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EXACTLY!

I've been saying that at least once in every thread dealing with the situation. The truth is, both QBs played pretty well, Brunell was marginally better. But if you're talking to Gibbs, he'd say Brunell managed the game well and did what he had to do. He made the throws he was supposed to make and handed the ball of the rest of the game. Pretty much Brunell put us in a position to come out with the lead for that field goal. It wasn't Brunell that called for us NOT to go for it on 4th and 1.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Ok I guess we've now moved on to overanalyzing Brunell's 70 yards passing.

Could it be the fact that the running game was grinding away so well that we didn't see the need to air things out?

Could it be the fact that Brunell was inserted to an offense who's gameplan was geared towards another QB?

Moss turned a nice catch and run into a 52 yard gain for Ramsey, the throw was on target but let's face it Moss did the majority of the work. Take that away and Ramsey was a much more pedestrian 5 of 10 for 53 yards.[/QUOTE]

even if you take away the value of Ramsey hittin his receiver in stride or in a position to move upfield (as opposed to Brunell's "safe" dink/dunks), then that's 53 yds in 3 drives vs. 70 in 3 quarters. how many drives was that? i agree the running game got it going by then, but Ramsey didn't have that luxury.

i agree Brunell (a left-hander as Brud expertly pointed out) coming into a system set up for another QB lowered the offense's efficiency. think one week of practice can overcome months of offseason?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Ok I guess we've now moved on to overanalyzing Brunell's 70 yards passing.

Could it be the fact that the running game was grinding away so well that we didn't see the need to air things out?

Could it be the fact that Brunell was inserted to an offense who's gameplan was geared towards another QB?

Moss turned a nice catch and run into a 52 yard gain for Ramsey, the throw was on target but let's face it Moss did the majority of the work. Take that away and Ramsey was a much more pedestrian 5 of 10 for 53 yards.[/QUOTE]I heard a Quote somewhere from Gibbs saying that the o we played against the bears will not be the same o we play against Dallas. I think Gibbs felt he could win in a low scoring game if we played smart football (no turnovers, fumbles etc..).A good example is not going for the TD when we were 4th and short. He did not want to open up the play book more than he had to giving Parcells less game film to watch. We made alot of changes on the O side of the ball this year but I saw very little of that in their opening game. I think Gibbs game planning was one game past the Bears who he did not look past but showed very little. Gibbs knows how big of a game this is for our team and how much of a boost it would be if we could pull out a win in Dallas. Dallas had a tougher game and we will have plenty of game film to watch.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]I heard a Quote somewhere from Gibbs saying that the o we played against the bears will not be the same o we play against Dallas. I think Gibbs felt he could win in a low scoring game if we played smart football (no turnovers, fumbles etc..).A good example is not going for the TD when we were 4th and short. He did not want to open up the play book more than he had to giving Parcells less game film to watch. We made alot of changes on the O side of the ball this year but I saw very little of that in their opening game. I think Gibbs game planning was one game past the Bears who he did not look past but showed very little. Gibbs knows how big of a game this is for our team and how much of a boost it would be if we could pull out a win in Dallas. Dallas had a tougher game and we will have plenty of game film to watch.[/QUOTE]

NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAKINGS OF A TRUE GENIUS!!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Could it be the fact that the running game was grinding away so well that we didn't see the need to air things out?

Could it be the fact that Brunell was inserted to an offense who's gameplan was geared towards another QB?[/QUOTE]

While I'm sure Brunell with throw for more than 70 yards against Dallas, I disagree that he's a efficient "game manager". As I said before, if the Skins go down more than 14 points in a game, it's game over because Brunell does not have the tools to pass them back into the game.

And as good as Portis looked Sunday, it's going to get a lot harder for him to run when teams realize he's our only offense, and start stacking 8 in the box.

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[QUOTE=ladyfan06]NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAKINGS OF A TRUE GENIUS!![/QUOTE]

There's a key on your keyboard that reads 'Caps Lock', please press it just once before your next post.

Thank you.

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Really you are underestimating Brunell. Did you WATCH last week's game? Seriously. He threw some intermediate passes and completed them when he needed to.

And about managing the game,I believe that he threw the ball away when he needed to AND showed some mobility by running out of the pocket and completing some passes.

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[QUOTE=ladyfan06]NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAKINGS OF A TRUE GENIUS!![/QUOTE]

Hallelujah! Someone actually understands Gibbs and his phenomenal strategy to beating those no good lousy tuna smelling Cowbitches. No turnover. No film footage. I can't wait.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]Hallelujah! Someone actually understands Gibbs and his phenomenal strategy to beating those no good lousy tuna smelling Cowbitches. No turnover. No film footage. I can't wait.[/QUOTE]


As if parcells doesn't know every move Gibbs will make, Parcells knows Gibbs better than Gibbs knows Gibbs.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]yeah, and he won the same amount of games as Brunell did in 9. why is Brunell held in any regard? because of his distant past (in player terms)?

do you really think the differences in preseason account for betting TWO seasons on Brunell?[/QUOTE]


We might want to add to that that 3 of Ramseys games came against 2 of the best teams in the NFL Philli, and Pitt, and a playoff team in the vik's.


As for this pre-seaon justification for Brunell, HOGWASH!

Why did Gibbs name Ramsey his starter at the end of the regular season last year? Because he clearly outplayed Brunell when the games counted, we also heard how Ramsey starated to come on the last couple of games, we heard that all off season.

So now we are to believe after the chicago game where the Gibbs apologists have conjured up the latest excuse that we only won by 2 points and scored no TD's because Gibbs wanted it that way, because he didn't want anyone to know how we are going to just overwhelm Parcells and the Boy's with a game plan against one of the greatest coaches to ever grace the field in the NFL, so to do that we leave a team in the game and we are not a big play away, we are a decent play away from losing by a field goal? :stop:

Then these same people want to judge the pre season and start Brunell, as if Gibbs opened up the offense in the pre-season only to shut it down in the regular season, we already are finding out that in a regular season game WR's are running the wrong routes, nobody believes that the same was taking place in the pre season, while everyone got used to each other as well as a new system?

Those who don't learn from their mistakes are prone to repeat them.

Brunell beats out Ramsey last season and starts 9 games and proceeds to play the position quite possibly worse than anyone in the history of the NFL for 9 games.

Ramsey comes in and faces the toughest part of our schedule and wins the starting job as per the coaches statement with his play.

Then the pre season hits and Brunell is so overwhelming with his PRE-SEASON performance :laughing2 Gibbs can't wait to make the switch, he proceeds to throw for 70 yds. and direct the team to 3 big time field goals in almost 3 quarters of play, now Gibbs has a gut feeling, yea I have a gut feeling as well, GUESS?

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[QUOTE=offiss]we already are finding out that in a regular season game WR's are running the wrong routes, nobody believes that the same was taking place in the pre season, while everyone got used to each other as well as a new system?[/QUOTE]

How come whenever I, Matty, and others bring up players getting used to each other as well as a new system (and not only that, there was also an entirely new coaching staff) last season when Brunell was QB it's shot down "Oh Mark Brunell, all he does is dink and dunk, he sucks"

But then when it's Ramsey, suddenly it's all about WR's running wrong routes, players getting used to each other, new system. I don't know, I suppose if I was a genius like Ramsey allegedly is, I'd have the answer

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[QUOTE=illdefined]even if you take away the value of Ramsey hittin his receiver in stride or in a position to move upfield (as opposed to Brunell's "safe" dink/dunks), then that's 53 yds in 3 drives vs. 70 in 3 quarters. how many drives was that? i agree the running game got it going by then, but Ramsey didn't have that luxury.

i agree Brunell (a left-hander as Brud expertly pointed out) coming into a system set up for another QB lowered the offense's efficiency. think one week of practice can overcome months of offseason?[/QUOTE]

well, i think everything's been said thats had to be said in this mother of all arguments. i would still like some opinions (or facts even) on the above unanswered question though.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]How come whenever I, Matty, and others bring up players getting used to each other as well as a new system (and not only that, there was also an entirely new coaching staff) last season when Brunell was QB it's shot down "Oh Mark Brunell, all he does is dink and dunk, he sucks"

But then when it's Ramsey, suddenly it's all about WR's running wrong routes, players getting used to each other, new system. I don't know, I suppose if I was a genius like Ramsey allegedly is, I'd have the answer[/QUOTE]


Very simple Brunell had and I repeat 9 games [REGUALR SEASON GAMES], to gain continuity, with 11 weeks of practice as the #1 QB with his WR's and regressed as a QB, Ramsey has had 1 quarter, and was progressing within that very game before Gibbs gave him the hook.

Why is it that Ramsey isn't given the same opportunity this year as Brunell last year? It's not like Brunell is 24 years old, he is not the future, yet Ramsey is the one being treated like he's over the hill.

Anyone who wants to equate pre-seaon games with regular season games is just being foolish, no way you can simulate the game speed in the pre-season, especially under Gibbs, what did G. Williams do last off season? He put our defensive players in situations so that they would fail, yet how did that work out, we were far better in the regular season than the pre-season.

Where was Porits all pre-season? You don't think Gibbs was running plays to look at other players and evalute some the players around Ramsey, are you telling me Gibbs was coaching and creating continuity and calling the proper plays to accomplish that in the P-S, we already have people saying he's hiding our game plans in the regular season, your going to tell me he wasen't running a vanilla offense at BEST in the P-S? Your obviously entitled to your beliefs, that's more than fine by me, we are all different, but no way I am buying into it.

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Today is Thursday, and I started reading all these Ramsey Vs. Brunell post's on Monday and I'm still not finished yet. Different threads, but all the same information, some like Sonny, some like Billy and we could just go on and on and on, but I don't think Gibbs will change his mind based on what we think. The very best we can do is support whoever is behind Center and "hope" we can win some football games.

What's most confusing about listening to all the various accounts relative to Ramsey Vs. Brunell is that even a blind man could have seen this coming, that's why it shouldn't come as such a great shock to anyone. Neither was this decision based on what happened in the course of the game against the Bears on Sunday. If you have listened to Gibbs closely he stated his decision was based on the overall situation, and much of that has to do with things we don't see therefore we can't comment on. I'm throughly convinced Gibbs decision to change QB'b was not all about Ramsey's performance in Sunday's game, hence we can forget about that Ramsey didn't have a fair chance senerio. Those of us famaliar with Gibbs know it's not just about how many passes you complete or for how many yards, it's about the ability to "lead" and manage a football game.

Let's rally around whoever our QB is because if we consider ourselves true fans, we rocognize the fact they're going to need our support. When George Allen was coach here I recall at one time him making the statement and I quote "When you have two QB's you don't any" It only serves to divide the team. I pray that our team is not as divided over this as many of our posters seem to be.

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Neither ramsey or brunell looked superb in the bears game. Gibbs definitely did not base his decision to change QBs on that one game alone, so I really see no point in talking about who did better. From what I have seen in the preseason (and preseason is all we can judge them on since our offense this year is nothing like our offense last year) ramsey is capable of getting big chunks of yards by throwing the ball deep but i think everyone can agree that he is about as inconsistent as it gets. Remember the cincy game? Sure, he put up over 150yds in one half but how many point did we score with him in there? The point is that costly turnovers outweigh gaining a bunch of yardage and ramsey has always been prone to throwing ints and standing too long in the pocket, leading to a high number of sacks and even some fumbles.

Our offense is much different than it was last year and brunell has not gotten an opportunity to be a part of it. A lot of people say that the only reason brunell did good in the preseason was because he was going against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Well, wasnt he working with our 2nd and 3rd string offense too? If the argument has been made that he would have done worse had he played against 1st team defenses, isnt it logical to belive he would have done better with our first team offense? I dont know about you guys but to me, throughout the whole preseason, brunell just looked much more comfortable out there. He throws the ball with a lot more zip on it than last year and he also seems more mobile as well. What makes everyone think that he cant get the ball downfield while ramsey can? Our offensive gameplan was a lot more mellow when brunell was in there but we still moved the ball efficiently. I just think that its unfair to say that all brunell can do is "dink and dunk" while ramsey can sling it around as he pleases. That really doesnt seem like an accurate statement. I agree that ramsey was on a short leash but has he really shown that he can be a quality starter in the NFL? I am not saying that I like brunell better than ramsey but what I am saying is that we need to look at this objectively and see where gibbs is coming from. I do not think ramsey is a better QB than brunell. If gibbs feels more comfortable having brunell be his QB than brunell should be in there.

With our defense and running game, we dont need a manning, or mcnabb, or culpepper, or anyone close to that caliber. We need a QB who can manage the game, complete a high percentage of his passes, doesnt turn the ball over, and has the ability to open up the passing game when necessary. I see know reason why brunell doenst fit that description.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]Today is Thursday, and I started reading all these Ramsey Vs. Brunell post's on Monday and I'm still not finished yet. Different threads, but all the same information, some like Sonny, some like Billy and we could just go on and on and on, but I don't think Gibbs will change his mind based on what we think. The very best we can do is support whoever is behind Center and "hope" we can win some football games.

What's most confusing about listening to all the various accounts relative to Ramsey Vs. Brunell is that even a blind man could have seen this coming, that's why it shouldn't come as such a great shock to anyone. Neither was this decision based on what happened in the course of the game against the Bears on Sunday. If you have listened to Gibbs closely he stated his decision was based on the overall situation, and much of that has to do with things we don't see therefore we can't comment on. I'm throughly convinced Gibbs decision to change QB'b was not all about Ramsey's performance in Sunday's game, hence we can forget about that Ramsey didn't have a fair chance senerio. Those of us famaliar with Gibbs know it's not just about how many passes you complete or for how many yards, it's about the ability to "lead" and manage a football game.

Let's rally around whoever our QB is because if we consider ourselves true fans, we rocognize the fact they're going to need our support. When George Allen was coach here I recall at one time him making the statement and I quote "When you have two QB's you don't any" It only serves to divide the team. I pray that our team is not as divided over this as many of our posters seem to be.[/QUOTE] I agree with you a hundred percent

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Once and for all, I'm not a Ramsey hater nor am I a Brunell lover.

The team comes above all.

I don't hold Brunell in any higher regard than I do Ramsey, but to me it seems that a lot of people are holding Ramsey in high regard or why else does everyone seem so eager to dismiss his inconcistency and turnovers while damning Brunell in the same breath. They're both pretty similar in terms of suckiness. (is that a word? I dunno sounds good though)

They both STUNK last year. But Brunell appears to be the lesser of the two evils right now.[/QUOTE]

they both stunk last year, but brunell clearly stunk more, I think that's about it.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]they both stunk last year, but brunell clearly stunk more, I think that's about it.[/QUOTE]

Brunell was clearly the worst qb last season. He was throwing passes into the ground 5 ft in front of his recivers...he just looked AWFUL. People are worried about seeing that Mark Brunell QB our team again this year.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Brunell was clearly the worst qb last season. He was throwing passes into the ground 5 ft in front of his recivers...he just looked AWFUL. People are worried about seeing that Mark Brunell QB our team again this year.[/QUOTE]

The key is last year.

People don't seem to be worried that we'll see the same Brunell this year, they seem firmly convinced they will and are giving him zero chance for improvement.

That's what I take issue with.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The key is last year.

People don't seem to be worried that we'll see the same Brunell this year, they seem firmly convinced they will and are giving him zero chance for improvement.

That's what I take issue with.[/QUOTE]

having low expectations for significant improvement in a 35 year old QB who we saw much of last season isn't unreasonable.

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I guess we'll find some answers on Monday.

Thank god.

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There have been several QB's that come to mind who didn't reach their maxium potential until their mid 30's. One of our Superbowl MVP's was well into his 30's, so I guess some save the best for last.

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didnt gannon break out just before retirement age?

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[QUOTE=VishsSkins]Neither ramsey or brunell looked superb in the bears game. Gibbs definitely did not base his decision to change QBs on that one game alone, so I really see no point in talking about who did better. From what I have seen in the preseason (and preseason is all we can judge them on since our offense this year is nothing like our offense last year) ramsey is capable of getting big chunks of yards by throwing the ball deep but i think everyone can agree that he is about as inconsistent as it gets. Remember the cincy game? Sure, he put up over 150yds in one half but how many point did we score with him in there? The point is that costly turnovers outweigh gaining a bunch of yardage and ramsey has always been prone to throwing ints and standing too long in the pocket, leading to a high number of sacks and even some fumbles.

Our offense is much different than it was last year and brunell has not gotten an opportunity to be a part of it. A lot of people say that the only reason brunell did good in the preseason was because he was going against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Well, wasnt he working with our 2nd and 3rd string offense too? If the argument has been made that he would have done worse had he played against 1st team defenses, isnt it logical to belive he would have done better with our first team offense? I dont know about you guys but to me, throughout the whole preseason, brunell just looked much more comfortable out there. He throws the ball with a lot more zip on it than last year and he also seems more mobile as well. What makes everyone think that he cant get the ball downfield while ramsey can? Our offensive gameplan was a lot more mellow when brunell was in there but we still moved the ball efficiently. I just think that its unfair to say that all brunell can do is "dink and dunk" while ramsey can sling it around as he pleases. That really doesnt seem like an accurate statement. I agree that ramsey was on a short leash but has he really shown that he can be a quality starter in the NFL? I am not saying that I like brunell better than ramsey but what I am saying is that we need to look at this objectively and see where gibbs is coming from. I do not think ramsey is a better QB than brunell. If gibbs feels more comfortable having brunell be his QB than brunell should be in there.

With our defense and running game, we dont need a manning, or mcnabb, or culpepper, or anyone close to that caliber. We need a QB who can manage the game, complete a high percentage of his passes, doesnt turn the ball over, and has the ability to open up the passing game when necessary. I see know reason why brunell doenst fit that description.[/QUOTE]


No reason????? Obviously you didn't own a TV last season!

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Matty; As bad as Brunell looked last year, throwing passes short of the receivers, in the dirt, in the stands, just awful, Ramsey still could not get off the pine. Just think about that for a minute: Any coach in any league anywhere in the world would have benched him, but Gibbs stuck with him despite how badly he was playing because he knew his options were limited. Brunell's terrible play was an indictment of what little faith Gibbs had in Ramsey, and he wouldn't have taken Brunell out when he did except for fear of mutiny at Fed-X on Sundays. It's really sad to think a coach would tolerate that kind of play before going to his first alternative.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]There have been several QB's that come to mind who didn't reach their maxium potential until their mid 30's. One of our Superbowl MVP's was well into his 30's, so I guess some save the best for last.[/QUOTE]

the general idea is that Brunell's maximum potential has already come (and gone), while Ramsey hasn't yet come close..

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]Today is Thursday, and I started reading all these Ramsey Vs. Brunell post's on Monday and I'm still not finished yet. Different threads, but all the same information, some like Sonny, some like Billy and we could just go on and on and on, but I don't think Gibbs will change his mind based on what we think. The very best we can do is support whoever is behind Center and "hope" we can win some football games.

What's most confusing about listening to all the various accounts relative to Ramsey Vs. Brunell is that even a blind man could have seen this coming, that's why it shouldn't come as such a great shock to anyone. Neither was this decision based on what happened in the course of the game against the Bears on Sunday. If you have listened to Gibbs closely he stated his decision was based on the overall situation, and much of that has to do with things we don't see therefore we can't comment on. I'm throughly convinced Gibbs decision to change QB'b was not all about Ramsey's performance in Sunday's game, hence we can forget about that Ramsey didn't have a fair chance senerio. Those of us famaliar with Gibbs know it's not just about how many passes you complete or for how many yards, it's about the ability to "lead" and manage a football game.

Let's rally around whoever our QB is because if we consider ourselves true fans, we rocognize the fact they're going to need our support. When George Allen was coach here I recall at one time him making the statement and I quote "When you have two QB's you don't any" It only serves to divide the team. I pray that our team is not as divided over this as many of our posters seem to be.[/QUOTE]

Very well said and 100% true!

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[QUOTE=LadyT]You're right. Every Ramsey basher has pointed to his TOs, but none of them has talked about Brunell's 9 TOs in 9 games last year. Why is this seen as a Ramsey problem? Brunell is guilty of the exact same thing.[/QUOTE]



Your right, the one pick we now know came because the reciever ran the wrong route and the second fumble should have been a 15 yard penalty.

Nobody is thinking about the future here! Campbell wont be ready for 2-4 years and Brunell who I have tremedous respect for does not have much left.
Patrick is in the stage of his career where he needs to play through his mistakes to get bettter. (He was starting to settle down and get comfortable in the pocket and build confidence.) There is no better team to do it with. We have the BEST defense in the league and a running game that is awesome if we dont have to face 8 men in the box 90% of the time.

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[QUOTE=offiss]No reason????? Obviously you didn't own a TV last season![/QUOTE] I already said that our offense last year was much different than it is this year. I dont think its fair to write off brunell just based on last year's performance because our offense as whole needed a ton of improvement.

He did show all those traits that I mentioned in the preseason, didnt he? Why dont you think it can carry over into the regular season?

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[QUOTE=VishsSkins]I already said that our offense last year was much different than it is this year. I dont think its fair to write off brunell just based on last year's performance because our offense as whole needed a ton of improvement.

He did show all those traits that I mentioned in the preseason, didnt he? Why dont you think it can carry over into the regular season?[/QUOTE]

I think he can, hopefully... but last year he didn't.

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[QUOTE=Hail to the Redskins]Let's just throw this out there..

Ramsey starts the game 1 for 4 for 4 yds, INT...

he then goes 5 for 7 for 101 yards (not bad AT ALL!) BUT...

if the bogus penalty on Cooley wasn't called it becomes 6 for 8 for 107 yds, TD. AND don't forget Portis drops a VERY catchable ball in there that would have been a 7 yarder which would have made him 7 for 8 for 114yds, TD after his first 4 attempts. I'd say that's damn good for ANY quarterback in the NFL in their first REAL action of the season after getting warmed-up (first 4 attempts).

[/QUOTE]

That thought has crossed my mind as well. Ramsey Started off as a stinker like he had all preseason, but seemed to get better as he went along.

The key to all this thing is if Mark Brunell has his physical ability back. If he can throw the ball deep again, like he hinted at in the preseason with his play, and if he can move around and make plays while taking care of the football and make smart decisions then I would guaruntee we have a shot at the play offs.

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[QUOTE=VishsSkins]I already said that our offense last year was much different than it is this year. I dont think its fair to write off brunell just based on last year's performance because our offense as whole needed a ton of improvement.

He did show all those traits that I mentioned in the preseason, didnt he? Why dont you think it can carry over into the regular season?[/QUOTE]


Very simple who did he do it against? 2nd string players in games that don't count, how was his pre-season last year? He won the job didn't he? And guess what he was horrible, I also didn't see anything against the bears to make me believe he's any different, 3 FG's, and 70 yds, I would like to know the last QB who threw for less than 100 yds in 5 of his last 6 games as Brunell has? I will even let you inc. rookies anyone you please, my guess is you might find a candidate in Boller and that's it.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Very simple who did he do it against? 2nd string players in games that don't count, how was his pre-season last year? He won the job didn't he? And guess what he was horrible, I also didn't see anything against the bears to make me believe he's any different, 3 FG's, and 70 yds, I would like to know the last QB who threw for less than 100 yds in 5 of his last 6 games as Brunell has? I will even let you inc. rookies anyone you please, my guess is you might find a candidate in Boller and that's it.[/QUOTE]

maybe in the combined awfulness of the bears offense over the last years?