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we are all arm chair QBs

Adam Peters is a professional and one the best at his job

Adam decide to trade SH for basically a wash or slight upgrade and the only team to draft him was us in the 5th round by a notoriously bad talent evaluator in RR

that is all you need to know about SH chances of being a franchise QB; he will be a solid back up for yaers and honestly that is pretty damn good for a 5th rounder

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[quote=mredskins;1360422]we are all arm chair QBs

Adam Peters is a professional and one the best at his job

Adam decide to trade SH for basically a wash or slight upgrade and the only team to draft him was us in the 5th round by a notoriously bad talent evaluator in RR

that is all you need to know about SH chances of being a franchise QB; he will be a solid back up for yaers and honestly that is pretty damn good for a 5th rounder[/quote]

A fair enough statement, I don't think anyone thought he was a franchise QB, but of the 32 starting QBs in the league he wasn't the worst but arguable in the bottom 5 or 10. But QBs of any type are valuable assets, especially those on 5th round rookie contracts. Destined to be a good backup for the next ten years, but teams who don't have a top QB, or a chance of drafting one, will always overpay for the Sam Howells of this world.

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Poor return. Good luck in Seattle sam and for us - do something with the picks

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360423]A fair enough statement, I don't think anyone thought he was a franchise QB, but of the 32 starting QBs in the league he wasn't the worst but arguable in the bottom 5 or 10. But QBs of any type are valuable assets, especially those on 5th round rookie contracts. Destined to be a good backup for the next ten years, but teams who don't have a top QB, or a chance of drafting one, will always overpay for the Sam Howells of this world.[/quote]

Oh there are some here that had him in the HoF already

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Part of me wishes they would have kept Sam rather than sign Marcus. It's probably only because I was hoping he would work out. But obviously the new staff valued Marcus (at up to $10 mil) over Sam (at less than $1 mil), and that says all you need to know.

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i will finish my thoughts up on this .. right now we got MM. We will draft a QB and we are one play from MM as our 24 starter . i hope the rookie is a home run and stays healthy (we could have not signed Marcus .. kept Sam and see what the Rookie has) .. i'm not a fan of MM ..at all

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360419]He had his knee injured in his rookie season because his OLine couldn't block, by Jon Allen if I recall. Missed a large part of the season. They then started putting major resources into building the OL. Who knows how that will effect the longevity of his career.[/quote]


The point remains a bad OL didn't ruin him, and you are speculating that the injury was a direct result of that poor OL when we don't know that.

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Pretty funny that Sam was a hotter commodity than justin fields.

Multiple teams were in on Sam trying to make a trade

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360410]Adding picks to move up to 1? [emoji848]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

And find a better OT, I assume? When you replace a young, cheap, durable QB who may have some upside with Mariota for a little bit more draft capital, I'd say your your theory has legs.

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Basically got the equivalent of a late 3rd/early 4th for Sam, I think that’s a slam dunk win for this trade

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I agree with some of you, that I'd rather have Sam than Mariota...however they are backups at the end of the day. If they hit on the QB in the draft, it won't matter. An improved 3rd and a 5th round picks were much better than just a 6th like the Pats got for Jones. Both have had some flashes of good and very bad.

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[quote=Redskins247;1360443]I agree with some of you, that I'd rather have Sam than Mariota...however they are backups at the end of the day. If they hit on the QB in the draft, it won't matter. An improved 3rd and a 5th round picks were much better than just a 6th like the Pats got for Jones. Both have had some flashes of good and very bad.[/quote]

i rather sam on the field i rather marcus in the qb room holding the new qb's hand through the basics of nfl life

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[quote=Chico23231;1360438]Pretty funny that Sam was a hotter commodity than justin fields.

Multiple teams were in on Sam trying to make a trade[/quote]

FWIW

Sources: BREAKING NEWS #CTESPN

Chicago Bears front office wanted to take Caleb Williams and trade Justin Fields. But the whole team made it known that Justin was their QB.

The Bears are attempting to trade the #1 pick. If price isn’t right then they will look at WR.

Antonio Brown

Before we all laugh he called the Henry to Ravens before it happened

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360445]FWIW

Sources: BREAKING NEWS #CTESPN

Chicago Bears front office wanted to take Caleb Williams and trade Justin Fields. But the whole team made it known that Justin was their QB.

The Bears are attempting to trade the #1 pick. If price isn’t right then they will look at WR.

Antonio Brown

Before we all laugh he called the Henry to Ravens before it happened[/quote]

at this point fields is a better NFL QB then CW and a known commodity and loved by his team

so...do you run with him trade back and give him more to work with; harrison jr probably the best player in the draft

they like us have many holes to fill

i think us trading up would be super risky

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The only problem is, they may only like one of these three QBs, and the only way you can guarantee you get him is to trade up. Otherwise, you risk NOT getting your guy, and either settling for one of the other QBs you aren't as excited about, or whom doesn't exactly fit the plan/scheme, or rolling with MM...which obviously isn't an option...

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[quote=mredskins;1360446]at this point fields is a better NFL QB then CW and a known commodity and loved by his team

so...do you run with him trade back and give him more to work with; harrison jr probably the best player in the draft

they like us have many holes to fill

i think us trading up would be super risky[/quote]

Bears lost all leverage now tho.

They have 4 picks in the entire draft.

We could trade them #2 and a 2 other picks and a next yr pick

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360448]Bears lost all leverage now tho.

They have 4 picks in the entire draft.

[B]We could trade them #2 and a 2 other picks and a next yr pick[/B][/quote]

That's a lot, just to move up one slot..

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Fuck moving up the bears will have plenty of suitors or take Harrison. That's prolly been the smoke screen plan along hence letting mooney walk ... who knows

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Commanders get: 2024 third-round pick and 2024 fifth-round pick
Seahawks get: Howell, 2024 fourth-round pick, 2024 sixth-round pick

Commanders' grade: B
Seahawks' grade: B+

The Seahawks started the day with only Geno Smith under contract at quarterback. Now the Seahawks have a potential challenger to Smith as their starting QB.

A fifth-rounder in the 2022 draft, Howell played 17 games for the Commanders last season. In an odd twist, he netted one draft asset (No. 78 overall) that is higher than his original draft slot (No. 144).

After a red-hot start, Howell faded down the stretch before being benched for Jacoby Brissett, only to return to action after an injury to the veteran.

Howell ended the season with 21 touchdown passes to 21 interceptions, was sacked 65 times and completed 63.4% of his passes for a QBR of 42.4 -- No. 24 in the league. An offense marred by poor offensive line play and Howell's inexperience ultimately led to a complete regime change in Washington.

Now he's in Seattle, where new offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb may be looking to spice up the offense.

Smith, returning for his third season as Seattle's starter, was No. 23 in the league in air yards per attempt at 7.0 yards. Grubb, who comes to the Seahawks from the University of Washington, loves the deep ball. Interestingly enough, Howell's QBR of 98.2 on outside deep routes was fourth best in the league. Fun fact: Smith had the NFL's worst QBR in the same situations (2.6).

If Grubb plans to bring his three-wide, vertical offense from Washington to the Seahawks, Howell's deep ball touch and power are actually good fits.

For Washington, all signs should now firmly point to selecting a quarterback at No. 2 overall if they didn't already.

The Commanders signed veteran Marcus Mariota and have Jake Fromm on the roster. With the second overall pick in a draft that could potentially have four quarterbacks selected in the top 10, GM Adam Peters can go get his quarterback. And he now has some extra draft capital to build a team around that signal-caller, as this trade gives Washington six of the top 100 picks.

And maybe, just maybe, that's enough draft capital to entice Chicago to switch places so the Commanders can pick hometown quarterback Caleb Williams at No. 1 overall? -- Miller

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This is what I think:
A full assessment of the top 3 QBs in the draft have been completed. The new FO is Rick solid on who they will pick at 2. They will not move up. They are completely sold on Maye or Daniels as our franchise QB.
Why do I suggest this?
If they weren't sure, and wanted to hedge their bets, they keep a cheap developmental piece in Howell. They traded him and signed a typical lame backup.
What about a trade up?
It is still possible, but if they weren't Rick solid on #2, no way they would have made those moves. If they are all chips in in #2, why would they trade Anything to go to #1, when we need 2 Tackles? Makes no sense.
For such a strategy as conservative with all the free agents signings, the Quarterback move was all chips in on #2. This is a high confidence move
An outrageous possibility would be they already have a vet trade tagged in writing for our QB starter, but that is hard to fathom.
So the good news here is, the new FO has done extensive homework and has no doubts who their next QB is, anything they say to the contrary is BS.
I am glad, but a bit scared

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Definitely a bit scared.

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[quote=skinsnut;1360462]This is what I think:
A full assessment of the top 3 QBs in the draft have been completed. The new FO is Rick solid on who they will pick at 2. They will not move up. They are completely sold on Maye or Daniels as our franchise QB.
Why do I suggest this?
If they weren't sure, and wanted to hedge their bets, they keep a cheap developmental piece in Howell. They traded him and signed a typical lame backup.
What about a trade up?
It is still possible, but if they weren't Rick solid on #2, no way they would have made those moves. If they are all chips in in #2, why would they trade Anything to go to #1, when we need 2 Tackles? Makes no sense.
For such a strategy as conservative with all the free agents signings, the Quarterback move was all chips in on #2. This is a high confidence move
An outrageous possibility would be they already have a vet trade tagged in writing for our QB starter, but that is hard to fathom.
So the good news here is, the new FO has done extensive homework and has no doubts who their next QB is, anything they say to the contrary is BS.
I am glad, but a bit scared[/quote]

My dick gets rick solid every time I talk about Howell.

Sorry, couldn't let that autocorrect slide!

Things are even simpler than that.
Howell is the ex girlfriend that mom loved.
We will have a new love interest next month and don't need mom screwing up thanksgiving by comparing the ex to the new GF. Relationship is over.

Shular/Frerotte
RG3/Cousins

We can get a new side piece in the draft to go along with our top pick.

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i will say if they draft CW you won't hear anything from me .. i'll be elsewhere. Jamf hated Sam from day one ..and he can feel anyway he wants and voice it all he wants .. good for Jamf he has his convictions and stayed true !! i have same about CW and i don't care how well he plays .. i can't stand him and never will ! so i hope it's Daniels !

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[quote=rocnrik;1360467]i will say if they draft CW you won't hear anything from me .. i'll be elsewhere. Jamf hated Sam from day one ..and he can feel anyway he wants and voice it all he wants .. good for Jamf he has his convictions and stayed true !! i have same about CW and i don't care how well he plays .. i can't stand him and never will ! so i hope it's Daniels ![/quote]

If he comes in and wins ROY and we win 11 games you will change tune lol

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[quote=skinsnut;1360462]This is what I think:
A full assessment of the top 3 QBs in the draft have been completed. [B]The new FO is Rick solid on who they will pick at 2. They will not move up.[/B] They are completely sold on Maye or Daniels as our franchise QB.
Why do I suggest this?
If they weren't sure, and wanted to hedge their bets, they keep a cheap developmental piece in Howell. They traded him and signed a typical lame backup.
What about a trade up?
It is still possible, but if they weren't Rick solid on #2, no way they would have made those moves. If they are all chips in in #2, why would they trade Anything to go to #1, when we need 2 Tackles? Makes no sense.
For such a strategy as conservative with all the free agents signings, the Quarterback move was all chips in on #2. This is a high confidence move
An outrageous possibility would be they already have a vet trade tagged in writing for our QB starter, but that is hard to fathom.
So the good news here is, the new FO has done extensive homework and has no doubts who their next QB is, anything they say to the contrary is BS.
I am glad, but a bit scared[/quote]

This is all well and good until some other team trades up to number one and picks the quarterback they are Rick solid on.

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[quote=Meks;1360463]Definitely a bit scared.[/quote]

Why? He wasnt Brady

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1360472]This is all well and good until some other team trades up to number one and picks the quarterback they are Rick solid on.[/quote]

I assume they're happy with at least 2 players, so it doesn't matter what happens at 1.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1360476]Why? He wasnt Brady[/quote]

It's always gonna be unnerving as fans when your #2 pick has to ball out or you'll be fielding...... Marietta. Not enough return for Sam who I'd put out there over MM every day and twice on Sundays.

I don't think the hype is real ok these top 3 qbs, either, like most other years, qbs over drafted and over hyped.

Is what it is, hope for the best.

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After 17 games Sam got us to the #2 pick.

I wouldn’t be scared.

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[quote=That Guy;1360490]I assume they're happy with at least 2 players, so it doesn't matter what happens at 1.[/quote]

Maybe, but all 3 of them are so different from each other. It doesn't make a ton of sense that they would just be happy to settle for whoever is there. It's possible, but I think I would rather them be locked in on one guy because he fits what they want to do.

Wish the draft was this weekend...

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[quote=MTK;1360500]After 17 games Sam got us to the #2 pick.

I wouldn’t be scared.[/quote]

In my opinion EB & RR got us to the # 2 pick.

The compensation we received for SH was pretty decent though. I don't hate the trade.

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[quote=MTK;1360500]After 17 games Sam got us to the #2 pick.

I wouldn’t be scared.[/quote]

Yea let's not pretend he acted solely in that wonderful season we had lol.. but more so I'm taking howell>MM ... MM being the security blanket is what's most scary.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1360503]In my opinion EB & RR got us to the # 2 pick.

The compensation we received for SH was pretty decent though. I don't hate the trade.[/quote]

Ron, EB, Sam, they all played a role.

I get that circumstance weren’t ideal for Sam, but they rarely are and you have to make do with what you’ve got. He took way too many sacks and threw too many picks, just too many negative plays. I like him and think he can play a little but he’s probably best suited as a backup and spot starter. Too many limitations in his game that get exposed over 17 games. I thought the trade compensation was more than fair.

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[quote=Meks;1360463]Definitely a bit scared.[/quote]

nvm

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[quote=MTK;1360505]Ron, EB, Sam, they all played a role.

I get that circumstance weren’t ideal for Sam, but they rarely are and you have to make do with what you’ve got. [B]He took way too many sacks[/B] and threw too many picks, just too many negative plays. I like him and think he can play a little but he’s probably best suited as a backup and spot starter. Too many limitations in his game that get exposed over 17 games. I thought the trade compensation was more than fair.[/quote]

This has been a consistent issue with him, even before the NFL. The O-line wasn't great, and the play calling was even worse, but you would think if there was ever a season he could shake the propensity to hold onto the ball too long, it would have been last season.

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It’s funny how SFRedskin has not even touched this thread

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[quote=mredskins;1360511]It’s funny how SFRedskin has not even touched this thread[/quote]

it really kind of is hilarious

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[quote=Meks;1360497]It's always gonna be unnerving as fans when your #2 pick has to ball out or you'll be fielding...... Marietta. Not enough return for Sam who I'd put out there over MM every day and twice on Sundays.

I don't think the hype is real ok these top 3 qbs, either, like most other years, qbs over drafted and over hyped.

Is what it is, hope for the best.[/quote]

So if the Texans felt this way about CJ Stroud and Davis Mills they would have been called stupid right?

sounds like youre convincing yourself that Sam Howell is something he just isnt.

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people fall in love with mediocre QBs all the time, we saw it with cult brennan, patrick ramsey, colt mccoy, etc.

we flipped a 5th rounder into a high 4th/low 3rd and got some cheap years of service. The bears took the #11 overall pick and got significantly less. (part of this is that low completion % tends to mean bad nfl qb)

We're getting a huge upgrade, and if SH works out decently in seattle, that's great for him/them. he has lower end starter potential, he's actually pretty good on bombs, can make some things happen, but the time to release and reading defenses part needs a lot of work.

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Last month who would have thought the Skins would have gotten more for Howell that the Bears would for Fields?