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[quote=AnonEmouse;1360865]We've signed Michael Deiter C, presumably as interior depth. Still puzzling that they haven't signed even 1 starting quality T. They've got to be going for at least 1in the draft, but there's no guarantee you'll get a value guy still there in Rd 2. [B]Can't help thinking they're going to try to trade back up into the mid to late 1st, and draft a starting LT.[/B][/quote]

I'd be down with that. If we can come out of the 1st with Daniels/McCarthy/Maye and Tyler Guyton (I want another athletic OT from OU), I would be pretty pumped up.

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Deiter played Guard at Wisconsin - next to Center Tyler Biadasz.

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Think it reflects that they have no investment in Stromburg and its very likely they did not have him rated that high when he came out. They will give him a chance to compete but making sure they have good options. Interestingly, and it is draft season, during interviews today, Peters stated he was comfortable with C.Lucas or T Scott starting at LT this year.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360872]Think it reflects that they have no investment in Stromburg and its very likely they did not have him rated that high when he came out. They will give him a chance to compete but making sure they have good options. [B]Interestingly, and it is draft season, during interviews today, Peters stated he was comfortable with C.Lucas or T Scott starting at LT this year.[/B][/quote]

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1360865]We've signed Michael Deiter C, presumably as interior depth. Still puzzling that they haven't signed even 1 starting quality T. They've got to be going for at least 1in the draft, but there's no guarantee you'll get a value guy still there in Rd 2. Can't help thinking they're going to try to trade back up into the mid to late 1st, and draft a starting LT.[/quote]

Who in FA exactly are you expecting them to sign? There's just not much there.

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[quote=That Guy;1360880]Who in FA exactly are you expecting them to sign? There's just not much there.[/quote]

Don't really see us signing a possible starting OT until after the draft (some veterans will likely be released when other teams draft OT's).

In an ideal world, w/o reaches, I hope we come out of the 1st 2 rounds with:

1. Franchise QB
2. OT
3. CB or WR

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I would expect QB at 2 and I think Peters could move back into the end of the first round to grab a Tackle.

Get that fifth round option and a better prospect rather than wait in the second.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360872]Think it reflects that they have no investment in Stromburg and its very likely they did not have him rated that high when he came out. They will give him a chance to compete but making sure they have good options. Interestingly, and it is draft season, during interviews today, [B]Peters stated he was comfortable with C.Lucas or T Scott starting at LT this year.[/B][/quote]

That makes one of us. I didn't expect to read that!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1360887]That makes one of us. I didn't expect to read that![/quote]

Peters knows how to play the game properly. Lol at Trent Scott actually starting a game at LT outside of catastrophic injuries. Lucas is actually OK in a pinch for injuries, but he's not starting 17 games.

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[quote=Chico23231;1360882]I would expect QB at 2 and I think Peters could move back into the end of the first round to grab a Tackle.

Get that fifth round option and a better prospect rather than wait in the second.[/quote]

I think they could move up as far as 13 to get a tackle.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1360872]Think it reflects that they have no investment in Stromburg and its very likely they did not have him rated that high when he came out. They will give him a chance to compete but making sure they have good options. Interestingly, and it is draft season, during interviews today, Peters stated he was comfortable with C.Lucas or T Scott starting at LT this year.[/QUOTE]


I can only imagine he is giving depth guys a vote of confidence.

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[quote=nonniey;1360903]I think they could move up as far as 13 to get a tackle.[/quote]

I would hope they don't need to move up that far, that would be expensive.

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[QUOTE=Darrell Green Fan;1360951]I would hope they don't need to move up that far, that would be expensive.[/QUOTE]a 10 year left tackle to protect the rookie qb is worth the draft capital. This is the year to get both the QB and the LT.

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Could Lucas be decent at LT? Honestly when I’ve watched him play it…him and Leno seemed pretty interchangeable.

Both seem like pass pro is their strength…run blocking, both lacking.

I dunno, I’m not as worried with a new scheme. And the worst blocking TE in the league off the team. So if kliff plays 12 personnel like he did at AZ, then Ertz and Sinnot or Bates can stay in and help

Am I crazy? I don’t think the rookie tackle is out there right off the bat, he will have to learn and hopefully surprise to get serious pt.

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I agree with you, I don't think there is big difference between Lucas and Leno. I cannot even remember a game where Lucas played badly whenever Leno was sidelined.

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[quote=Chico23231;1362427]Could Lucas be decent at LT? Honestly when I’ve watched him play it…him and Leno seemed pretty interchangeable.

Both seem like pass pro is their strength…run blocking, both lacking.

I dunno, I’m not as worried with a new scheme. And the worst blocking TE in the league off the team. So if kliff plays 12 personnel like he did at AZ, then Ertz and Sinnot or Bates can stay in and help

Am I crazy? I don’t think the rookie tackle is out there right off the bat, he will have to learn and hopefully surprise to get serious pt.[/quote]

he was way better than leno when he played there last year . . . always seemed serviceable there.

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[quote=Chico23231;1362427]Could Lucas be decent at LT? Honestly when I’ve watched him play it…him and Leno seemed pretty interchangeable.

Both seem like pass pro is their strength…run blocking, both lacking.

I dunno, I’m not as worried with a new scheme. And the worst blocking TE in the league off the team. So if kliff plays 12 personnel like he did at AZ, then Ertz and Sinnot or Bates can stay in and help

Am I crazy? I don’t think the rookie tackle is out there right off the bat, he will have to learn and hopefully surprise to get serious pt.[/quote]

Kliff used a lot of 11 personnel in AZ

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[quote=GridIron26;1362432]I agree with you, I don't think there is big difference between Lucas and Leno. I cannot even remember a game where Lucas played badly whenever Leno was sidelined.[/quote]

Don't remember who said it but someone in the media said Lucas is a solid player who on occasion gets embarrassed badly. That seems like a good description to me. Most of the time I don't notice him for getting beat, but when he does get beat, he gets beat bad.

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[quote=mooby;1362447]Don't remember who said it but someone in the media said Lucas is a solid player who on occasion gets embarrassed badly. That seems like a good description to me. Most of the time I don't notice him for getting beat, but when he does get beat, he gets beat bad.[/quote]

That sounds more like Wylie to me.

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Does anyone think both OT positions will not be priority number 1 and 2 this offseason? Maybe CB and / or S will be up there but I think both OT positions will be 1 and 2/3 as far as glaring holes after this year. That is worrisome going into this year. Can Kliff do damage control with scheme? Sure. Well …. Hopefully, but anyone who is convincing themselves that we will be A- ok is probably in for a rude awakening.

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[quote=punch it in;1362451]Does anyone think both OT positions will not be priority number 1 and 2 this offseason? Maybe CB and / or S will be up there but I think both OT positions will be 1 and 2/3 as far as glaring holes after this year. That is worrisome going into this year. Can Kliff do damage control with scheme? Sure. Well …. Hopefully, but anyone who is convincing themselves that we will be A- ok is probably in for a rude awakening.[/quote]

there were/are alot of holes on this roster, only had finite number resources to solve them in the short term , this is going be 2-3 season rebuild

commanders could have draft joe alt with the number two 2; LT position solved but QB is a problem now

i think the knowledgeable fan on here knows the oline will be a struggle this season

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1362453]there were/are alot of holes on this roster, only had finite number resources to solve them in the short term , this is going be 2-3 season rebuild

commanders could have draft joe alt with the number two 2; LT position solved but QB is a problem now

i think the knowledgeable fan on here knows the oline will be a struggle this season[/QUOTE]


Yeah. AP went above and beyond without breaking the bank. In no way am I insinuating that the off-season was a failure because the oline is still a question mark. Just not going to sugar coat things and think that we can scheme our way around the glaring holes at Tackle. Definitely a 2-3 year rebuild. I hope that JD is not shell shocked after year one.

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So do we trust in AP or think he’s crazy for not doing more to address the OL? 🤔

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He hasn't lost my trust yet. I think it's a combination of - you can't fix it all in one off season, and they probably don't think the OT group is as dire a situation as everyone on here does.

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Trying to fill all our holes in 1 off-season:

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If the guys we drafted in the 1st 3 rounds work-out, then it's fine that they didn't draft more OL that possibly wouldn't have worked out. Newton was by far the best player, smart teams make that pick. Not like we didn't need a TE or all the secondary help we could get, and a new slot receiver to replace Samuel. Plus Coleman was beat up in 2023, he had awesome numbers in 2022. I imagine he is a starter for most of next season somewhere on the line, and a starter when healthy after that for the remainder of his contract, so we likely did add a starting OL as well.

Note - I want that cat.

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[quote=MTK;1362456]So do we trust in AP or think he’s crazy for not doing more to address the OL? 🤔[/quote]

i will believe it when i see it but the faith/trust at the current moment is very shaky.

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[quote=Meks;1362459]i will believe it when i see it but the faith/trust at the current moment is very shaky.[/quote]

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Offseason isn’t over, but I generally don’t believe Lucas will be much of step down from Leno. Yeah, if we have an injury at tackle that make me more nervous.

Hoping for the best

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[quote=Chico23231;1362469]Offseason isn’t over, but I generally don’t believe Lucas will be much of step down from Leno. Yeah, if we have an injury at tackle that make me more nervous.

Hoping for the best[/quote]

I still think we add probably two free agent tackles before the summer is over. To your point, an injury at the tackle position with the current "depth" would be fairly devastating. It's tough enough to envision Lucas & Wylie as the bookend tackles, let alone having to roll out their replacements for any significant amount of time.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1362470][B]I still think we add probably two free agent tackles before the summer is over. [/B]To your point, an injury at the tackle position with the current "depth" would be fairly devastating. It's tough enough to envision Lucas & Wylie as the bookend tackles, let alone having to roll out their replacements for any significant amount of time.[/quote]

I do hope you're right. A bona fide LG would be nice as well. Allegretti is not a starter IMHO.

JD may look great running the football but he does take a lot of sacks. :(

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[quote=punch it in;1362451]Does anyone think both OT positions will not be priority number 1 and 2 this offseason? Maybe CB and / or S will be up there but I think both OT positions will be 1 and 2/3 as far as glaring holes after this year. That is worrisome going into this year. Can Kliff do damage control with scheme? Sure. Well …. Hopefully, but anyone who is convincing themselves that we will be A- ok is probably in for a rude awakening.[/quote]

I think there is still a chance that the rookie can pan out at LT, Then they can invest in free agency for the Rt spot. But I think we all agree it's a position in question.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1362456]So do we trust in AP or think he’s crazy for not doing more to address the OL? [emoji848][/QUOTE]


I think he probably would have liked to do more but he weighed his options in the draft and free agency and made smart business decisions. I think he knows he still has work to do there but the opportunity didn’t arise. Im upset the right opportunity didn’t present itself in the offseason but not upset with Peters at all. Be a fool to not like what he has done.

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I trust AP. He's a doer. I expect him to come up with more veteran help at Tackle before the season opener.

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[quote=davy;1362471]I do hope you're right. [B]A bona fide LG would be nice as well. Allegretti is not a starter IMHO.[/B]

JD may look great running the football but he does take a lot of sacks. :([/quote]

Allegretti was the Chief's starting LG throughout the playoffs and he played well. Since he could do that, I assume that he can start and play well here.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1362475]Allegretti was the Chief's starting LG throughout the playoffs and he played well. Since he could do that, I assume that he can start and play well here.[/quote]

You could have said that about Wylie at tackle last year, we know how that worked out.

:doh:

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[QUOTE=davy;1362476]You could have said that about Wylie at tackle last year, we know how that worked out.

:doh:[/QUOTE]


In 2022 the Chiefs were 17-3 and won the Super Bowl with Wylie. Maybe last year says more about the Commanders than it does about Wylie. And Allegretti never gelled in KC as a starter, so we don’t really know how he might settle in here. In any event, he was stout in pass pro.


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Yeah to compare how players performed on a Superbowl champion with Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes, with a bottom feeder with Ron Rivera and Sam Howell is a little bit silly.

I agree everyone on our roster should be improved under this staff. I would love to fast forward one more offseason though.

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[quote=davy;1362476]You could have said that about Wylie at tackle last year, we know how that worked out.

:doh:[/quote]

What's the "doh" all about? Don't act like I posted something stupid. How Wylie played here last season has nothing to do with how Allegretti might play here this season. I choose to be optimistic about him. Bearing in mind that the LG performance bar is set low by those who played LG here last season, we all should be glad to have him here competing for the job this season.

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Agreed. Just because they played for the same team doesn’t mean anything. Wylie went from top of the world to the depths of hell as far as teams go. Allegretti has the luxury of a more competent situation when he arrived.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1362482][B]What's the "doh" all about? Don't act like I posted something stupid.[/B] How Wylie played here last season has nothing to do with how Allegretti might play here this season. I choose to be optimistic about him. Bearing in mind that the LG performance bar is set low by those who played LG here last season, we all should be glad to have him here competing for the job this season.[/quote]

Sorry, the doh was for how Wylie played, not your post.