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[QUOTE=scowan]Malcolm, I am with you, Dallas ran the Flea Flicker on KC and they burned us on it as well in Week 2. We have to watch out for that stuff again this week. We need something to shake up the Boys this week and a BIG HIT ON BLEDSOE!!! 2 TDs to Moss and a Partidge in a Pear Tree!!![/QUOTE]

Joe Bugel said last night on Channel 4 that the boys will use a gadget play or 2 so they gotta be prepared.

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[QUOTE=irish]I am concerned about this game because dallas (while not an elite team like indy) is a bonafide playoff contender (unlike Ariz & SF). I just cant stop thinking that the skins just dont score enough points to win and even if the defense hold the boys to 17 points the redskins offense wont even score that many. The skins need to prove to me they can score and handle the better teams in the nfl before I'll feel like the skins will win this one.[/QUOTE]


This is funny. Untill the KC game the Cowboy boards said exactly the same thing. Dallas had an offence that sucked and couldn't score, and a Defense that was good and had to get turnovers for the offence to score.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I have a feeling this game is going to be full of halfback passes and overall crazy plays.[/QUOTE]

I agree - especially considering Parcell's newfound love for the flea-flicker. Didn't Dallas burn KC for a TD on a flea-flicker? And didn't we get burned for a TD on the same play in the first game?

Maybe my memory is blurred and I just have nightmares of Jones turning to toss the ball back to Bledsoe, our entire secondary biting on it and then Glenn or Johnson wide open downfield...::shudder::

:dallas:

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[QUOTE=mheisig]I agree - especially considering Parcell's newfound love for the flea-flicker. Didn't Dallas burn KC for a TD on a flea-flicker? And didn't we get burned for a TD on the same play in the first game?

Maybe my memory is blurred and I just have nightmares of Jones turning to toss the ball back to Bledsoe, our entire secondary biting on it and then Glenn or Johnson wide open downfield...::shudder::

:dallas:[/QUOTE]

And if I remember correctly they burned us on a flea flicker or HB pass last year when we played them here.

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Yeah..this guy talkin' trash got my ire up. 5rings, you are the exception to the rule and are always welcome due to the fact that you know how to chat with intelligence and class. This little punk just signed up here and made one post of nonsense and then skidaddled.
This game is gonna be a barn burner! The old days of the rivalry are back, baby!!! :dallas: :dallas: :dallas:

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This game is the biggest of the year for both teams without a doubt.

If Washington wins, they own sole possesion of second in the NFC East because they own the tie-breaker over Dallas. Also it puts them is position for the NFC Wild Card because of that tie-breaker. Dallas cannot afford to loose this week. This is even a bigger game than the KC game.

However if Washington looses, then that puts them 2 games out of the wild card race with 2 games to play, and even if they win out against New York and Philly, they would still need help from other teams to have a prayer at the post season. Tampa, Atlanta and Carolina would have to loose thier final two games for WAshington to have a chance at the Wild-Card.

Both teams play-off aspirations will be at stake. The winner has a legitimate shot at the Wild-Card, while the loser will most likely watch the play-offs on TV like the rest of us.

My concern is the matchup on the left side. In week 2 Dallas had a Pro-Bowl Tackle there with Flozell Adams. Adams went down Oct 16th and is out for the season. Torrin Tucker is starting at LT and he is not near as good as Adams.

Greg Williams is really good at disguising biltz packages and I think that Tucker may get burned.

When these 2 defensive coordinators square off, there is not a lot of scoring. GOnna be a nail biter. The game will be decided in the 4th quarter, and with the depth that Dallas has on the defensive front, it gives them the edge because of thier ability to rotate defenders and keep players rested for the later quarters. This will be the deciding factor.

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CRT3...WAZZUP? Just thought I would drop by for a spell.

Although keying on Portis and Moss sounds like the thing to do for the Dallas defense, we will have to see how that pans out.

I think the key to this game is not Portis, or Julius Jones or Moss. I think the player to watch this weekend is Keyshawn Johnson.

With the Redskin secondary being dinged up, Greg Williams will devise a series of blitz packages to bring the heat to Beldsoe. With consistent pressure from the front 7, that will force early releases and errant throws, and that will make even a mediocre DB look good.

In week 2 we had Flozell Adams at LT. He went down for the season in October, and Torrin Tucker is starting at LT. Williams will try and exploit this, and he will try and exploit the rookie RT, Rob Pettiti. So I expect the Redskins to blitz for most of the game to force early throws and get Bledose out of rythm. I think Witten will be kept in the backfield to help block most of the day and he won't get many touches.

But, with an injured secondary, Bledsoe will look to quick slants to Keyshawn to move the chains. That is Johnsons bread and butter, and what he does best. And with back-up DB's covering a seasoned Keyshawn, that could hurt the Redskins all day long. A quick slant to Keyshawn to beat the blitz will cause the Redskins defense to back off a bit and rely on the front 4 to put pressure on Bledsoe. And if that happens, then MBII and JJ get in the act and Witten too.

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What has Taylor Jacobs ever shown any of us to make us think this is the game he will "step up"? The guy is a bust. Put in Antonio Brown running a fly pattern everytime and wear out their DBs.

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We all know that the Cards and the Rams were bad teams, but I have been excited by Portis's running the pass couple of games. If we can keep that up and maybe win the turnover battle (something we have not done all year, don't hope for it) The Skins can win a close game. I kind of think Dallas has a little more talent than our beloved Skins right now, but Bledsoe fumbles just like Brunell, so maybe we will get to him this time.

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[QUOTE=scowan]We all know that the Cards and the Rams were bad teams, but I have been excited by Portis's running the pass couple of games. If we can keep that up and maybe win the turnover battle (something we have not done all year, don't hope for it) The Skins can win a close game. I kind of think Dallas has a little more talent than our beloved Skins right now, but Bledsoe fumbles just like Brunell, so maybe we will get to him this time.[/QUOTE]


Portis has run well the past couple of games like you said, but that was against the Cardinals and the Rams. Arizona is #18 against the run and gives up an average of 113 ypg and St Louis is way down at #30 surrendering an abysmal 136 ypg. So running on those two defenses is not that hard to do.

LJ rang up 143 against Dallas last weekend, and that dropped the Cowboys to #13 against the run. This is a guy that averaged over 135 per game for the past 4 or 5 games too. Says a lot about the KC O-Line, which is far superior to either Dallas or Washington.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]What has Taylor Jacobs ever shown any of us to make us think this is the game he will "step up"? The guy is a bust. Put in Antonio Brown running a fly pattern everytime and wear out their DBs.[/QUOTE]

Ironically, the Skins could have drafted Anquan Boldin when the OBC and The Danny opted for Jacobs. Wouldn't Boldin look great in burgundy and gold about now. If Jacobs continues to come up small in this crucial stretch, you really have to question his chances of returning next year. Now is his time to stand up and be counted.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]CRT3...WAZZUP? Just thought I would drop by for a spell.

Although keying on Portis and Moss sounds like the thing to do for the Dallas defense, we will have to see how that pans out.

I think the key to this game is not Portis, or Julius Jones or Moss. I think the player to watch this weekend is Keyshawn Johnson.

With the Redskin secondary being dinged up, Greg Williams will devise a series of blitz packages to bring the heat to Beldsoe. With consistent pressure from the front 7, that will force early releases and errant throws, and that will make even a mediocre DB look good.

In week 2 we had Flozell Adams at LT. He went down for the season in October, and Torrin Tucker is starting at LT. Williams will try and exploit this, and he will try and exploit the rookie RT, Rob Pettiti. So I expect the Redskins to blitz for most of the game to force early throws and get Bledose out of rythm. I think Witten will be kept in the backfield to help block most of the day and he won't get many touches.

But, with an injured secondary, Bledsoe will look to quick slants to Keyshawn to move the chains. That is Johnsons bread and butter, and what he does best. And with back-up DB's covering a seasoned Keyshawn, that could hurt the Redskins all day long. A quick slant to Keyshawn to beat the blitz will cause the Redskins defense to back off a bit and rely on the front 4 to put pressure on Bledsoe. And if that happens, then MBII and JJ get in the act and Witten too.[/QUOTE]

Sandtrap, my man you sound like a smart dude.

Like your analysis.

I think it will be ball control allllll dayyyyy longgggg by the Cowboys cause BP isn't worried about the quick strike offense of Washington.
I worry about Daniels. He had a good game against us last time.

If the game comes down to Key, then that has top favor Dallas.
Once again for all the Skins fans who didn't see. I am predicting
Big D 27 - Skins 13.

I will be here all week before and after the game.

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]What has Taylor Jacobs ever shown any of us to make us think this is the game he will "step up"? The guy is a bust. Put in Antonio Brown running a fly pattern everytime and wear out their DBs.[/QUOTE]

Whatever did Patrick Crayton show last year to ever make us think he was going to break out? That is why they play the games and we are watching, because somebody who knows more than us thinks they can make a play. Try to rain on my parade all you want, but somebody is going to step up in my poor pathetic Redskins fan mind and help us win this game and nobody will convince me different until they actually do lose the game. It just takes one play, one stumble, one step for someone to be the hero and someone be the terd. If you can't get up for this game or even think something positive of your team something is seriously wrong as a fan of the Skins. No team in the NFC is playing that great with the exception of Seattle and guess what we beat them, who cares if it was a missed field goal, we lost many on last plays or drives all year.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister]Ironically, the Skins could have drafted Anquan Boldin when the OBC and The Danny opted for Jacobs. Wouldn't Boldin look great in burgundy and gold about now. If Jacobs continues to come up small in this crucial stretch, you really have to question his chances of returning next year. Now is his time to stand up and be counted.[/QUOTE]

Boldin would look better, but true he was Surrier guy and not a need at the time, but what they called the best available player at the time.

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[QUOTE=skins052bgr8]Whatever did Patrick Crayton show last year to ever make us think he was going to break out? That is why they play the games and we are watching, because somebody who knows more than us thinks they can make a play. Try to rain on my parade all you want, but somebody is going to step up in my poor pathetic Redskins fan mind and help us win this game and nobody will convince me different until they actually do lose the game. It just takes one play, one stumble, one step for someone to be the hero and someone be the terd. If you can't get up for this game or even think something positive of your team something is seriously wrong as a fan of the Skins. No team in the NFC is playing that great with the exception of Seattle and guess what we beat them, who cares if it was a missed field goal, we lost many on last plays or drives all year.[/QUOTE]

Listen, if you can't admit that Taylor Jacobs is a complete and total bust then fine, but don't tell me something is wrong with me as a fan because I call a turd a turd. Honesty is better than blind optimism any day of the week.

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Sorry I do not see Dallas scoring 27 on the road against the 'SKins defense. Coupled with Tucker on the left and Pettiti on the right, the play calling will (unfortunately) be ultra-conservative again.

If you notice the only time that Parcells "opens up the playbook" is at home in Texas Stadium. If he is going to have Bledoe throw the ball in excess of 30 times this weekend it will be in front of a very loud and hostile crowd. That is just programming our young tackles for failure by them getting numerous false starts from the noise and having to pass block.

I think MB3 gets most of the carries in the first half, and then when he has softened up the defense, Julius will come in late in the third quarter, fresh and rested.

Low scoring affair when these two defensive coordinators square off.

Dallas 13 Washington 10

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Why can't all Dallas fans be like this guy? A classy Dallas fan who roots for his team while being respectful.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the exact same thing, but DAMMIT we don't compliment Dallas fans, even the nice, classy ones during Skins-Cowgirls week! At least wait until Monday to tell 5RINGS what a class-act he is.

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TAYLOR JACOBS IS GONNA BE A STUD FOR THE SKINS!!! TAKE IT TO THE BANK! The question is when (The answer...hopefully this weekend)

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Personally I'm not ready to write TJ off as a complete bust.

Other than Moss and Cooley, nobody in this offense has received many looks.

Patten didn't see many balls go his way, and we assumed it was all on him.

Now TJ isn't getting many looks, and again we assume it must be him.

Perhaps Brunell is just so locked in on Cooley and Moss that the #2 WR isn't getting a fair shake. I think it's fair to say that could be the case. If Moss and Cooley are the first two options, then technically TJ or Patten are then the #3 WR and most #3 WR's in this league don't rack up huge numbers.

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Sunday the...

:hitfan:


for the Ratskins!

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Flea Flicker anyone? :headbange

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Revenge will be sweet!

I agree largely with sandtrapjack. Both teams will rely on their defenses. Both defenses will show up as well. I think both teams will stuggle on offense, but in the end Burnell's declining play will give the Cowboys the win.

Oh, and Roy gets a safety!

Dallas 15
Ratskins 10

Bad Snyder, bad.
:spank:

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[QUOTE=22stillrocks]Sunday the...

:hitfan:


for the Ratskins![/QUOTE]

Be honest now, what were you thinking the Tuesday before our Week 2 game?

Tell the truth YOU BAD BOY ... :spank:

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[QUOTE=mooby]yeah we can't get tired in the fourth. I view this as an even matchup, and i feel like the difference will be the fans. if we can get loud, we can disrupt their offense, and motivate our defense.[/QUOTE]

damn i was hoping NOT to get a heart attack in this game.

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Well, if Fraygeelay steps up and has a big game then I will start a Thread on Mon. morning saying I was completely wrong and he is a viable WR in this league. I doubt that's gonna happen, but ya never know. I think he's been given every opportunity to make it in this league, but for those darn hangnail injuries, he'd be in the Pro Bowl.

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[QUOTE=22stillrocks]in the end Burnell's declining play will give the Cowboys the win.[/QUOTE]

hmm...I seem to recall alot of talk about Brunell's decline and aging arm shortly before he scorched your secondary for 2 TDs in under a minute and a half.

Oh, and wasn't that your Ring of Honor night too?

:lol:

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This dude is from Miami! I would be willing to bet you have never been to Dallas a day in your life, have you? Did your uncle stay at a motel 6 there back in 85? Your cousin went to Baylor? Your best friend in Jr. High was Troy Aikman's second cousin? Sorry, not good enough. You know, whether we win or lose doesn't really matter, cos we'll still be real fans and you'll still be a bandwagon jumping little johnny come lately, and no amount of superbowls will ever change that.

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i think it was john Thompson that said yesterday how pathetic it is that the cowboys are crying about getting revenge and the only thing the cowboy fans are saying is we are "gonna get revenge". We beat you once, you beat us 15 or whatever, we don't have a leg up on you until we win atleast two in a row. We are out for revenge for all those years compared to the cowboys and the two plays they have been crying over and eating icecream to like a dumped junior high girl. The SKINS ARE OUT FOR REVENGE AND THE DALLAS FANS ARE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING, REVENGE WILL BE TAKEN

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There is nothing to get revenge about from my standpoint. Revenge...what revenge?

Point in fact is Dallas lost that game by two terrible secondary defensive schemes and they beat themselves. Brunnel just took advantage of the blown coverage, as he should have.

Don't you think Bledsoe would have done the same thing if given the same opportunities that was given to Brunnel?

Too much on the line in this game to call it REVENGE. This is a game that will decide the playoffs for both teams. The winner will be a serious wild-card contender, and the loser will be on the outside of the playoff picture looking in.

This is not a grudge match, it is a game for survival after week 17.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]
Point in fact is Dallas lost that game by two terrible secondary defensive schemes and they beat themselves. Brunnel just took advantage of the blown coverage, as he should have.

Don't you think Bledsoe would have done the same thing if given the same opportunities that was given to Brunnel?
[/QUOTE]

fool you once, shame on us. fool you twice, same exact spot, same exact situation....you suck


yes, Bledsoe would've done the same thing except for the fact our defense doesn't suck.


:headbange :dallas:

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[QUOTE=gortiz]Be honest now, what were you thinking the Tuesday before our Week 2 game?

Tell the truth YOU BAD BOY ... :spank:[/QUOTE]
A Smiley War has broken out!!

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]Sorry I do not see Dallas scoring 27 on the road against the 'SKins defense. Coupled with Tucker on the left and Pettiti on the right, the play calling will (unfortunately) be ultra-conservative again.

If you notice the only time that Parcells "opens up the playbook" is at home in Texas Stadium. If he is going to have Bledoe throw the ball in excess of 30 times this weekend it will be in front of a very loud and hostile crowd. That is just programming our young tackles for failure by them getting numerous false starts from the noise and having to pass block.

I think MB3 gets most of the carries in the first half, and then when he has softened up the defense, Julius will come in late in the third quarter, fresh and rested.

Low scoring affair when these two defensive coordinators square off.

Dallas 13 Washington 10[/QUOTE]

Sand my man, I am not as rational as i usually am this week. I got massacred here after that Monday night defeat, and can't wait for this GAME TO START!!

I say 27 because the Skins interior line has been decimated by injury. I think we get 27 running the ball over our guards. I believe that both starting DT's for Wash are O-U-T. We have two runing backs that Parcells has a deegree of confidence in.

Also. Williams Defence is a system that the team has bought into, it is not based on freestyling and Athletic Ability. I like our chances of burning that system the second time around.

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:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

I just ripped off somebody, but I forgot who.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]fool you once, shame on us. fool you twice, same exact spot, same exact situation....you suck


yes, Bledsoe would've done the same thing except for the fact our defense doesn't suck.


:headbange :dallas:[/QUOTE]


OK guy point taken, but to say the Dallas defense sucks is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.

The Washington defense is ranked #9 in the NFL and Dallas Defense is ranked #10. The only thing that seperates the two [b]is LESS THAN 2 YARDS of total yardage allowed[/b]. Dallas has allowed an average of 300.7 ypg and the Redskins defense has allowed 298.8 ypg. That is only a 1.9 yard difference over 13 games. If you do the math over 13 games the Dallas defense has [u]only allowed 4 INCHES (not yards or feet, but INCHES) more per game[/u] than that of the Washington defense.

Dallas defense has allowed only 1/10th of a yard (.1) more in rushing than the Washington defense for the season.

Dallas defense has only allowed 1.8 yards more per game passing than that of Washington for the season.

Take it a bit further, the Redskins have allowed an average of 18.9 points per game whereas the Dallas defense has allowed and average of 17.9 points per game. I say this because games are won by POINTS and not yards, as was evident in week 2.

These defenses are the closest there is stat-wise in every category that they are almost identical.

So to say the Dallas defense sucks, well you better take a long hard look in the mirror.

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This should be a good game, I will call it great only if the Skins can pull it off!!!

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[QUOTE=saden1]Ever since the Skins exposed the Cowboys secondary every team they played tried the same deep ball pass. Hell, KC ran the same play this past Sunday and scored a TD. The Cowboys usually stuff the line with R. Williams and if they do, I'm betting we toss the ball to Santana or Cooley. I mean, they can't take all our weapons out...and if Jacobs ever manages to get up for a game it just might be this one.[/QUOTE]

Dallas had a phase where the deep ball plagued them, but that problem has been resolved

On defense attach Dallas on the edge where Tucker and Petitti reside.

Each is good for giving up a sack or 2 a game.

Line up Griffin over Al Johnson all game and let him overpower Johnson

While Moss will have the most yards receiving, Chris Cooley needs to lead the Skins in receptions--his ability to keep the chains moving and as a quality redzone target is invaluable.

Dallas, under Mike Zimmer, has historically struggle covering the TE

Utilizing the FB in the passing game could also present a problem

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[QUOTE=illdefined]fool you once, shame on us. fool you twice, same exact spot, same exact situation....you suck


yes, Bledsoe would've done the same thing except for the fact our defense doesn't suck.


:headbange :dallas:[/QUOTE]

ill, you have a hard hitting SS who has questionable coverage skills also,
gonna be a great game.

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true, we have weaknesses in defensive personnel just like any other team.

it's just our D-coordinator knows better than to not compensate for a broken scheme right after its been exploited :biggthump

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[QUOTE=illdefined]true, we have weaknesses in defensive personnel just like any other team.

it's just our D-coordinator knows better than to not compensate for a broken scheme right after its been exploited :biggthump[/QUOTE]

Ill I don't think you can call our defense weak seeing as fans from both teams have pointed out that they are virtually identical in terms of yards allowed and ranking.

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]Ill I don't think you can call our defense weak seeing as fans from both teams have pointed out that they are virtually identical in terms of yards allowed and ranking.[/QUOTE]

nah like i said - i was really just digging at your d-coordinator. the same play twice against the same defense must be d-coordinator taboo rule #1. i'm sure he's learned his lesson since then (unfortunately)..

i'm sure it will be a :duel: