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The last 2 years of the Ukraine war has not gone well for the Ukrainians. It hasn’t been a stalemate, Russia has made gains and taken strategic strongholds.

And it looks, to most reasonable people, that it would take a larger, multi national force to reclaim the land lost to Russia

Are you committing troops or you good with Russian continued advance deeper into Ukraine on our tab?

Since peace apparently isn’t an option with anyone here

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[quote=Chico23231;1373161]The last 2 years of the Ukraine war has not gone well for the Ukrainians. It hasn’t been a stalemate, Russia has made gains and taken strategic strongholds.

And it looks, to most reasonable people, that it would take a larger, multi national force to reclaim the land lost to Russia

Are you committing troops or you good with Russian continued advance deeper into Ukraine on our tab?

Since peace apparently isn’t an option with anyone here[/quote]

Surrender isn't either. Russia started this and from your own admission the Ukrainians have been giving a good fight against a much bigger opponent. chico if the Colonist in the 1700's here in the US thought like you do we still be part of England. Face it you're a Bad American.

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[quote=Giantone;1373162]Surrender isn't either. Russia started this and from your own admission the Ukrainians have been giving a good fight against a much bigger opponent. chico if the Colonist in the 1700's here in the US thought like you do we still be part of England. Face it you're a Bad American.[/quote]

So no peace treaty?

Who is France in your analogy, you know one of the top 3 military powers at the time of the Revolutionary War who had boots on the ground?


If Trump committed troops, the same people here saying don’t abandon Ukraine would be crying about how trump had just started a 3rd world war. But if we continue to operate bau with the current Biden strategy which is losing ground everyday to Russia…then they will cry Trump lost the Ukraine war

Peace is the only option

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[quote=Chico23231;1373170]So no peace treaty?

Who is France in your analogy, you know one of the top 3 military powers at the time of the Revolutionary War who had boots on the ground?


If Trump committed troops, the same people here saying don’t abandon Ukraine would be crying about how trump had just started a 3rd world war. But if we continue to operate bau with the current Biden strategy which is losing ground everyday to Russia…then they will cry Trump lost the Ukraine war

Peace is the only option[/quote]
Here's an idea don't kiss up to the shit that started it. do you understand the Ukrainian people don't want to give their Country to Russia and Putin. Not one of your stupid scenario's mentions Russia backing off.

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[quote=Giantone;1373171]Here's an idea don't kiss up to the shit that started it. do you understand the Ukrainian people don't want to give their Country to Russia and Putin. Not one of your stupid scenario's mentions Russia backing off.[/quote]

Tell me the alternative then? What do you mean Russia back off?

…this war started with Biden and he had his entire administration to wage it.

Remember, Biden and EU did NOT give Ukraine an option to allow them into NATO. That’s NOT an option now either. So don’t fret over a existing Biden policy

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[quote=Chico23231;1373172]Tell me the alternative then? What do you mean Russia back off?

…this war started with Biden and he had his entire administration to wage it.

Remember, Biden and EU did NOT give Ukraine an option to allow them into NATO. That’s NOT an option now either. So don’t fret over a existing Biden policy[/quote]

You're as fucked up as trump suggesting this was Biden and the EU.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1373172]Tell me the alternative then? What do you mean Russia back off?



…this war started with Biden and he had his entire administration to wage it.



Remember, Biden and EU did NOT give Ukraine an option to allow them into NATO. That’s NOT an option now either. So don’t fret over a existing Biden policy[/QUOTE]Russia invaded Ukraine. Period.

Yes Russia gains ground but they lose between 1000 and 1500 people a day. Russia wants you to believe that it's sustainable forever but it's not, their economy was tanking before Trump gave them a lifeline. Most pure military experts think that the Russia would be forced to end war within the next year if you keep supporting Ukraine at the level that the West has been. Before Trump POTUS was known as the leader of the Free World now POTUS is the ass kisser of Putin.

And when it comes to how much we've spent supporting Ukraine it's barely a drop in the bucket against our defense budget, and the toll it has taken on the Russian military is immense.

If you're a Reagan Republican as far as foreign policy is concerned you can't support Trump on his handling of Ukraine.



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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1373172]Tell me the alternative then? What do you mean Russia back off?



…this war started with Biden and he had his entire administration to wage it.



Remember, Biden and EU did NOT give Ukraine an option to allow them into NATO. That’s NOT an option now either. So don’t fret over a existing Biden policy[/QUOTE]The alternative is to support Ukraine with whatever tools we can and let them fight their war. Their country was invaded. We pledged to support their sovereignty when they agrood to give up their nuclear weapons. This is not a hard concept to understand.

Certainly fighting with the dictators of the world is not where we want the US foreign policy to be, yet we were one of 18 countries -mainly dictators- to a vote against the resolution in the UN today


- this war started with Russia invading a sovereign country with a 40km long column of tanks. Actually, it was started in 2014 when Russia sent troops into Crimea, and continued through Obama, Trump 1, and Biden.



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Russia needs to get fucked and leave Ukraine alone

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1373178]Russia invaded Ukraine. Period.

Yes Russia gains ground but they lose between 1000 and 1500 people a day. Russia wants you to believe that it's sustainable forever but it's not, their economy was tanking before Trump gave them a lifeline. Most pure military experts think that the Russia would be forced to end war within the next year if you keep supporting Ukraine at the level that the West has been. Before Trump POTUS was known as the leader of the Free World now POTUS is the ass kisser of Putin.

And when it comes to how much we've spent supporting Ukraine it's barely a drop in the bucket against our defense budget, and the toll it has taken on the Russian military is immense.

If you're a Reagan Republican as far as foreign policy is concerned you can't support Trump on his handling of Ukraine.



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I disagree, most things I’ve read have stated Ukraine lacks the ability with its current force to retake any substantial lost land. There lies the issue.

And this is stuff written prior to the election. Ukraine has lost importance footholds on multiple fronts the last two years.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1373181]I disagree, most things I’ve read have stated Ukraine lacks the ability with its current force to retake any substantial lost land. There lies the issue.



And this is stuff written prior to the election. Ukraine has lost importance footholds on multiple fronts the last two years.[/QUOTE]They haven't lost significant amounts and they have taken Russian land and held it for over 6 months. If we put a no fly zone to protect their skies at little risk to our pilots, they would re-take their land in time.

FACT: at russia's current rates it would take them 83 years to capture Ukraine and cost them 30,000,000 killed and wounded.

Second fact (not really a proven fact but it is as true as your assertion about russia's advances) if the UK and USA had been true to our word in the Budapest memorandum and put troops on the ground and in the air this war would have been over as quick as the first Gulf war when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

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Understand that if you support Pres. Trump's position on Ukraine, you are siding with Russia, N. Korea, Nicaraugua and others. Even China abstained instead of voting with Russia.

So congratulations, you have accomplished what Hillary and Barack only dreamed of, a reset of relations wxth the worlds dictators and it only cost giving up on our allies, ideals and those we pledged to protect.
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[url]https://www.kyivpost.com/post/44119[/url]

Not only have military leaders explained it not possible to reclaim Russian gains but Zylinkski himself in December:

The Constitution of Ukraine prohibits us from doing this. De facto, these territories are now controlled by the Russians. We don’t have the strength to bring them back,” Zelensky told Le Parisien, a French newspaper.


Europe has fucked this up from day 1 and they want zero to do with Ukraine in NATO. But I have a hard time believe Ukraine who has been in strategic retreat the last two years can reclaim any territory without our boots on the ground or a multinational EU force.

Would you support anyone jumping into the war for Ukraine?

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I support the US selling weapons and whatever else Ukraine needs to defend itself. Does that mean boots on the ground? No. But this idea that we are just giving away aid for free is asinine.

Trump is a Putin bootlicker. Yes you can mock me all you want but there's a reason Trump turned to Russia for money when no banks would touch him. There's a specific reason they have private conversations without translaters/recorders in the room. Anyways I said my piece.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1373191][url]https://www.kyivpost.com/post/44119[/url]



Not only have military leaders explained it not possible to reclaim Russian gains but Zylinkski himself in December:



The Constitution of Ukraine prohibits us from doing this. De facto, these territories are now controlled by the Russians. We don’t have the strength to bring them back,” Zelensky told Le Parisien, a French newspaper.





Europe has fucked this up from day 1 and they want zero to do with Ukraine in NATO. But I have a hard time believe Ukraine who has been in strategic retreat the last two years can reclaim any territory without our boots on the ground or a multinational EU force.



Would you support anyone jumping into the war for Ukraine?[/QUOTE]Question:

When Iraq invaded Kuwait did you support Bush 1 sending US troops? ( I signed up for the Army the week the air war began. )

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Polish FM at the UN. Worth a listen

[url]https://x.com/ManiamAkash/status/1894110636541448222?s=19[/url]

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trump being an asshole ..............................

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Trump and Vance are slowly destroying USA' relationships with allies... I saw a longer clip of the conversation between Trump, Vance and Zelenskiy - it's just embarrassing for USA. Kudos to Zelenskiy for not caving into the pressure.

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trump is disgusting as is Vance.

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They’re both fucking bozos, so embarrassing

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqOOOR7Kr-s[/url]


[SIZE="6"]JFC!!!!!!!![/SIZE]

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The U.S. is a Russian ally now and will do the bidding of Putin.

Honestly , surprised Don didn’t arrest Zelensky today and ship him to Russia for his execution. That would have pleased his boss, Vlad.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1373218]Question:

When Iraq invaded Kuwait did you support Bush 1 sending US troops? ( I signed up for the Army the week the air war began. )

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I was too young to have an informed opinion but I remember most people supported US involvement

Oh wow that’s pretty cool! Thank you for your service

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I didn’t like what happened yesterday, but the longer clip showed Zelinsky being an ass.

Nobody came off well in my opinion and I think Z kinda baited trump. Think he was looking for a reaction to get this kinda outrage from the Ukraine supporters but I don’t think he will expected being thrown out

Bold strategy cotton, let’s see if it pays off

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Reminder, the EU bought more energy from Russia last year than gave support to Ukraine

And they increased there natural gas buy 300% since the first year of war

That green energy strategy has been an embarrassment by the EU, almost as embarrassed as their immigration policies

Good luck to Europe

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[quote=Chico23231;1373271]I didn’t like what happened yesterday, but the [B][SIZE="5"]longer clip showed Zelinsky being an ass.
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Nobody came off well in my opinion and I think Z kinda baited trump. Think he was looking for a reaction to get this kinda outrage from the Ukraine supporters but I don’t think he will expected being thrown out

Bold strategy cotton, let’s see if it pays off[/quote]


The man got ambushed you're a phucking moron to try and throw any blame on him. trump has manage to do what no president has ever done . Turn the World against the United States. Anyone that supports trump is a traitor , yes it's that simple.

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[quote=Chico23231;1373272][B]Reminder, the EU bought more energy from Russia last year than gave support to Ukraine

And they increased there natural gas buy 300% since the first year of war[/B]

That green energy strategy has been an embarrassment by the EU, almost as embarrassed as their immigration policies

Good luck to Europe[/quote]

Again you're wrong, shit you're so stupid you probably believe president musk.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1373272]Reminder, the EU bought more energy from Russia last year than gave support to Ukraine



And they increased there natural gas buy 300% since the first year of war



That green energy strategy has been an embarrassment by the EU, almost as embarrassed as their immigration policies



Good luck to Europe[/QUOTE]I watched the whole clip and in no time did I see a point where zielinsky was disrespectful. Vance asking Zelensky if he said "thank you" during this interview when Zelensky had said that he had immense gratitude towards Trump and has repeatedly said Thank you to the American citizens and to America the country for helping his country in a Life or death struggle is just absurd. Maybe Vance is just too dumb to understand that saying gratitude is the same as saying thank you.

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[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/03/01/zelenskyy-says-hell-sign-minerals-deal-and-urges-us-to-stand-more-firmly-for-ukraine-after-oval-office-clash/[/url]

Zelenskyy Says He’ll Sign Minerals Deal And Urges US To ‘Stand More Firmly’ For Ukraine After Oval Office Clash

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phuck trump!

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[url]https://x.com/TheFl0orIsLaVa/status/1896673021995405495?s=19[/url]

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Tonight Trump is going to announce we're pulling out of NATO and based off Zelinsky's disrepectful outfit in the Oval Office last week he's sending 100k troops to assist Russia in their war on Ukraine.

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Zelensky needs to show up in a tan suit sometime

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[QUOTE=MTK;1373379]Zelensky needs to show up in a tan suit sometime[/QUOTE]I think he should get a duplicate of musks outfit. With a deck of playing cards.

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[url]https://www.kyivpost.com/post/48297[/url]

Starmer and Macron to Join Zelensky in Washington as Ukraine Pushes Its Peace Plan

Get in here to take your shots at fellow Trump-ists…*checks notes to see if this is right….Starmer and Macron!! ??



Mooby, what does Putin have on Starmer and Macron?

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Maybe they didn't like the way trump ambushed Zalinski so they want to be there to show solidarity. chico is too stupid to understand.

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Who did President Trump have to the White House recently outside of Zelensky?

Same people who think trump elections were flukes or stolen…or think Trump acts impulsively without planning ahead…these are the same people that still believe in the Russian collusion hoax or peddle other conspiracy theories like Trump is leaving NATO.

They don’t see it or simply refuse.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1373394]Who did President Trump have to the White House recently outside of Zelensky?



Same people who think trump elections were flukes or stolen…or think Trump acts impulsively without planning ahead…these are the same people that still believe in the Russian collusion hoax or peddle other conspiracy theories like Trump is leaving NATO.



They don’t see it or simply refuse.[/QUOTE]Did you see how Musk behaved at the White House. Z is the president of a war torn country and doesn't speak english as his primary language and Trump rants and raves after Vance pushed dumb issues.

And after cutting off Ukraine - even as Russia bombs civilians every day - Trump sends this text

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[url]https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/sv/statement_25_673[/url]

Press statement by President von der Leyen on the defence package

EU 800 billion defense package now in the works. Looks like someone is getting things done