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Can't agree by any stretch with "awesome year" but he will go have one now.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1350649]Good. We need to start the rebuild now


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With free agency, and a wise front office and solid coaching staff, a rebuilding job can be done within a season or two.

Chase Young might be a rental for San Fran. Not to mention, I sense with more money freeing up for us; we'll be active in free agency. Hopefully, ownership/ management/coaching staff play things smartly. If they do, then we'll be fine.

Ownership is getting a jump on things and using foresight as the current coaching staff is finito and likely Mayhew.

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[quote=calia;1350717]A third for Chase? Well done SF. Fuck you Ron.


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This is all on ownership, but we need to rebuild.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1350729]You know Young will live up to his status now in SF with better coaching. What a stupid fucking trade, he’s having an awesome year and gave away for nothing.[/quote]

I preferred to keep Young, but understood the Sweat move. The ownership has my trust for now as I do like they're getting an early jump on the off-season per se'.

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If anyone wants a white chase young "redskins" jersey I'm willing to part with it for a ham sandwich

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[quote=Ruhskins;1350748]This is all on ownership, but we need to rebuild.[/quote]

Rebuild my ass!! All we needed was 2 OT, MLB and better coaching. To give away two of the best DE’s is fucking stupid.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1350754]Rebuild my ass!! All we needed was 2 OT, MLB and better coaching. To give away two of the best DE’s is fucking stupid.[/quote]

You knew this was going to happen if the current regime wasn't successful. I don't understand how you expect things to be the same with new ownership and later on a new front office/coaching staff.

Be ready to say bye to Howell as well, since this to me smells like loading on picks to go up for a QB move.

This team has never, ever, ever, done a clean out like this before. But this needs to happen.

This is why I was rooting for this front office/coaching staff to succeed, but alas, they f*cked it up.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1350756]You knew this was going to happen if the current regime wasn't successful. I don't understand how you expect things to be the same with new ownership and later on a new front office/coaching staff.

Be ready to say bye to Howell as well, since this to me smells like loading on picks to go up for a QB move.

This team has never, ever, ever, done a clean out like this before. But this needs to happen.

This is why I was rooting for this front office/coaching staff to succeed, but alas, they f*cked it up.[/quote]

If Howell stays on his his current pace then he's not going anywhere. There's numerous games remaining this season, so he could potentially tail off. As long as he continues to show he can lead this team with better coaching, then he'll stay out.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1350756]You knew this was going to happen if the current regime wasn't successful. I don't understand how you expect things to be the same with new ownership and later on a new front office/coaching staff.

Be ready to say bye to Howell as well, since this to me smells like loading on picks to go up for a QB move.

This team has never, ever, ever, done a clean out like this before. But this needs to happen.

This is why I was rooting for this front office/coaching staff to succeed, but alas, they f*cked it up.[/quote]

I could have seen trading one but not both. If they plan on moving for one of the top QB’s they are going to have to drop some of their newly acquired picks to move up.

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Great trade. I'm happy with it. Better than a conditional 3rd rounder. I think we fleeced the Bears in this trade.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1350758]If Howell stays on his his current pace then he's not going anywhere. There's numerous games remaining this season, so he could potentially tail off. As long as he continues to show he can lead this team with better coaching, then he'll stay out.[/quote]

There's still a lot of football left this season to see whether Howell is a long term answer.

But I find it hard to see a situation where the team keeps losing and everyone is fired, but somehow a new coaching staff/front office regime is going to bet on Howell?

I'm not saying he's going to be cut or anything like that, but so far my early overreaction is that the ownership is setting up the next front office with enough pick to trade up for a QB.

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I hope not because they'll need all the picks they can get with FA to fill the damn holes on this Swiss cheese roster 😅😅😅

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Second and third rounders aren't gonna get you a top quarterback. That will take multiple first rounders for years.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1350774]Second and third rounders aren't gonna get you a top quarterback. That will take multiple first rounders for years.[/quote]

And as they give away picks for possibly a new QB, then there’s less draft picks to fill the holes and paying for FA is not the way to go.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1350774]Second and third rounders aren't gonna get you a top quarterback. That will take multiple first rounders for years.[/quote]

No but if you are trading a 2024 and 2025 first round, along with that extra 2nd and 3rd picks, that gives you ammo for a trade package and still allows you to draft in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Also, this would depend on what our record looks like at the end of the season.

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Mock drafts just got even more fun. I can draft 9 offensive lineman now.

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I like getting rid of CY, but hate that he went to SF where the talent around him will let him take his plays off and still look good especially only getting a late 3rd from them;

I hate getting rid of Sweat and that he is going to a place like Chicago, but I like the trade value and hope the new era starts next season.

Overall I think Toohill showed enough to make a stout line with Allen/Payne. And the picks do give more room to improve our OL/LB corps

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[URL="https://riggosrag.com/posts/ron-rivera-power-officially-wanes-commanders-trade-chase-young"]https://riggosrag.com/posts/ron-rivera-power-officially-wanes-commanders-trade-chase-young[/URL]

RR is being marginalised? Ownership making the decisions? If this is correct, I can't see the point keeping Ron, as he's going to lose the locker room if he hasn't already.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1350782]I like getting rid of CY, but hate that he went to SF where the talent around him will let him take his plays off and still look good especially only getting a late 3rd from them;

I hate getting rid of Sweat and that he is going to a place like Chicago, but I like the trade value and hope the new era starts next season.

Overall I think Toohill showed enough to make a stout line with Allen/Payne. And the picks do give more room to improve our OL/LB corps[/quote]

Sweat’s trade was too good to pass up. Gonna be top half of second round.

5 picks in the first 3 rounds is a great starting point for a rebuild

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[quote=GridIron26;1350650]We got less for Sweat than Giants did for Williams...[/quote]


Top of the 2d versus mid to lower 2d?????? We got more.

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Some good (off the field) press....
[url]https://theathletic.com/5018642/2023/10/31/nfl-trade-deadline-2023-winners-losers-commanders/[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1350754]Rebuild my ass!! All we needed was 2 OT, MLB and better coaching. To give away two of the best DE’s is fucking stupid.[/quote]

That's how I felt. Many of us (although admittedly not all) had some optimism headed into the season while recognizing that OL was not going to be a strength and that we did nothing meaningful on the LB front. Sure it would have been great to have more assets there, but virtually every team has holes somewhere and there's a difference between competing and being a SB contender. I thought we'd least compete, but here it is in fucking October, and we're throwing in the towel on yet another lost year.

I cannot imagine that some of our core players -- Allen, Payne, McLaurin -- are particularly happy right now. Going full rebuild, assuming it takes a few years, means that they've squandered a lot of their careers playing for the fuckwads running this team.

I am so tired of having so little to root for with this team come November. I know, I know -- the stench of Snyder runs deep, RR was the best we could get and he's not a good coach (your record says what you are), etc. But fuck, man -- it is a soul-sucking experience to root for this team (or at least, it has been for the last 25 years; my first 25 years rooting for this team were pretty fun). Is fucking Alice in Wonderland -- jam yesterday and jam tomorrow but never, ever jam today.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1350760]Great trade. I'm happy with it. Better than a conditional 3rd rounder. I think we fleeced the Bears in this trade.[/QUOTE]


Big time. Sweat isn’t worth a pick in the 30s


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Sounds like the plan was to end the day with Chase traded away for whatever they could get for him. I thought he was on the rise, getting better each week, but maybe that's the fan in me. Coming off that injury there was probably enough doubt that they decided to cut their losses today. I was hoping to get more for him, but obviously the market wasn't there, so he probably wasn't worth more. Oh well. Better to have a 3rd in 2024 than hope for a 3rd in 2025.

From all the reporting from various outlets I get the feeling that they didn't expect to get such a great offer for Sweat, and when they did, it was too much to turn down. A pick in the top half of the 2nd is a really good trade.

When you combine the results of the two trades, I guess I'm fine with the overall haul. With five picks in the first three rounds, we should be able to fill some holes with legit players - if we have people who know what TF they are doing.

Funny thing is I don't even look at today as throwing in the towel like some of you. This defense is ranked in the bottom 5. There's not much lower they can go. Maybe some new, young blood in the lineup will make a difference. If not, then we'll probably just be as good a team over the next 9 games as we have been over the first 8.

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I don't at all see it as throwing in the towel. I feel like Ron ripped the towel in half tho, and threw the first half in by not going for 2 in philly.

But yea acquiring picks for these 2 doesn't wave a white flag for me at all given the state of this D unit. I hope the players feel the same and this, if anything, serves as a wake up call.

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Sweat's jersey will cost less after this trade.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1350822]Sounds like the plan was to end the day with Chase traded away for whatever they could get for him. I thought he was on the rise, getting better each week, but maybe that's the fan in me. Coming off that injury there was probably enough doubt that they decided to cut their losses today. I was hoping to get more for him, but obviously the market wasn't there, so he probably wasn't worth more. Oh well. Better to have a 3rd in 2024 than hope for a 3rd in 2025.

From all the reporting from various outlets I get the feeling that they didn't expect to get such a great offer for Sweat, and when they did, it was too much to turn down. A pick in the top half of the 2nd is a really good trade.

When you combine the results of the two trades, I guess I'm fine with the overall haul. With five picks in the first three rounds, we should be able to fill some holes with legit players - if we have people who know what TF they are doing.

Funny thing is I don't even look at today as throwing in the towel like some of you. This defense is ranked in the bottom 5. There's not much lower they can go. Maybe some new, young blood in the lineup will make a difference. If not, then we'll probably just be as good a team over the next 9 games as we have been over the first 8.[/quote]

First two paragraphs - we are riding on the same wave Chief. That is my perception of both trades as well. They locked in the third for Chase next year knowing that getting it now allows flexibility to pursue options in FA and still get something worthwhile for him knowing he was most likely going to walk because they weren't comfortable paying.

Anyways I just came in here to share this:

Montez says goodbye to DC - it's all love from him. Thanks for the good 4+ years Tez. Wishing him luck in Chicago except when he plays us.

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Big deal, makes me feel better about the trade

[quote]
Ian Rapoport

New #Bears edge Montez Sweat has agreed to a massive 4-year extension, worth $98,000,000 in new money (24.5m apy). Getting $72,865,360 guaranteed. Deal done by @KlutchSports Damarius Bilbo & Kelton Crenshaw. Total deal is $105m.
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[quote=EdmundDorf;1351036]Big deal, makes me feel better about the trade[/quote]

Makes me feel MUCH better! Damn!

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1351036]Big deal, makes me feel better about the trade[/quote]

Good for him, he earned it.

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Sweat getting paid is the only way the trade remotely made sense for the Bears. Sweat is a good football player and a great dude. I'm happy for him, and I have nothing against the Bears. I hope both teams benefit from this trade.

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LOL. Bears are fucking idiots. Their GM is a complete moron. Sweat not even remotely close to worth that contract. Just driving up the price for guys who are.

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I mean, we could get the 3rd and turn around and still sign young in FA (if this were madden). I don't think that's a great idea (100% depends on the contract $$), and I don't think players that get their option year turned down and then get shipped off for a comp pick would feel super inclined (unless it was a lot more money).

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sweat trade was a 10/10 though (I think the young trade was overall fine too, no guarantee he stays w/o tag or that we'd get a comp pick). Trade down 9 spots for 4.5 years of cheap high-level starting production. I do think he's a good player, not sure on 25m/year though. best of luck!

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[quote=That Guy;1351046]I mean, we could get the 3rd and turn around and still sign young in FA (if this were madden). I don't think that's a great idea (100% depends on the contract $$), and I don't think players that get their option year turned down and then get shipped off for a comp pick would feel super inclined (unless it was a lot more money).[/quote]

I'm pretty sure there is zero intent to sign CY in free agency, should he get there. I believe they intended to trade him for whatever they could get, because they want to cut their losses.

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[quote=That Guy;1351047]sweat trade was a 10/10 though (I think the young trade was overall fine too, no guarantee he stays w/o tag or that we'd get a comp pick). Trade down 9 spots for 4.5 years of cheap high-level starting production. I do think he's a good player, not sure on 25m/year though. best of luck![/quote]

Sweat's contract is pretty rich. I'm happy for him, but I agree, I would not have wanted us to dole that $$ out for him.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1351049]Sweat's contract is pretty rich. I'm happy for him, but I agree, I would not have wanted us to dole that $$ out for him.[/quote]

The bears spending that money on him considering their current state would be if you had a Honda civic with a blown motor and only a grand in the bank; you decide to take that grand and buy really fancy rims for your civic; still doesn't run but damn it looks good; stupid

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A bit of a transcript from Chase's press conference. Made me chuckle. I know some of y'all will get your panties in a bunch about his comments so don't disappoint me.

[url]https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/1721660700748091755?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1721660700748091755%7Ctwgr%5E61b3aa716c7ee1fd2f9757a62d32d72ea317726a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2023%2F11%2F7%2F23948395%2Fall-atwitter-7-november-2023-chase-young-shade-the-vibe-is-different-im-in-a-building-with-winners[/url]

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Chase who?

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Chase Deez