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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1352113]The media never talks about him, it’s alway CJ Stroud. That’s ok, we know what we got.[/quote]

We got check down Charlie with his 5 yards per attempt average.
Stroud is dropping bombs downfield.

Stroud is a legit franchise QB.
Howell is on the same level as Heiniki.

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[quote=jamf;1352118]We got check down Charlie with his 5 yards per attempt average.
Stroud is dropping bombs downfield.

Stroud is a legit franchise QB.
Howell is on the same level as Heiniki.[/quote]

Lol, Jamf drunk as fuck tonight. Comparing Heinicke to Howell. That's wild.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1352097]EB needs to stay, letting him go would be malpractice to Howell[/quote]

I agree with you. Sam's progress is so rapid we shouldn't mess with the coaches who are helping him develop his skillset.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1352113]The media never talks about him, it’s alway CJ Stroud. That’s ok, we know what we got.[/quote]

Sam just needs to keep playing well and the rest will take care of itself. It doesn't help that he's the QB of a team w/ a losing record.

The talk about Stroud is very well deserved.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1352097]EB needs to stay, letting him go would be malpractice to Howell[/quote]

It's either HC or bust for EB. Besides, after this year he may have other opportunities to be a HC.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1352119]Lol, Jamf drunk as fuck tonight. Comparing Heinicke to Howell. That's wild.[/quote]

lol

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[quote=jamf;1352118]We got check down Charlie with his 5 yards per attempt average.
Stroud is dropping bombs downfield.

Stroud is a legit franchise QB.
Howell is on the same level as Heiniki.[/quote]

Jamf I love ya my guy but you gotta stop trolling everybody on here.

There is literally no way in hell Howell is Heinicke's level - we've seen more out of Howell in half a season than we ever saw out of Heinicke.

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Listing to Keim, he mentioned shorter QB like Brees and Saints strategy to protect him. The worst kind of pressure for brees was not outside pressure but up the middle. Really all about vision, batted balls, etc. we saw in the first Giants game, pressure up the middle was the worst.

Thought it was an interesting take. While our entire Oline needs a face lift…Left Guard and Center may need most immediate attention. Cosmi at RG seems decent.

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[quote=mooby;1352138]Jamf I love ya my guy but you gotta stop trolling everybody on here.

There is literally no way in hell Howell is Heinicke's level - we've seen more out of Howell in half a season than we ever saw out of Heinicke.[/quote]

Yeah he's def trolling now. Also mahomes was never a big YPC guy and people say he's the baby goat. Cant have it both ways, Howell has been damn good

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[quote=Chico23231;1352141]Listing to Keim, he mentioned shorter QB like Brees and Saints strategy to protect him. The worst kind of pressure for brees was not outside pressure but up the middle. Really all about vision, batted balls, etc. we saw in the first Giants game, pressure up the middle was the worst.

Thought it was an interesting take. While our entire Oline needs a face lift…Left Guard and Center may need most immediate attention. Cosmi at RG seems decent.[/quote]

Definitely makes sense to beef up the interior OL

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[quote=MTK;1352145]Definitely makes sense to beef up the interior OL[/quote]

I don't think there is an area on the team that does not need to be beefed up. Ironically we started the season with questions at QB but feeling pretty good about the roster, 3 months later and it is the exact opposite..

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1352147]I don't think there is an area on the team that does not need to be beefed up. Ironically we started the season with questions at QB [B]but feeling pretty good about the roster,[/B] 3 months later and it is the exact opposite..[/quote]

Ok, before anyone says it, with the exception of OL and LB

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[quote=MTK;1352145]Definitely makes sense to beef up the interior OL[/quote]

I'd go further and say, they need to assess which side they want to beef up as a priority, IF they can't rebuild the line as a whole. Building the middle alone without at least reinforcing one tackle leaves you at the mercy of edge rushers (or forced to hold a back or TE in pass pro). Makes you one dimensional. At least if you sort C, both guards and LT, you give your QB and running game a chance. If the QB isn't worried about his backside, he can read the right side rush at least. If you sort the RT then you can move the pocket to the right.

If they don't at least keep Leno, then they have to get a starting LT and LG as priority, on the assumption that C and RG are at least stable.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1352160]I'd go further and say, they need to assess which side they want to beef up as a priority, IF they can't rebuild the line as a whole. Building the middle alone without at least reinforcing one tackle leaves you at the mercy of edge rushers (or forced to hold a back or TE in pass pro). Makes you one dimensional. At least if you sort C, both guards and LT, you give your QB and running game a chance. If the QB isn't worried about his backside, he can read the right side rush at least. If you sort the RT then you can move the pocket to the right.

If they don't at least keep Leno, then they have to get a starting LT and LG as priority, on the assumption that C and RG are at least stable.[/quote]

Leno restructured contract earlier this year means if we cut him after the season, we take a big cap charge for 2024. Also Leno has been good this season, maybe his best season here, but he will be 33. I think he sticks next year.

Imo Gates needs to be cut after the season, cap charge of over 5 million in 2024. Add that Roullier that we are still paying on NEXT season too…we will have over NINE million in dead cap at Center!!! Talk about mismanagement

Wylie I think sticks too, his cap charge is high but he is serviceable and can play RG as well.

Tyler Larson free agent and Stromberg injured…we have nothing at Left Guard except poor fucking Ron draft picks.

We need a starters at Center and Left Guard immediately.

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Leno is fine for next year but not a solution beyond that. There are basically no starting tackles 35 or older except Trent.

The good thing is Paul, Stromberg, and Cosmi could grow into a pretty good interior line over time.

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They don't have time really. When the offseason rolls around, the new GM/HC combination will be looking at what worked and what didn't. They have 7 games. Maybe they are the interior 3, but they better prove it soon.

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[QUOTE=CapsCommies;1352175]Leno is fine for next year but not a solution beyond that. There are basically no starting tackles 35 or older except Trent.

The good thing is Paul, Stromberg, and Cosmi could grow into a pretty good interior line over time.[/QUOTE]


Fine isn’t good enough for a LT. If there is one there early or one available in FA get it. Same with the interior. Paul and Cosmi would be good depth. Stromberg the jury is still out on.

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[quote=punch it in;1352180]Fine isn’t good enough for a LT. If there is one there early or one available in FA get it. Same with the interior. Paul and Cosmi would be good depth. Stromberg the jury is still out on.[/quote]

For sure. Leno is - at best - a stopgap for next year. So if there's an opportunity to upgrade, they need to take it. Preferably a rookie who has a real chance to compete for the starting job but can sit and develop for a year if need be before taking over the position in 2025.

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I would say thank you Jay (leno), but we are moving forward with a new T.

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Heiniki would’ve been an upgrade today.

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[quote=jamf;1352607]Heiniki would’ve been an upgrade today.[/quote]

I loved Heinicke and you may be right about today, but Howell has put up games that Heinicke just couldn't. I also am not vested in Howell, BUT he reminds me of early Cousins in a good way AND you have him on a rookie contract for 2 more years where you can build a team around him.

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[quote=jamf;1352607]Heiniki would’ve been an upgrade today.[/quote]

Uh .. NO he would not .. geez we all know you can’t stand Sam .. what is your point anymore ??
You didnt like Taylor when he was here either .. yea I’d like to see Taylor throw it as much as EB has Sam winging it … Sam had a bad day but this loss was about a team that has guit on the coaching staff .. we will not win another game and I kinda hope Sam gets mothballed before he gets hurt seriously.. Sam is the least of the issues with this dumpster fire

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I wonder what Qb jamf actually likes..

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[quote=skinsfan69;1352621]I wonder what Qb jamf actually likes..[/quote]

Dak

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Sam was bad today no doubt and he admitted it. He’s young, will take some beatings but he’s a gamer. Honestly he’s kinda like a baker mayfield, tough as hell, good arm, accurate to a degree but Sam is more mobile. Until we find a better QB and we all know that’s hard to do, Sam is the guy. I mean who else are we going to get?? Kirk?? He ain’t coming back. I suppose we could draft a QB but our OL is TRASH


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It’s brutally hard for you guys to be critical of your lord and savior Sam Howell. Dude shit the bed today and his upside is JAG.
The guy is another Colt McCoy or John Beck. He isn’t the guy. Sorry.

Dak is trash but he’s better than Howell
Howell wasn’t the best QB on the field today against a team that started a practice squad guy.

Keep making excuses for Sam.

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He may not be the guy and he might be. We don’t know yet. It’s hard to judge with this awful organization


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Let's not forget that Favre and P. Manning had a lot of turnovers in the early going (in fact, Favre only cured that in part). Those guys turned out pretty well. The other QBs we've had in recent years could not have had the good games that Howell has had. Let's give him some more time before we call it one way or the other.

As for the coaching staff, on the other hand....

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Jamf , There are a lot of current and retired NFL players as well as coaches and NFL people who have come out and publicly praised Sam… I think they are more qualified than any of us to talk about his Skill set … I’ve never said he was gonna be the greatest QB ever to begin with .. you seem to enjoy watching him have a bad game …by the way you’ve been asked several times who would you have gone after to play this year ?

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You can't truly judge Sam without building even a replacement-level team around him. That has to be the plan for next year... an aggressive offseason to revamp the roster/coaching staff and see if Howell deserves a contract extension after '24.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1352621]I wonder what Qb jamf actually likes..[/quote]

Any that was drafted in the first. He's made that clear in the past. He'd love Howell right now if he had been drafted in the 1st instead of Dotson.

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You got see Sam's body of work over a whole season then make a decision.

He is so on the cheap to us considering his draft position I wouldn't get rid of him but if there is someone in the coming draft that the new regime likes you don't pass on him; draft him and he and SH battle it out.

I still think we have a strong starter in SH that if you put some nice pieces around him he could flourish.

At this point I say his ceiling is Kirk level, I don't think he will ever reach the Rogers level of QB play. BUT again he is a guy you could build around.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1352658]You got see Sam's body of work over a whole season then make a decision.

He is so on the cheap to us considering his draft position I wouldn't get rid of him but if there is someone in the coming draft that the new regime likes you don't pass on him; draft him and he and SH battle it out.

I still think we have a strong starter in SH that if you put some nice pieces around him he could flourish.

At this point I say his ceiling is Kirk level, I don't think he will ever reach the Rogers level of QB play. BUT again he is a guy you could build around.[/QUOTE]


With the right Team around him his ceiling is Russell Wilson type. The floor is Baker Mayfield.


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[quote=jamf;1352631]It’s brutally hard for you guys to be critical of your lord and savior Sam Howell. Dude shit the bed today and his upside is JAG.
The guy is another Colt McCoy or John Beck. He isn’t the guy. Sorry.

Dak is trash but he’s better than Howell
Howell wasn’t the best QB on the field today against a team that started a practice squad guy.

Keep making excuses for Sam.[/quote]

What QB's are worthy of your praise?

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Jam might be right and hell I can't blame him for his doubts.. This team let KC walk away and he's been a top 10 QB since he left. We NEVER hit on QB's so all of us are really just hoping SH is a franchise guy. None of us are certain he is. It's a crap shoot. Look at Pittsburgh, they thought Pickett was it and he's ass... Most said Stroud was a system QB and he's awesome. U really never know

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One thing is pivotal with the new regime coming in to this organization, don’t be like last time where Ron was told to keep Haskins and give him another year…that screwed us big time.

The new regime must get their QB. If they don’t want Sam that’s fine, pick another QB with what I expect to be around pick 6-10 first round. Move up aggressively to get their person.

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Flat out bad game by Sam no doubt. Occasional stinkers are to be expected by a young QB. EB has to share some blame too, he got totally out-coached twice by Wink Martindale.

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[quote=MTK;1352708]Flat out bad game by Sam no doubt. Occasional stinkers are to be expected by a young QB. EB has to share some blame too, he got totally out-coached twice by Wink Martindale.[/quote]

They shut our WRs down meanwhile our sorry ass corners let their no name WRs carve us up.. It literally makes no sense

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[quote=mredskins;1352658]You got see Sam's body of work over a whole season then make a decision.

He is so on the cheap to us considering his draft position I wouldn't get rid of him [B]but if there is someone in the coming draft that the new regime likes you don't pass on him; draft him and he and SH battle it out.[/B]

I still think we have a strong starter in SH that if you put some nice pieces around him he could flourish.

At this point I say his ceiling is Kirk level, I don't think he will ever reach the Rogers level of QB play. BUT again he is a guy you could build around.[/quote]

100% this. I don't want any handcuffs placed on the new GM and scouting department. If there is a QB they like and that's who they want, pick him!

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1352658]You got see Sam's body of work over a whole season then make a decision.

He is so on the cheap to us considering his draft position I wouldn't get rid of him but if there is someone in the coming draft that the new regime likes you don't pass on him; draft him and he and SH battle it out.

I still think we have a strong starter in SH that if you put some nice pieces around him he could flourish.

At this point I say his ceiling is Kirk level, I don't think he will ever reach the Rogers level of QB play. BUT again he is a guy you could build around.[/QUOTE]


Yeah you could draft a guy and let them battle it out. Problem is Ron has left so many holes on this team that we don’t exactly have the luxury of ignoring oline, secondary, linebackers, etc in the first couple rounds.

I’ve seen enough from Sam that imo he has earned another year but with an actual Oline, and HC. Probably a stud wr also.

I really think oline is the problem on offense. There is no time for the deep game to open up. It certainly looks that way. Im thinking Dotson is a bust and Terry is second tier, but you cant create separation in two seconds.

If it were up to me id roll with Sam and get him an oline. On defense secondary secondary and more secondary. Grab a wr and a te somewhere. Luckily we have the cap space and picks to fix alot of the problems