situation taking risks really isn’t a luxury we have but if we bring him in as a no2 TE for a 5th round pick, I wouldn’t be opposed. 2 more years on his deal to prove he can play.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245333]I think with our TE situation taking risks really isn’t a luxury we have but if we bring him in as a no2 TE for a 5th round pick, I wouldn’t be opposed. 2 more years on his deal to prove he can play.[/quote]

I wouldn't want Redskins to give up a high draft pick for Hurst neither, and we should not expect Hurst to resolve our TE issue if we trade for him. I prefer for Redskins to sign Henry although it doesn't seem likely now that the Chargers GM mentioned that they are thinking about using franchise tag to keep Henry.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1245335]I wouldn't want Redskins to give up a high draft pick for Hurst neither, and we should not expect Hurst to resolve our TE issue if we trade for him. I prefer for Redskins to sign Henry although it doesn't seem likely now that the Chargers GM mentioned that they are thinking about using franchise tag to keep Henry.[/QUOTE]



What wrong with Hooper besides his $11 mill/yr price tag? He’s NOT being franchised. I just wonder how many teams are going to be going after him?


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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1245312]Can you list who they are talking too? I agree, with the depth of WR, the Skins should get a nice choice at top of 3rd round of whoever slides.



I think the TE is ok...we should be able to grab someone in the 4th.[/QUOTE]



Chico,

This is from a recent article in Riggo’s Rag:

Their big interest is:

Dayton TE Adam Trautman

Notre Dame TE Cole Kmet

WR’s. Denzel Mims
Miss St Stephen Guidry
Liberty’s Antonio Gandy-Golden
USC Michael Pittman

OHIO ST. KJ HILL

S Carolina Byran Edwards

By concentrating on TE and WR in the draft after Chase Young it indicates they hope to deal with the
OL, CB, FS,LB in FA. I think they will also go for the top TE in FA. But they might not get the best TE FA since there is so much competition. Since Kyle Smith has done so well in the draft / UDFA for WR it makes real sense to let him do it again.

The Redskins have so many holes it is just impossible to fill everything in FA. WR and TE might have to come from the draft.




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[quote=Warthog;1245337]Chico,

This is from a recent article in Riggo’s Rag:

Their big interest is:

Dayton TE Adam Trautman

Notre Dame TE Cole Kmet

WR’s. Denzel Mims
Miss St Stephen Guidry
Liberty’s Antonio Gandy-Golden
USC Michael Pittman

OHIO ST. KJ HILL

S Carolina Byran Edwards

By concentrating on TE and WR in the draft after Chase Young it indicates they hope to deal with the
OL, CB, FS,LB in FA. I think they will also go for the top TE in FA. But they might not get the best TE FA since there is so much competition. Since Kyle Smith has done so well in the draft / UDFA for WR it makes real sense to let him do it again.

The Redskins have so many holes it is just impossible to fill everything in FA. WR and TE might have to come from the draft.




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Thanks man!

Hey, what’s the common thread among the WR they visited?

They are huge...6’3 and 6’4 guys

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[quote=Chico23231;1245342]Thanks man!

Hey, what’s the common thread among the WR they visited?

They are huge...6’3 and 6’4 guys[/quote]

Looks like these guys would be guys we are looking at in rounds 3 and 4, except for Guidry, who I'm thinking either round 7 or UDFA.

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[quote=Warthog;1245336]What wrong with Hooper besides his $11 mill/yr price tag? He’s NOT being franchised. I just wonder how many teams are going to be going after him?


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For some reason, I'm not 100% sold on Hooper. Based on my amateur scouting (lots of highlights videos, watching games, and reading news about the player), I didn't get impression that Hooper can make a big difference for a team. Although skinsfan did mention about Hooper's high catch rate, which is really good I have to admit.. In my opinion, If we want to spend a good amount of money on a receiver then the player should be a playmaker, or filling in that position will help bring Redskins to playoffs/super bowl. However, we are not even close to being a SB contender yet. Also, I know it's not new for FA players to be overpaid due to limited available options (i.e., Cousins) but since we are not close to being a contender yet, I prefer for us to build the team through drafts and smart signings until Redskins team show that they are close to SB then Redskins should go all in and do everything they can to fill in the needs.

This is not to say that I would be upset if we sign Hooper, I would be satisfied with the move but not excited. Scott Turner did say that TE is vital piece to his offense so it would makes sense if we sign him. I just hope that Redskins will not give Hooper a massive contract, just to outbid other teams. There will be a few teams who will want to sign Hooper so I think there will be a bidding war for Hooper. Hooper is in bottom of the top 10 TEs in NFL and he is not worth the #1 TE money.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1245348]For some reason, I'm not 100% sold on Hooper. Based on my amateur scouting (lots of highlights videos, watching games, and reading news about the player), I didn't get impression that Hooper can make a big difference for a team. Although skinsfan did mention about Hooper's high catch rate, which is really good I have to admit.. In my opinion, If we want to spend a good amount of money on a receiver then the player should be a playmaker, or filling in that position will help bring Redskins to playoffs/super bowl. However, we are not even close to being a SB contender yet. Also, I know it's not new for FA players to be overpaid due to limited available options (i.e., Cousins) but since we are not close to being a contender yet, I prefer for us to build the team through drafts and smart signings until Redskins team show that they are close to SB then Redskins should go all in and do everything they can to fill in the needs.



This is not to say that I would be upset if we sign Hooper, I would be satisfied with the move but not excited. Scott Turner did say that TE is vital piece to his offense so it would makes sense if we sign him. I just hope that Redskins will not give Hooper a massive contract, just to outbid other teams. There will be a few teams who will want to sign Hooper so I think there will be a bidding war for Hooper. Hooper is in bottom of the top 10 TEs in NFL and he is not worth the #1 TE money.[/QUOTE]



Yes, Hooper and Henry are very good TE, but certainly not elite. $11 mill is top TE money but I look at it being only HALF the price of an elite WR FA like Cooper. So perhaps you can pay for Henry at $10-11 mill and then use another $ 10 mill to get a CB or LB FA.

The cap is a zero sum game. Frankly, we just do not have the money to fill our many holes. Another issue is that last year 6 out of our top 8 FA got hurt and couldn’t finish the season. So a big consideration for a player we want badly, such as Henry / Hooper, is how will they survive the seasons we’re paying guaranteed money for?

I’d rather have a good FA playing all season than a great FA who doesn’t make it into any regular season games!


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[quote=GridIron26;1245348]For some reason, I'm not 100% sold on Hooper. Based on my amateur scouting (lots of highlights videos, watching games, and reading news about the player), I didn't get impression that Hooper can make a big difference for a team. Although skinsfan did mention about Hooper's high catch rate, which is really good I have to admit.. In my opinion, If we want to spend a good amount of money on a receiver then the player should be a playmaker, or filling in that position will help bring Redskins to playoffs/super bowl. However, we are not even close to being a SB contender yet. Also, I know it's not new for FA players to be overpaid due to limited available options (i.e., Cousins) but since we are not close to being a contender yet, I prefer for us to build the team through drafts and smart signings until Redskins team show that they are close to SB then Redskins should go all in and do everything they can to fill in the needs.

This is not to say that I would be upset if we sign Hooper, I would be satisfied with the move but not excited. Scott Turner did say that TE is vital piece to his offense so it would makes sense if we sign him. I just hope that Redskins will not give Hooper a massive contract, just to outbid other teams. There will be a few teams who will want to sign Hooper so I think there will be a bidding war for Hooper. Hooper is in bottom of the top 10 TEs in NFL and he is not worth the #1 TE money.[/quote]

So this is the problem...Scott Turner's offense features the TE, also Haskins really like to throw TE based on last year on the field. Sprinkle and others got a fair amount of targets. You want to setup your new QB up to win? Get him the pieces the offense needs to properly function and the QB feels comfortable throwing too.

Teams that feature the TE in the pass game win. Look at the Patriots for years. Kelce and Kittle in the SB. Why? They get favorable matchups against LB, Safety, etc.

We cant continue to spin wheels taking chances with UDFA, late round picks or other risk ie Hayden Hurst.

Spend the money

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I’m all in on Hooper

We desperately need a TE and he’s young and has been very productive

I don’t see why anyone would hesitate on him

Haskins would really benefit by having a quality TE


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[quote=MTK;1245352]I’m all in on Hooper

We desperately need a TE and he’s young and has been very productive

I don’t see why anyone would hesitate on him

Haskins would really benefit by having a quality TE


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The leap Lamar Jackson took this yr was due to hie 2 TE's, both are matchup problems for LBs. In today's game, if you don't have a legit Pass catching TE , u will struggle.

Look at what happened to NE post Gronk... Chargers when Henry was out. Etc.

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[quote=Warthog;1245350]Yes, Hooper and Henry are very good TE, but certainly not elite. $11 mill is top TE money but I look at it being only HALF the price of an elite WR FA like Cooper.


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Hooper and Henry are only 25 so while the top 5 TEs make 7.5-10M AAV, those guys are 31.

Hooper and Henry also are excellent blockers and getting a dual TE is big for me. We saw with just a pass catching Jordan Reed, it effects the packages you can run and gives pre-snap tells to the D.

I before said I wouldnt pay more than 10M per for Henry or Hooper ... but I might go to 11 range honestly. Maybe even 12 if it ends up being effectively a 3 year deal with a team friendly out.

TE market is about to be set imo. Its because these 2 guys are young and fit the en vogue model of being dual pass catch/run block.

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[quote=Warthog;1245350]Yes, Hooper and Henry are very good TE, but certainly not elite. $11 mill is top TE money but I look at it being only HALF the price of an elite WR FA like Cooper. So perhaps you can pay for Henry at $10-11 mill and then use another $ 10 mill to get a CB or LB FA.

The cap is a zero sum game. Frankly, we just do not have the money to fill our many holes. Another issue is that last year 6 out of our top 8 FA got hurt and couldn’t finish the season. So a big consideration for a player we want badly, such as Henry / Hooper, is how will they survive the seasons we’re paying guaranteed money for?

I’d rather have a good FA playing all season than a great FA who doesn’t make it into any regular season games!


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Highest AAV for a TE is Graham at $10 million. Kelce is second at $9.368. I do think that those numbers are going to be trending up quickly, but $11 or 12 million seems high to me for a Hooper. We really do need a TE, though, so who knows?