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[quote=punch it in;1373284]With a real quarterback and KK’s scheme I have two words.
DEAD LY[/quote]

i agree motivated for a new contract, here we come philly

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[quote=Chico23231;1373327]Would love to us flip Jon Allen for a 6th rounder now and claw back a late round pick[/quote]

going to be a challenge to trade him with his cap #

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[quote=GridIron26;1373328]The 5th round pick we gave up is actually from Saints via Lattimore trade. In other words, we got Lattimore and Samuel for 3rd, 4th and 6th round picks.[/quote]

Can't hate that value at all.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1373319]You can't extend two wr's for 3 years that are 30 or approaching 30. That's just bad business. I'm going to extend Terry because he is the type of WR that plays a less physical style. He's probably going to play longer than Debo I feel. Hoping they get something done w/ Dymai but I doubt that happens.[/quote]

I agree with Chief, you can and probably should. I see no reason to trade a draft pick for a one year rental when there are other wrs you can get to do the same, minus the running element. THAT would be bad business in my mind. The only way you trade picks is for a keeper, otherwise, you screwed up

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[QUOTE=WCommandersfan99;1373326]I don't see who anyone can watch this and not get excited about him. His is shifty, wiry, and VERY strong. Excellent yac. He is one of the best receivers I've seen for breaking tackles. Honestly just a pretty unique offensive weapon in the most complimentary way. He will be a stud when healthy. Excited about bringing him on.[/QUOTE]


He was healthy for 15 games last year and 15 games the year before. That is pretty good. I can think of alot of our own players who weren’t.

He is the perfect weapon for KK’s offense. All the misdirection. I cannot wait to see him plugged in.

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[quote=punch it in;1373335]He was healthy for 15 games last year and 15 games the year before. That is pretty good. I can think of alot of our own players who weren’t.

He is the perfect weapon for KK’s offense. All the misdirection. I cannot wait to see him plugged in.[/quote]

Well he played in those games, credit for that, but he's one of those guys constantly on the injury list each week. When he's 100% he's definitely a beast.

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[quote=skinsnut;1373333]I agree with Chief, you can and probably should. I see no reason to trade a draft pick for a one year rental when there are other wrs you can get to do the same, minus the running element. THAT would be bad business in my mind. The only way you trade picks is for a keeper, otherwise, you screwed up[/quote]

Let's just say for the sake of argument that you extend Terry and Debo, both on 3 year deals. That would mean you would have a ton of money tied up to 2 30 year old wr's for a few more years. One of which is coming off a 51 catch 670 yard season. Why would you do that? I can get Debo's production from a lot of guys and pay them way less and keep my 5th rounder.

If Sk69 is GM Peters, my $ is going on defense. I already have a top 5 offense, but I can't stop the Lions or Eagles. Isn't Milton Williams and Zach Baun free agents? Doubt Philly can keep both. These are the types of guys I'm trying to get. Not a 29 year old WR coming off an average, subpar year.

And to be clear, I don't hate this move. It's just not my first choice. The guys I mentioned would be.

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I'd let Deebo play this year out. If he's a flop you move on, if he produces you worry about a new deal next year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1373338]Let's just say for the sake of argument that you extend Terry and Debo, both on 3 year deals. That would mean you would have a ton of money tied up to 2 30 year old wr's for a few more years. One of which is coming off a 51 catch 670 yard season. Why would you do that? I can get Debo's production from a lot of guys and pay them way less and keep my 5th rounder.

If Sk69 is GM Peters, my $ is going on defense. I already have a top 5 offense, but I can't stop the Lions or Eagles. Isn't Milton Williams and Zach Baun free agents? Doubt Philly can keep both. These are the types of guys I'm trying to get. Not a 29 year old WR coming off an average, subpar year.

And to be clear, I don't hate this move. It's just not my first choice. The guys I mentioned would be.[/quote]

I agree our problem is defense. It would be nice to have 2 solid receivers on long term deals is all I am saying, but I think I may change my tune on deebo based on learning he performs best in contract years. The risk there is he does great this year and we lose him to free agency, but as I now understand it, we may be able to recoup a compensoratory pick if so, so perhaps this truly is a one year rental. If so, we need another receiver, just not an expensive one. I just want a LT and defense at this point, and resign our star punter. Tress Way is the best!

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[quote=MTK;1373340]I'd let Deebo play this year out. If he's a flop you move on, if he produces you worry about a new deal next year.[/quote]

Now that I hear he puts on weight and is less effective when not motivated, I now agree with this. We need another deep threat, unless we think we can resign one of our own that can do this. Ideally a Big deep threat on the outside. Jaydens endzone fades are a thing of beauty

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[QUOTE=MTK;1373337]Well he played in those games, credit for that, but he's one of those guys constantly on the injury list each week. When he's 100% he's definitely a beast.[/QUOTE]


True. At the end of the day all I am saying is I expect 2023 from him not 2024.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;1373342]Now that I hear he puts on weight and is less effective when not motivated, I now agree with this. We need another deep threat, unless we think we can resign one of our own that can do this. Ideally a Big deep threat on the outside. Jaydens endzone fades are a thing of beauty[/QUOTE]My guess is he comes here highly motivated. And JD5 will get the most out of him.

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It's an A. AP knows him, it's a big upgrade at #2. No way they extend the deal off a down year, it's not really in either side's interest.

There is a way someone gives up a 6th for allen's contract; we literally just did it for deebo. It'd have to be a team with spare cap space and an empty DT spot though.

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If we’re going to get 3 more good years out of him, I think we’ll need to use him a little more carefully than SF, where they worked the hell out of him. His expected shelf life has been looking more like a RB’s than a WR’s. But just the threat of him opens up new playbook tricks for KK — doesn’t always have to be the ball carrier.


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[quote=HTTR;1373356]If we’re going to get 3 more good years out of him, I think we’ll need to use him a little more carefully than SF, where they worked the hell out of him. His expected shelf life has been looking more like a RB’s than a WR’s. But just the threat of him opens up new playbook tricks for KK — doesn’t always have to be the ball carrier.


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Exactly. I really never liked how SF was almost using him as a RB. Get him the ball in space on some short passes and let him create, instead of slamming into the teeth of the defense. I think we'll be smart in that area.

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Yeah, look at how KK used Ekeler in space. I can't see him bashing him on the rock of NFCE D lines.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1373357]Exactly. I really never liked how SF was almost using him as a RB. Get him the ball in space on some short passes and let him create, instead of slamming into the teeth of the defense. I think we'll be smart in that area.[/quote]

To be fair, they use Samuel as RB only whenever their RBs are injured, which happened often. Samuel did commented about how he doesn't like it when the team use him as RB due to the toll it takes on his body. I don't blame Kyle for using Samuel as RB simply because Samuel is good at it, but then I imagine this is one of the reasons why he wanted to leave the team.

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the z flowers might be the most impressive one but its probably attributed to his speed

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With him and JD on the field the defenses will all be “which way did he go”[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o7aCTPPm4OHfRLSH6/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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I was reading through this thread from start to finish and thinking everybody's missing the point, until I saw this. Leave it to the boss, he'll put his finger on it.

Deebo has been the #1 WR in Yards After Catch in the entire NFL for a long time now.

2020: 12.1 YAC, 1st in the NFL
2021: 10.0 YAC, 1st in the NFL
2022: 8.8 YAC, 1st in the NFL
2023: 8.8 YAC, 1st in the NFL
2024: 8.3 YAC, 1st in the NFL

Down year sure, but still one of the best at this particular skill. We were not great in this category in 2024.

Deebo's size and aggressive style forces secondaries to roll coverage at him and prevent him from getting into open space. Even when they did he was still tough to bring down as evidenced by the stats above. Some of his stats are Shanahan's scheme, he's next level at getting guys running open but Kliff is pretty good with it too.

Secondaries are going to have to honor the Deebo threat. It will free Terry more often and the slot (Luke?) and the TE should find themselves with more opportunities to operate in space.

Very good move.

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I was listening to Whitner who does media for the 49ers. Basically said some of the stuff that is already out there. He needs to lose some weight and get in better shape if he wants to play longer. And that he had issues getting separation from man coverage.

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[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/comments/1j2q7ky/lifelong_49ers_fan_indepth_review_on_deebo_samuel/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button"]Good fan breakdown from a 49ers fan on reddit[/URL]

Hey all, happy Deebo going to a team I like and some 49ers ties with Adam Peters running the personnel and very creative OC that can design plays for him to get the ball in space. I've watched every minute of 49ers football since like 2010 probably and deep dive into some of the game film stuff. I'm far from an expert but I'm fair, honest, and quite knowledgeable for a guy that sits at a desk for a living. Seen a lot of football at this point and here's my analysis:

When Deebo is at his best:

PROS

+ Tone setter. "Dawg' attitude. A bully. Few players in my 40 years as a 49ers fan have made me feel like i could lift a truck after watching some of his plays. He will get the crowd and team going and can be both thunder and lightning. Just a fucking badass and an absolute menace when he gets going.

+ Incredible contact balance and run after catch ability. An absolute playmaker. Truly unique and elite with the ball in his hands. I don't throw around "elite" if i don't mean it, but in his ability to break the initial tackle and bully through arm tackles in open space against DB-types and even most linebackers, he's special, different, 1-of-1, whatever you want to say.

+ dual threat. He can play tailback and get 5-6 YPC, take reverses to the house, etc. Can create matchup nightmares in the backfield especially in 3-4 WR sets because defense has to lineup with more DBs and be lighter in the box, but then he shifts to tailback and can take run as effectively as most running backs. Watch any of his highlight reels on youtube and you'll see how he's able to take the ball behind the line of scrimmage and send it for a house call.

+ edit: He has better hands than people might say online IMO. He's had concentration drops for sure, but has also made spectacular contested catches and leaping grabs as well. I wouldn't say his hands are amazing, but also some 49ers fans thinks he's got bricks for hands which is untrue.

OK if he's so good how come the 49ers were willing to trade him for a day 3 pick and eat considerable salary. Well ... it's complicated. 1. Purdy money. I have a feeling most outside SF think Purdy is worse than he is, and most 49ers fans think he's better than he is but the truth is he will get paid and they need to trim back as they have 2 high-priced WRs, Bosa, Warner, CMC, Trent Williams (hey thanks for that guy!) all making a lot of money. They can only pay so many. Also, as much as I love deebo, he's imperfect...

CONS

- You love the physical nature of his game and his ability to bruise anyone willing to come across him, but it's come at a price. His last truly healthy season was 4 years ago in 2021. He essentially put the team on his back that year all the way to a crushing NFCCG loss to the eventual champion Rams. He made some plays that year that were all-timers. If you get anything near this version of Deebo, Washington could be an unstoppable offense. I would never question Deebo's heart as he will play through injury but it's felt like he's always nursing something since that '21 season. Hamstring, Calf, Ribs, shoulder, etc. Just watch Netflix's "Receiver" and you'll see the punishment he's put himself through. Last year's season got derailed when he got a bad case of pneumonia of all things before week 3. He was the talk of camp coming into '24, looked to be in good shape, had lost weight, everyone commented how fast he looked in preseason how he was going to be the star of the offense after the Brandon Aiyuk contract saga, etc etc. And then he got Pneumonia and you saw him breathing from oxygen tanks for like a month+ after that on the sidelines whenever he made a play. He just didn't look like himself for like the middle 10 weeks of the season.

- When he's right, his effort with the ball in his hand is truly second to none in today's NFL. He will not stop fighting for extra yards. You just don't see physicality at the WR position like that. That said, when the ball is not in his hands, he can be at times almost laughably lacking. Blocking wise he's hit or miss. When he's not the main target you can see on game film he takes many plays off or gives a horseshit effort. Is that a huge deal? Idk. It's not like Kyle Shanahan doesn't see the game film lol, you know he sees it, but clearly they've reached some sort of agreement that they're fine with him getting a breath so he can be at his best with the ball in his hand. But it's undeniable that there's a stark difference when you see Aiyuk shredding dudes for CMC down the field and Jauan Jennings taking souls into the gatorade cooler. All their WRs do that, except Deebo.

- Biggest deficiency is he is just rough against man coverage. Teams like the chiefs who play their DBs physical at the line have had a lot of success limiting Deebo. He has trouble getting separation in the pass game and his route running is 100% below average. Just not technical. I would rank him behind BA, Jennings, Kittle, and even CMC in terms of route running and precision. His best routes are screens, deep overs, crossing routes, but all his big plays are on play action crosses/posts, bubble screens, and running game designed. This is why he needs to go to the right place and Washington is definitely a team that is excellent in the screen, RPO game and from some gamefilm i've seen, Daniels is undersold as an assassin in the intermediate game as well.

Final word

If he's healthy and motivated you have a dynamic difference maker who's truly awesome with the ball. He is/was one of my favorite 49ers in the last 20 years and we've had a lot of great players in that time. I would say at his peak, the 2021 season he reached Frank Gore levels of 49er fandom love. He showed glimpses of his old self at the end of the year against the Dolphins, but for much of the season he was kinda awful if i'm being honest. A key drop with the season on the line against the Rams late in the season after he went to the media saying he didn't get the ball enough was kind of the nail in the coffin for most fans. Talking shit and then coming up flat is just such a bad look. Reports have since come out that he got out of shape in-season thanks in part to the illness he had. Hopefully he is not that, I would love to see him back to form in Washington's exciting offense. I would just say temper your expectations. You're unlikely getting the 1st team all-pro from '21, but rather a gadget guy who can help create space for McLaurin and your off-brand McCaffrey (sorry lol, he's good just had to make the joke). That's fine though, the price was reflected in that and the upside could be a return to the 2023 guy who had 1100 scrimmage yards and helped lead the team to a deep playoff run.

His best game which i'm sure you'll love is when he went full beast mode against the Eagles in '23.

Good luck!

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That was a great read.


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