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[quote=mooby;1242145]Chico if you don't enjoy Ricky Gervais' monologue at the Golden Globes I don't know you at all. I thought it was fantastic.

[url]https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1214003629377478656?s=09[/url][/quote]

Yeah, someone sent it to me last night. He's just a funny guy who is easily sees through the bullshit. Anyone who tries to put rules on comedy doesn't understand the concept of comedy because lots progressive bullshit media outlets like vox and slate were crying like the lil tranny bitches they are about it

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[quote=mooby;1242145]Chico if you don't enjoy Ricky Gervais' monologue at the Golden Globes I don't know you at all. I thought it was fantastic.

[url]https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1214003629377478656?s=09[/url][/quote]

It was excellent! Don Rickles would be proud!

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I'm ignoring the impeachment thread because I'd put $100 bucks on how that ends. Trump will not be removed from office, the vote will go down along party lines with maybe 1-4 Senators making things interesting. In the end Trump/McConnell/Graham will declare victory, and Chico/Cred/sdskins will come in here mouthing off at how Schiff/Pelosi are wasting taxpayer dollars on a fraudulent case. Reds win, blues lose. Life goes on.

I just read this Cracked article (before they went to shit) from 2016 about the rise of Trump, and even though I don't agree with all of it, I think there is truth to what he's saying. My entire dad's side of the family are all very rural, hardworking, faith/family/pro-Trump. My entire mom's side of the family are all very urban, liberal, pro-blue (except for my pro-Scientology mom). My dad (rural) is very pro-Trump, me and my siblings (raised in NoVa) are all very liberal. As someone who visits relatives on holidays and still loves and cares about them despite our political differences it's something I want to learn about because ultimately I believe the real issue in this country needs to be about the growing wealth divide.

[url]https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/[/url]

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Back on Ricky Gervais a second I think he’s fucking hysterical. One of my favorite comedians by far. His show After Life on Netflix is really good too.


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Somebody else I really like is Joe Rogan because he’s pretty funny...and politically doesn’t buy into the garbage spewing, horseshit, extremely false narrative of pc identity politics. He also has zero problem talking to all people regardless of their political leaning, meaning he is normal and not a pathetic douchebag.

So I find it hilarious that he comes out in support of Bernie which is fine...a lil surprising, but fine. But then the left begins the purity test bullshit trying to get Bernie to reject the endorsement...which he hasn’t done and absolutely should not do.

But it’s hilarious to watch shithole garbage like ‘Move On’ cry over fucking joe Rogan...who I’m sure is laughing his ass off at these trash losers.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1243556]Somebody else I really like is Joe Rogan because he’s pretty funny...and politically doesn’t buy into the garbage spewing, horseshit, extremely false narrative of pc identity politics. He also has zero problem talking to all people regardless of their political leaning, meaning he is normal and not a pathetic douchebag.



So I find it hilarious that he comes out in support of Bernie which is fine...a lil surprising, but fine. But then the left begins the purity test bullshit trying to get Bernie to reject the endorsement...which he hasn’t done and absolutely should not do.



But it’s hilarious to watch shithole garbage like ‘Move On’ cry over fucking joe Rogan...who I’m sure is laughing his ass off at these trash losers.[/QUOTE]


I like his podcast, he usually has interesting guests



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So, 4 leaks in 4 days from CBS, ABC, NPR, NYT. Meanwhile Fox holds a town hall for Pete Buttigieg.

Media bias, hmm, I wonder.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243607]So, 4 leaks in 4 days from CBS, ABC, NPR, NYT. Meanwhile Fox holds a town hall for Pete Buttigieg.

Media bias, hmm, I wonder.[/quote]

Pretty sure that was Buttigiegs idea not FOX's.

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[quote=Chico23231;1243556]Somebody else I really like is Joe Rogan because he’s pretty funny...and politically doesn’t buy into the garbage spewing, horseshit, extremely false narrative of pc identity politics. He also has zero problem talking to all people regardless of their political leaning, meaning he is normal and not a pathetic douchebag.

So I find it hilarious that he comes out in support of Bernie which is fine...a lil surprising, but fine. But then the left begins the purity test bullshit trying to get Bernie to reject the endorsement...which he hasn’t done and absolutely should not do.

But it’s hilarious to watch shithole garbage like ‘Move On’ cry over fucking joe Rogan...who I’m sure is laughing his ass off at these trash losers.[/quote]

He is a wanna be John Stewart.

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[quote=Giantone;1243611]He is a wanna be John Stewart.[/quote]

Naw. Not close

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Yeah don’t get that comparison at all


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[quote=Chico23231;1243614]Naw. Not close[/quote]

Yeah you're right , Stewart is 100 times better.

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I like Joe Rogan's interviews for the same reasons mentioned here. He interviews everybody, treats them with respect, but will ask the tough questions. He certainly doesn't just throw easy softball questions like most Dems would get on CNN and most Republicans would get on FoxNews. All major news outlets in the US are clearly biased one way or the other (although some much more than most). I work out at the gym and will compare what i see on different TVs at the same time - it never ceases to amaze me how Fox News and CNN will have completely different spins on the same story. I enjoy checking out BBC to get an outside perspective. Not saying it wont have some bias, but at least its from a source that doesn't have a dog in the fight.

Personally, I'm missing Last Week Tonight With John Oliver. He calls bullshit everywhere (in American politics and abroad) in the most hilarious manner imaginable.

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Pretty decent!


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=396&v=Kxbht2rR-As&feature=emb_logo[/url]



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Watching CSpan coverage, the reporters asking questions of senators kept over talking the republican senators and house republicans, yet gave awe filled silence when Adam Schiff spoke. If you want to see a serious example of media bias sinply look at the feeding frenzy around republican senators, versus their awesome reverance of Mr Schiff.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243635]Watching CSpan coverage, the reporters asking questions of senators kept over talking the republican senators and house republicans, yet gave awe filled silence when Adam Schiff spoke. If you want to see a serious example of media bias sinply look at the feeding frenzy around republican senators, versus their awesome reverance of Mr Schiff.

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Ted fuckin Cruz crushed that piece of shit liberal hack journalist when he did...it was glorious

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1243635]Watching CSpan coverage, the reporters asking questions of senators kept over talking the republican senators and house republicans, yet gave awe filled silence when Adam Schiff spoke. If you want to see a serious example of media bias sinply look at the feeding frenzy around republican senators, versus their awesome reverance of Mr Schiff.

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Maybe it is because the horse shit coming out of their mouths is more interesting than the truth?

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1243641]Maybe it is because the horse shit coming out of their mouths is more interesting than the truth?[/QUOTE]Whatever. Watch it, and then think about it in role reversal terms. It was blatant but obviously you can't be objective about it. Thats fine, it is where we are. C'est la guerre.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1243644]Whatever. Watch it, and then think about it in role reversal terms. It was blatant but obviously you can't be objective about it. Thats fine, it is where we are. C'est la guerre.

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Sorry but when ken starr and that dipshit from harvard are completely contradicting themselves in a mind numbing manner what is there to be objective about? Let’s not over complicate this shit. If you want to say you think asking for dirt on the bidens in exchange for military aid is ok than have at it. But that is EXACTLY what happened. And no Obama didn’t do it first.

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[quote=punch it in;1243654]Sorry but when ken starr and that dipshit from harvard are completely contradicting themselves in a mind numbing manner what is there to be objective about? Let’s not over complicate this shit. If you want to say you think asking for dirt on the bidens in exchange for military aid is ok than have at it. But that is EXACTLY what happened. And no Obama didn’t do it first.[/quote]

How about if someone doesn't think it is ok, but they also don't think it warrants removal?

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[quote=punch it in;1243654]Sorry but when ken starr and that dipshit from harvard are completely contradicting themselves in a mind numbing manner what is there to be objective about? Let’s not over complicate this shit. If you want to say you think asking for dirt on the bidens in exchange for military aid is ok than have at it. But that is EXACTLY what happened. And no Obama didn’t do it first.[/quote]

Yes Biden threaten the Ukraine PM to remove an Ukraine Prosecutor and threaten him with 1 billion Loan Guarantees in aid. He specifically said, if its not done by the time I get back on his plane, then no aid.

Biden and I quote: What you know, son of a bitch, the prosecutor was fired.

Look up the video as Biden explains this on a campaign stop.

Yes, Biden and the Obama Administration participated in a quid pro quo.

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[quote=Chico23231;1243660]Yes Biden threaten the Ukraine PM to remove an Ukraine Prosecutor and threaten him with 1 billion Loan Guarantees in aid. He specifically said, if its not done by the time I get back on his plane, then no aid.

Biden and I quote: What you know, son of a bitch, the prosecutor was fired.

Look up the video as Biden explains this on a campaign stop.

Yes, Biden and the Obama Administration participated in a quid pro quo.[/quote]

Biden was acting on behalf of the official policy of the united states government at the time.

This is not about threatening to cut off a country's aid. There is nothing wrong with that. Its done all the time. I would hope that Trump regularly uses his power as POTUS to exert pressure on other world leaders to support America's interests.

The difference here is that, in this case, if the allegations are true, Trump would not have been acting on behalf of the United states official policy towards Ukraine. He would have been using his power for PERSONAL political gain.

This is the difference. Whether you agree with it or not, do you understand that part?

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1243662]Biden was acting on behalf of the official policy of the united states government at the time.

This is not about threatening to cut off a country's aid. There is nothing wrong with that. Its done all the time. I would hope that Trump regularly uses his power as POTUS to exert pressure on other world leaders to support America's interests.

The difference here is that, in this case,[B] if the allegations are true[/B], Trump would not have been acting on behalf of the United states official policy towards Ukraine. He [B]would have been using his power for PERSONAL [/B]political gain.

The president investing corruption is doing the same.

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Read the transcripts… and put down the "opinion" articles. The facts don't connect these things. Bribery, Treason, and Extortion are high crimes and misdemeanors, if these things were true and proven the Impeachment article would have included these along with the witness testimony/documentation within the House process. They didn't.

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[quote=Chico23231;1243664][QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1243662]Biden was acting on behalf of the official policy of the united states government at the time.

This is not about threatening to cut off a country's aid. There is nothing wrong with that. Its done all the time. I would hope that Trump regularly uses his power as POTUS to exert pressure on other world leaders to support America's interests.

The difference here is that, in this case,[B] if the allegations are true[/B], Trump would not have been acting on behalf of the United states official policy towards Ukraine. He [B]would have been using his power for PERSONAL [/B]political gain.

The president investing corruption is doing the same.

Bolded. You are jumping

Read the transcripts… and put down the "opinion" articles. The facts don't connect these things. Bribery, Treason, and Extortion are high crimes and misdemeanors, if these things were true and proven the Impeachment article would have included these along with the witness testimony/documentation within the House process. They didn't.[/quote]

Contrary to the last impeachment involving Clinton, Trump has done everything in his power to prevent evidence from being produced and witnesses from testifying. So far, we have very limited information, and the only official evidence is all "second-hand." Trump even gloated last week on TV that he had the evidence and the Democrats didn't.

The best way to quash this is to produce EVERYTHING, order EVERYONE to testify, and let republicans and democrats determine what actually happened. Sadly, the President is making a concerted effort to cover things up, so lawmakers are limited in one they are able to do. Trumps also threatened republican senators, which essentially amounts to jury intimidation.

It is truly sad that our democracy has come to this. The president is incredibly corrupt and politicians on both sides are more concerned with appeasing their constituents than behaving like adults and doing their jobs.

I cannot wait for this nightmare to be over in November.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1243662]Biden was acting on behalf of the official policy of the united states government at the time.



This is not about threatening to cut off a country's aid. There is nothing wrong with that. Its done all the time. I would hope that Trump regularly uses his power as POTUS to exert pressure on other world leaders to support America's interests.



The difference here is that, in this case, if the allegations are true, Trump would not have been acting on behalf of the United states official policy towards Ukraine. He would have been using his power for PERSONAL political gain.



This is the difference. Whether you agree with it or not, do you understand that part?[/QUOTE]



Facts psssh.....

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1243664][QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1243662]Biden was acting on behalf of the official policy of the united states government at the time.



This is not about threatening to cut off a country's aid. There is nothing wrong with that. Its done all the time. I would hope that Trump regularly uses his power as POTUS to exert pressure on other world leaders to support America's interests.



The difference here is that, in this case,[B] if the allegations are true[/B], Trump would not have been acting on behalf of the United states official policy towards Ukraine. He [B]would have been using his power for PERSONAL [/B]political gain.



The president investing corruption is doing the same.



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Read the transcripts… and put down the "opinion" articles. The facts don't connect these things. Bribery, Treason, and Extortion are high crimes and misdemeanors, if these things were true and proven the Impeachment article would have included these along with the witness testimony/documentation within the House process. They didn't.[/QUOTE]



What transcripts? You mean the summary of the transcript???? Why block witnesses from testifying? Come the fuck on man. You stop listening to Fox and open your own actual eyes

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[quote=punch it in;1243680][QUOTE=Chico23231;1243664]



What transcripts? You mean the summary of the transcript???? Why block witnesses from testifying? Come the fuck on man. You stop listening to Fox and open your own actual eyes[/quote]

The transcripts and testimony matched up. The President wasn't given due process in the house.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1243662]Biden was acting on behalf of the official policy of the united states government at the time.

This is not about threatening to cut off a country's aid. There is nothing wrong with that. Its done all the time. I would hope that Trump regularly uses his power as POTUS to exert pressure on other world leaders to support America's interests.

[B]The difference here is that, in this case, if the allegations are true, Trump would not have been acting on behalf of the United states official policy towards Ukraine. He would have been using his power for PERSONAL political gain.[/B]

This is the difference. Whether you agree with it or not, do you understand that part?[/quote]

BUT, that really falls under the concept of a black or white fallacy.

[quote]The black-or-white fallacy occurs in arguments that have a disjunctive premise―that is, one that gives alternatives―when one or more alternatives is incorrectly omitted. [B]The fallacy tries to force you to choose either black or white when gray is an available alternative[/B].[/quote]

It is entirely possible (and honestly highly likely) that President Trump was using his power for both Official Policy (rooting out corruption in Ukraine - this is obviously a strong and ongoing interest for US policy) and personal political gain. That is what Pres Obama did in asking the Russian Foreign Minister to let Putin know he would have more leeway after his election. Bush did it by expressing "Mission Accomplished" on a US Naval vessel, he clearly wanted to energize his base, AND strengthen his US policy toward Iraq. It has been done in many ways and many times. And I would say that, in Biden's case, holding up the aid to remove the prosecutor also falls under both - upholding US policy, and in the interest of Biden's personal family's gain/protection.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243701]BUT, that really falls under the concept of a black or white fallacy.



It is entirely possible (and honestly highly likely) that President Trump was using his power for both Official Policy (rooting out corruption in Ukraine - this is obviously a strong and ongoing interest for US policy) and personal political gain. That is what Pres Obama did in asking the Russian Foreign Minister to let Putin know he would have more leeway after his election. Bush did it by expressing "Mission Accomplished" on a US Naval vessel, he clearly wanted to energize his base, AND strengthen his US policy toward Iraq. It has been done in many ways and many times. And I would say that, in Biden's case, holding up the aid to remove the prosecutor also falls under both - upholding US policy, and in the interest of Biden's personal family's gain/protection.[/quote]

Let's be honest here Cred. Do you really think Donald Trump, the supremely self-centered leader of our country who only really cares about himself, is concerned with corruption in the Ukraine?

He wants the Biden investigation announced because it helps Trump politically, in the upcoming election of his life. Literally. If Trump loses in November, I guarantee you there will be state and/or federal prosecutors lining up cases to move against him that he won't be able to use the protection of the POTUS to defend himself against.

I agree with you, I think Joe Biden used his position to help his struggling son out and it was an absolutely terrible move in hindsight. He probably sold Burisma on the job for Hunter as a way to get access to himself. Let's not act like Trump is a saint in that regard either, [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/us/mar-a-lago-trump-ethics-winter-white-house.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article"]for the price of a Mar-A-Lago membership[/URL] or [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/it-was-like-a-breeding-ground-trump-hotels-mix-of-gop-insiders-and-hangers-on-helped-give-rise-to-impeachment-episodes/2020/01/16/2e4cdf3a-3888-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html"]a drink at the Trump Hotel[/URL] you can get access to Trump or Guliani. And who can forget, you can [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sxSGKB3Sj0"]literally record an hour long video of Trump talking inside the White House[/URL] and all you have to do is be a donor or a Guliani henchman.

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[quote=mooby;1243754][B]Let's be honest here Cred. Do you really think Donald Trump, the supremely self-centered leader of our country who only really cares about himself, is concerned with corruption in the Ukraine? [/B]

...[/quote]

And ultimately this is the Democratic argument, at best with witnesses it will be a he said/he said on the linkage. And half the country will like Don Lemon and his ilk will laugh at Trump supporters for supporting Trump, and half, like me, will be disgusted with the never trumpers and rational people who hate Trump and assume/accept that all his intentions must be evil/self centered.

It's not going to resolve and hearts/minds are not going to change, and I am remembering why I left the debate :( As Sunnyside said, we get sucked in to a time wasting slew of disgust for people who we should have a major common point (HTTR) of agreement, except G1 who sucks all around! (j/k G1, just your politics and football suck, I am sure you have many other redeeming qualities)

edit: and so you don't think I am deflecting - yes I think he cared about Ukraine in 2017 and 2018. This is from a 2018 WP article
[quote]Time and again, U.S. officials have said anti-corruption efforts were part of U.S. policy in Ukraine.

“The leaders agreed on the importance of expanding bilateral trade and investment, and the Vice President underscored the need for continued reforms to fight corruption, increase transparency, and improve the business climate,” read the March 2018 readout of Vice President Pence’s call with then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.[/quote]

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[quote=Chico23231;1243688][quote=punch it in;1243680]

The transcripts and testimony matched up. The President wasn't given due process in the house.[/quote]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243756]
It's not going to resolve and hearts/minds are not going to change, and I am remembering why I left the debate :( As Sunnyside said, we get sucked in to a time wasting [B]slew of disgust[/B] for people who we should have a major common point (HTTR) of agreement, except G1 who sucks all around! (j/k G1, just your politics and football suck, I am sure you have many other redeeming qualities)

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That is what i can control. My reaction and feelings to others diffirent than me. If I cant listen to someone else's opinion that I disagree with and properly compartamentalize ... that is a failure on my part. What am I, a 6 year old?

I was at a funeral and someone said "life is 10% what happens to you, 90% how you react to it".

But I do think discussion is important, we as humans talk and gossip. Im always caught between wanting to talk politics and getting frustrated vs just sticking my head in the sand.

My bottom line in politics is this and so far I dont think ive been wrong ... whether its a D or an R in control, it never actually effects my day to day life. So why get so worked up? Under Obama and now Trump, I cant say my life has changed for better or worse or even been effected at all. I felt better and prouder under Obama so why shouldnt my brethern trump supporters get their day under the sun?

(Outside of medicinal marijuana in MD which seemed to be bipartisan in MD and some local Howard County Board of Ed decisions I advocated against ... local local politics is what effects me. Will they put a bike lane in, will they cut arts funding, new playground etc).

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1243688][quote=punch it in;1243680]



The transcripts and testimony matched up. The President wasn't given due process in the house.[/QUOTE]



Holy shit. Talk about “fox news talking points”. He wouldn’t let anyone testify. Him n Moscow Mitch stonewalled the entire thing.

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Gotta love CNN Fearmongering

[QUOTE]GOP theory for acquittal could unleash Trump[/QUOTE]


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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243857]Gotta love CNN Fearmongering




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Speaking of fear mongering...shouldn't we be in the WW3 by now? I was told with the Iran ordeal we were being dragged into war? what happened?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1243858]Speaking of fear mongering...shouldn't we be in the WW3 by now? I was told with the Iran ordeal we were being dragged into war? what happened?[/QUOTE]Well actually we should be in post apocalyptic future of the Korean War struggling through the 2nd Great Depression.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1243857]Gotta love CNN Fearmongering




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Yeah because National Security and Democracy are nothing to worry about. Just stop. There really is a reason why lying, greedy, narcissistic a-holes shouldn’t be President. Besides the fact that they are abrasive [emoji849]

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You two are acting like such simpletons. Just because nukes aren’t being launched doesn’t mean irreparable damage isnt being done to the country.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1243861]You two are acting like such simpletons. Just because nukes aren’t being launched doesn’t mean irreparable damage isnt being done to the country.[/QUOTE]But that isnt what CNN is selling or trading on. They are pure fear.

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Basically besides you guys, Trump, Conway, Trumps family, Fox news, and his base are the only ones who don’t see the issue. Oh and of course Rudy and all the GOP Senators who want to get re-elected. Every general, everyone who worked with the guy, the CIA, FBI, and every other intelligence agency along with the majority of the people here in the country can see the problem. But Ill let you two get back to your Jokes.